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The sad past and future of the Native Americans
Posted 7/23/08

thenatureofthings wrote:

It's in the past~ and even though I'm part Cherokee myself I do not like pity parties from any race of people if the situation happened more then a couple generations ago :\


Sorry, I actually didn't mean to make it sound like a pity party, I just think that even if it's in the past, and honestly it's not that far in the past, till the 90s it was still a problem in Canada, etc. Well, I guess you know your history, all I want is that people don't forget the past and learn from the past, as it is a good way of how to refrain from doing any similar mistakes ever again.


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isn't the standard of living better since the whites went to america? o0


What do you mean by life standard? Maybe, before the Europeans came, they were actually happy with their modest way of life. A better life standard doesn't automatically mean that people are happier. I know that a lot of them feel like they have lost their identity, etc. I doubt that this is a nice feeling.

i didnt really want to read that big paragraph sinec im busy, but is there any mention about the bad things they did? killing, canibalism, torturing people? there were good indians and bad ones. to be honest i dont care much, every race has gone through a terrible time, the indians, then african americans, and now whites. oh and the jews before as well. and the germans. the list goes on


The bad things THEY did? But at least they didn't intrude into someone else's country, and start to kill off their animals, steal their resources etc.
It's called defending your territory against intruders, there is nothing wrong with that.

Besides that, you've mentioned the Germans in your list, like wtf....it's the Germans who caused all the Nazi shit, for what are you pitying them?


Posted 7/23/08

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thenatureofthings wrote:

It's in the past~ and even though I'm part Cherokee myself I do not like pity parties from any race of people if the situation happened more then a couple generations ago :\


Sorry, I actually didn't mean to make it sound like a pity party, I just think that even if it's in the past, and honestly it's not that far in the past, till the 90s it was still a problem in Canada, etc. Well, I guess you know your history, all I want is that people don't forget the past and learn from the past, as it is a good way of how to refrain from doing any similar mistakes ever again.



I've never forgotten. But I do realize that even before the Europeans came here the Native Americans were fighting with eachother over land for thousands of years. Nations conquer other nations and have been since the beginning of time.

Although, what pains me that a whole race of people were nearly driven to extinction during the actualization of this country :\
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Posted 7/23/08 , edited 7/23/08
The cynicism of frequent abuse with fatalism towards their culture, with that in mind we have become a heretical evasive society based on our wants.When it comes to the longevity of our Canadian eduacation for native Americans theirs no comprise of a modernistic eduacation or facilitation in terms of teachers, faculty etc.
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Posted 7/23/08

KinkyHamster wrote:

isn't the standard of living better since the whites went to america? o0


no. only 5% of the population in US have about 95% of the money. not really good. the standard of living went up but not better.
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Posted 7/23/08 , edited 7/23/08
It really is sad what happens to the Native Americans. I am part Native American and I have heard about what my great grandma had to go through. She was forced to live on a reservation, she fell in love with a white man and they got married. Some people accepted it, but others didn't like it in society. Now, we see the poverty that the Native Americans endure on reservations, how they are forgotten, and how they were abused. What I don't like, is that we have a black history month that mainly focuses on time between the early 1800's and up to the 1960's when segregation ended. I don't mean to be offensive, but we spend a whole month as a nation learning about George Washington Carver and Harriet Tubman (two great people of history) every year. I am not saying that these people aren't worth learning about, but that's usually all we hear about during Black History month. It only covers about 160 years of history. I think we should have a Native American history month. Us Americans hardly know anything about the Native Americans, we hardly know about what America was like prior to European colonization. There are thousands of years of history that we just leave out of the text books. It isn't right! As a whole, I think the United States should stop ignoring the Native Americans and their history. Why do we do it? Because no one likes to face an ugly past or admit that we did wrong. As a society, we need to make things right and stop focusing on what we have already corrected.
Posted 7/24/08

thenatureofthings wrote:


MidnightZorya wrote:


thenatureofthings wrote:

It's in the past~ and even though I'm part Cherokee myself I do not like pity parties from any race of people if the situation happened more then a couple generations ago :\


Sorry, I actually didn't mean to make it sound like a pity party, I just think that even if it's in the past, and honestly it's not that far in the past, till the 90s it was still a problem in Canada, etc. Well, I guess you know your history, all I want is that people don't forget the past and learn from the past, as it is a good way of how to refrain from doing any similar mistakes ever again.



I've never forgotten. But I do realize that even before the Europeans came here the Native Americans were fighting with eachother over land for thousands of years. Nations conquer other nations and have been since the beginning of time.

Although, what pains me that a whole race of people were nearly driven to extinction during the actualization of this country :\


Well, I won't deny the first part of your post at all, people always fought with each others, no matter what race, but I doubt that the Native Americans were killing the buffalos to such an extent, where they would all die out. I'd say that most of the Indian tribes were more or less even, when it came to the use of weapon, while the Europeans came with guns, etc. Pretty much merciless, the Europeans considered the Native Americans as animals, or even worse. =/

Yeah, it's really a sad thing what happened. But the sad part isn't only about the past of what was happening in America, I am more thinking about the actual time and how it was like 50 years ago or less. I mean, after almost driving a whole nation to extinction, they would still act unfriendly to them, handling them as someone who is not important. They stole the children of the Native Americans to put them into internats where they should get converted into Christians and where they had to learn that their culture is barbaric and not worth their time, etc. I mean shit, this things are still happening. The government says though that this is due to the addiction of most Native American parents, which makes them unable to take care of their children, but hell, why are they consuming alcohol in such an high amount? It's because they lost their identity, their faith, and they want to forget about what is happening around them, what happened to them in the past, the bad foster parents they had, some had luck and had nice foster parents...etc. and obviously alcohol helps them, I mean yeah, instead of helping those parents to get rid of their addiction and problems they just say that if they give their kids away it's all good, since they would take care of it, I doubt that this is a good solution. And besides that, the governments should really give them more land, so that they can practice their old traditions on a more wide landscape, I mean yeah it's really a huge cultural loss for humanity if this things would die out as well. Even though I don't mean to say that the younger generation should be forced to practice what their grand grand parents used to do. But for the ones who want to, it would be a nice thing.

Well, I guess I don't have much to say about this, since I didn't have to go through this.... nor did my ancestors...=/ I guess it's quite a harsh fate

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Posted 7/24/08
learn enough about this in social studies class...
Posted 12/6/08
and a valuable thread like this gets drown in the sink filled with crappy twilight, faggotery threads...

so sad.
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Posted 12/6/08

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and a valuable thread like this gets drown in the sink filled with crappy twilight, faggotery threads...

so sad.


are you saying this because you're the OP of this thread?
Posted 12/6/08

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ShroomInferno wrote:

and a valuable thread like this gets drown in the sink filled with crappy twilight, faggotery threads...

so sad.


are you saying this because you're the OP of this thread?


i say that always...but yes, i am being biased here. it's my creation after all. >_>
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Posted 12/6/08
i heard there only 160 000 of them left (thats full blooded ones) most of the others are mixed and u cant tell. hope their numbers grow. though i fear for them and the Australian aborigines.
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very sad story...
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