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Did "School Days" gave you a lesson in near end?
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Yes, it taught me that a boat is the perfect means of escape from the police, and the ideal spot to cradle the head of your dead lover.....Heh...just kidding....

What I really learned from watching this is that the end of an Anime can actually give me nightmares......
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i learned that the best way to see if you're pregnant or not is to cut open your stomach and check.
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Learning morality from anime is like learning history from the simpsons. Come on people, read a book.


Don't be so hasty to dismiss anime as an art form that seeks only to appeal to it's audience. Sure, we have our contrived ecchi harems and hotblooded shonen anime, but there are several other animes that seek to educate along with their primary goal of entertaining the audience. Even early magical girl anime taught us perhaps the most visceral of themes in media; the power of friendship. And as we slowly work up the ladder of complexity in the anime world, we get series like School Days and Katanagatari, to name a few, which teach us lessons in life.
And besides, there are heaps of books out there that don't give a damn about morality and only seek to entertain. You can't possibly generalise both of these media forms.


Allright, read Kant, Nietche, Ayn Rand even.

heck read Albert Speer or Hans Hohn.

Serious original authors are who meant when I said read a book, sorry if you think harlequin romance or even my favourite sci fiction counts as the same artform.


Those books, and others like them will teach more about morality than the most powerfully moral anime. Perhaps there are lessons that anime can teach. Perhaps some anime authors are philosophers themselves (The author of Black Lagoon puts the words of Jean Paul Sartre in a lot of his characters lips) The problem I have is the likely result of "oh I learned a moral. Mission Accomplished"

I will make one specific comparison. The Count of Monte Cristo. a fantastic book that was considered cheap tripe in its time. There was an anime made of it. Watch the anime BEFORE you read the book. The anime will blow you away. After reading Dumas' original work all you notice about the anime is how modern 'artists' made things lame by messing with Dumas' work. Almost everything cool and wow, conceptually came from pen of the 17th century author not those who would 'improve' upon him.

I'm not saying anime is bad. I'm an anime fan.

I am saying DO NOT rely on it for history or morality. Read a book. A REAL book.


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papagolfwhiskey wrote:


FalseFallacy wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Learning morality from anime is like learning history from the simpsons. Come on people, read a book.


Don't be so hasty to dismiss anime as an art form that seeks only to appeal to it's audience. Sure, we have our contrived ecchi harems and hotblooded shonen anime, but there are several other animes that seek to educate along with their primary goal of entertaining the audience. Even early magical girl anime taught us perhaps the most visceral of themes in media; the power of friendship. And as we slowly work up the ladder of complexity in the anime world, we get series like School Days and Katanagatari, to name a few, which teach us lessons in life.
And besides, there are heaps of books out there that don't give a damn about morality and only seek to entertain. You can't possibly generalise both of these media forms.


Allright, read Kant, Nietche, Ayn Rand even.

heck read Albert Speer or Hans Hohn.

Serious original authors are who meant when I said read a book, sorry if you think harlequin romance or even my favourite sci fiction counts as the same artform.


Those books, and others like them will teach more about morality than the most powerfully moral anime. Perhaps there are lessons that anime can teach. Perhaps some anime authors are philosophers themselves (The author of Black Lagoon puts the words of Jean Paul Sartre in a lot of his characters lips) The problem I have is the likely result of "oh I learned a moral. Mission Accomplished"

I will make one specific comparison. The Count of Monte Cristo. a fantastic book that was considered cheap tripe in its time. There was an anime made of it. Watch the anime BEFORE you read the book. The anime will blow you away. After reading Dumas' original work all you notice about the anime is how modern 'artists' made things lame by messing with Dumas' work. Almost everything cool and wow, conceptually came from pen of the 17th century author not those who would 'improve' upon him.

I'm not saying anime is bad. I'm an anime fan.

I am saying DO NOT rely on it for history or morality. Read a book. A REAL book.




Is it possible for your argument to even be valid, by the points you just listed? Books refer to words on pages, binded together to create some meaning. How can you just list off several philosophical texts and say that they wholey represent the moral principles and structures of all the books in the world? Sadly, there is no definition of a REAL book by general consensus.
You cannot seperate philosphical writing from other writing like that, and call it a different artform. You can only dichotomise writing and split into different genres, in which philosiphical text is one. I have no qualms with that. I agree wholeheartedly with you, that this genre of writing provides greater moralistic teachings than any anime.
As for your comparison, the Count of Monte Cristo as an anime only stunned me visually. Gankutsuo wasn't even an adaption, it was a reimagining, so there was little chance that the themes would follow through. For crying out loud, it was set in the 51st century. Romeo x Juliet is a similar example of Japan's dismissal's of classical content; they utterly butchered Mercutio, one of my favourite characters,
Incidentally, the work from Kant that I've read before was translated rather poorly in my opinion; the text seemed both stilted and overly pompous. Anything you would recommend, other than Critique of Pure Reason?


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Is it possible for your argument to even be valid, by the points you just listed? Books refer to words on pages, binded together to create some meaning. How can you just list off several philosophical texts and say that they wholey represent the moral principles and structures of all the books in the world? Sadly, there is no definition of a REAL book by general consensus.
You cannot seperate philosphical writing from other writing like that, and call it a different artform. You can only dichotomise writing and split into different genres, in which philosiphical text is one. I have no qualms with that. I agree wholeheartedly with you, that this genre of writing provides greater moralistic teachings than any anime.
As for your comparison, the Count of Monte Cristo as an anime only stunned me visually. Gankutsuo wasn't even an adaption, it was a reimagining, so there was little chance that the themes would follow through. For crying out loud, it was set in the 51st century. Romeo x Juliet is a similar example of Japan's dismissal's of classical content; they utterly butchered Mercutio, one of my favourite characters,
Incidentally, the work from Kant that I've read before was translated rather poorly in my opinion; the text seemed both stilted and overly pompous. Anything you would recommend, other than Critique of Pure Reason?




And anime is a distinct art form from.. Cartoons? Movies? TV? they are images and sound on a screen.

I wouldn't reccomend deriving your morality or your sense of history from Babylon 5 either. No matter how much fun it is.

And I didn't just reccomend philosophical writings. Albert Speer's "Inside the Third Reich" I think is a very worthwile and none too easy read. Patton's "war as I saw it" will give you a much better insight into the man than George C. Scott's protrayal of him ever could.

And that's my point. Don't rely on the boob tube to give you your insights.

(ps Re: gankusuo. the imagery in the anime was impressive. but what lingered in my mind and compelled my emotions were the characters and the conflict. and I tell you, the best of that was PURE Dumas)

(pps I probably shouldn't have brought up Dumas, and said read non-fiction. Novels are fun and all but... anyhow. defend anime all you like it's froth. Enjoyable compelling, even addictive froth. but froth all the same compared to any of a number of good books.)

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A quick glance through these posts and the comments for the last ep of the series here suggests that the majority of people 'learned' that a broken heart justifies murder. (ie Makoto and Sekai deserved to die)

I'm sure there's a lot of men doing federal time for the murder of their spouses who would agree with this majority opinion. Sadly, most judicial systems seem to think otherwise. why is that?
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I got scared of boys for a while after watching School Days.
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why would you be scared of BOYS? The ones with all the knives were girls.

Posted 7/23/11
I've learned that sex with 2D women may be as scary as with 3D women.

I'd like to join the book conversation but I have nothing to contribute besides common known stuff.
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Don't cheat on your girlfriend
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:


FalseFallacy wrote:


And anime is a distinct art form from.. Cartoons? Movies? TV? they are images and sound on a screen.

I wouldn't reccomend deriving your morality or your sense of history from Babylon 5 either. No matter how much fun it is.

And I didn't just reccomend philosophical writings. Albert Speer's "Inside the Third Reich" I think is a very worthwile and none too easy read. Patton's "war as I saw it" will give you a much better insight into the man than George C. Scott's protrayal of him ever could.

And that's my point. Don't rely on the boob tube to give you your insights.

(ps Re: gankusuo. the imagery in the anime was impressive. but what lingered in my mind and compelled my emotions were the characters and the conflict. and I tell you, the best of that was PURE Dumas)

(pps I probably shouldn't have brought up Dumas, and said read non-fiction. Novels are fun and all but... anyhow. defend anime all you like it's froth. Enjoyable compelling, even addictive froth. but froth all the same compared to any of a number of good books.)





Anime is a distinct art form from television and movies simply because it's animation. Furthermore, most people are under the impression that the main difference between Anime and Cartoons is that one comes from Japan. Nevertheless, as much as this method of classification raises eyebrows (Japan has produced several animations that bear no link to what we see as anime today) it is certainly a distinction.
I don't derive morality from Babylon 5, though I have seen a few of my friends get their relationship advice from How I Met Your Mother. That's definitely fun to watch.
I can't exactly debate here, seeing as I agree with your argument, now that it's been clarified. I haven't read Albert Speer's memoirs nor have I even heard of War As I Saw It, but I believe you've got at least twenty years on me, in terms of potential reading time.

...This turned out quite off-topic.
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Anime is a distinct art form from television and movies simply because it's animation. Furthermore, most people are under the impression that the main difference between Anime and Cartoons is that one comes from Japan. Nevertheless, as much as this method of classification raises eyebrows (Japan has produced several animations that bear no link to what we see as anime today) it is certainly a distinction.
I don't derive morality from Babylon 5, though I have seen a few of my friends get their relationship advice from How I Met Your Mother. That's definitely fun to watch.
I can't exactly debate here, seeing as I agree with your argument, now that it's been clarified. I haven't read Albert Speer's memoirs nor have I even heard of War As I Saw It, but I believe you've got at least twenty years on me, in terms of potential reading time.

...This turned out quite off-topic.

I suppose so... it just frustrates me when people talk about 'learning something' from a source barely able to teach the basics their parents and kindergarten should have taught them.

Also I'd argue, this particular anime, didn't teach anyone anything worth knowing. judging from the responses. as I said earlier. its seems 60% of the respondants to this thread and the commentators to the last episode aired here on crunchyroll , Learned:

"A broken heart Justifies multiple murder."

A least that's what all the "Makoto and Sekai deserved to die" posts are saying to me. And that's a lesson most judicial systems would cringe at having their citizens learn.

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To be just honest about one's relationship.
Be decent in whatever you do!
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Bitches be crazy.
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Teenage hormones running amok can lead to serious problems and issues..
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Men should never cheat on women lest we go batshit on your ass?

..........really, you men should've already known that.
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