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Who do you hate the most?
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I really don't hate any chracter. I think they're all great in the series. ^^
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Seista~~ like urrgh keep using her boobs and stuffs...
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i lovE louise since she's kinda like mE.
i hatE siesta.!shes just too much!!and hello!arent saito and louise kinda like marriEd.!?

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lols.. what is with all those masochism and S &M taks? though i seriously think that Saito is nt a masochist...(nt confirmed anyways..) and are those evidences based on the anime? if so, i dun think it is reliable though. In the novel one could see that saito really hates those beatings and it was even stated that the reason that he stayed with louise despite the fact that she is a brat was due to his obligations as a familiar. After having Tiffania removed those false motives, he did tell Derflinger how he hates louise to the core but this time decided to save her with the reason that his heart races whenever he looks at her. therefore, i really could not belive he likes all those whipping and stuff..
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TakeruKazuya wrote:

lols.. what is with all those masochism and S &M taks? though i seriously think that Saito is nt a masochist...(nt confirmed anyways..) and are those evidences based on the anime? if so, i dun think it is reliable though. In the novel one could see that saito really hates those beatings and it was even stated that the reason that he stayed with louise despite the fact that she is a brat was due to his obligations as a familiar. After having Tiffania removed those false motives, he did tell Derflinger how he hates louise to the core but this time decided to save her with the reason that his heart races whenever he looks at her. therefore, i really could not belive he likes all those whipping and stuff..


thanks you, you are so right, some people cant see and are just too blind to notice..
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TakeruKazuya wrote:

lols.. what is with all those masochism and S &M taks? though i seriously think that Saito is nt a masochist...(nt confirmed anyways..) and are those evidences based on the anime? if so, i dun think it is reliable though. In the novel one could see that saito really hates those beatings and it was even stated that the reason that he stayed with louise despite the fact that she is a brat was due to his obligations as a familiar. After having Tiffania removed those false motives, he did tell Derflinger how he hates louise to the core but this time decided to save her with the reason that his heart races whenever he looks at her. therefore, i really could not belive he likes all those whipping and stuff..


We haven't seen that happening in the anime. And it's funny that he stay with her as an obligation as it is not noticeable in the anime....He could have flown off between the two moon and returned to his planet....Besides who kissed and be jealous of somebody they hate...?
And they have been kissing in the past few episodes.......It seems like that the novel differs a lot from the anime....

Until the anime reaches that stage of the novel, we can make our assumptions....
I just hoped you are not making this up...
If the novel really moves in that direction perhaps you have a point....I am not the author...so I make assumption based on what I see....and both of them really go in that direction....almost each episode contains constant whipping and humiliation....so the connection with the sadism, machoism and S&M....

But Louise really is a sadist....I just can't see her in a different light....
Saito status as machoism however is still "questionable"...if the novels move in that way...like expresing his hate to Derflinger in the coming episode...cause we have never seen him expressing his hatred about Louise to whatsoever in the anime...He just gets annoyed with her when she thinks she is right or totally ignorant of the situation....


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thanks you, you are so right, some people cant are just too blind to notice..


Sigh...At least I justify my answers more concretely than you...what nice way to escape an argument...latching onto other people more solid idea....At least somebody seen the novel and might be relevant....


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I Agree Wit sasukesrg
All Louise Does Is String Saito Along >.> At Times shes all lovey-dovey but when it comes time to say her feelings or show them she just beats and whips Saito
I Dont Hate Louise Becuz its more of saito's doing by being a sexual deviant who enjoys being beatin But I Just wish She Wud be Nicer And Less of a bitch to Saito
Althought Louise Changing And Saito choosing Siesta Seem Impossible
I Still Support SaitoxSiesta
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sasukesrg wrote:

Read what, your answers are so short and unjustified, what is there to read...?.-_-
Just because it is an anime?
They know each other best? Henrietta and Saito won't end up together because of common sense?

Henrietta is same like all the other girls out there...She is not UNIQUE. That makes her an unlikely candidate for Saito. Saito is a UNIQUE guy in that world with extreme obsession with breast. The other guys in the world doesn't really stand out. Louise on the other stands out from the rest of the girls because she always beating the crap out of Saito while the other girls often shown him tenderness....Louise is UNIQUE in a sense.
Two UNIQUE people, a perfect connection...
One who likes to get beaten to be acknowledge whether he is loved....
One who like to beat the shit out of people....out of love...


The anime reason...AGAIN?


It being an anime is a very valid reason, They made it to be easily enjoyed by people not so you have to figure things on your own, if they had S&M in this then their would be solid evidence that everyone would notice, You thinking of this anime as reality a little too much...


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Getting beaten is like an acknowledgment of Louise love for him and he want to reconfirm it by getting beaten...


Read this statement properly...There are many people that vowed for attention and wants people to confirm their existence....Maybe you don't need anybody to confirm your existences....but there are people who do...
It might be love, work or anything for the matter. Example, when your father doesn't ever scold you anymore...it might be a good thing but it might also means he has lost interest in you and no longer care for you to even bother scolding you....That is a more scarier thought.


In Saito's case, if one day, Louise doesn't ever beat him anymore, he will feel insecurity and feels that she no longer loves him to care anymore.

The beatings signify the bond they share with each other.And when it stops, so is their relationship...Thats why he want her old self back in that episode. He can't stand the thought Louise will not beat him in that state of mind....

An insult to the real Louise? Isn't saying Louise is a sadist a greater insult to you? Come one, who beats anybody that much compared to Louise? That is one obvious sign of sadism...even if you perceived it as a "mild one". Saito on the other hand receives, way a lot of beatings to be not considered a masochist....even if you perceived it as a "mild one"

How do you know that is the "real Louise"? Just because she happens to exhibit it more often?
Many people wear masks in this REAL world. What makes you think that it doesn't apply to anime?
Who knows which is their true self...?

Maybe she is just putting a facade all this while...the potion let her true self out.....that deep down inside she is kind and loving and "normally" jealous girl...


First off all it never shows any evidence to back up your idea that Saito getting beaten up is like an acknowledgment of Louise love for him, if they did import this idea into the anime we would at least would of gotten an idea about it.

The type of harsh beatings Louise gives out happens in so many other anime and other cartoons, which are meant to exaggerate a lot. If we think of anime as reality like you do, then how come we see no scars on Saito??? yes thats right its an anime beatings like this aren't meant to give us thought of sadism but give us a laugh.

Yes we know that isnt her real self because we all saw her drink the damn potion. Acting like that was very irregular, and it was obvious she was acting different. Their was side effects to the potion and we never heard it say "May let true self out". If that was her true self then we would know about it.


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Saito, despite the many things he did for her...even to the point of not returning home....why?
Maybe girls back at home were never that kind of sadist...lol...He could only use S&M books in Akibahara but here, he gets the real deal....lol.....^_^


Or maybe he doesn't want to go home or else the boogie man will eat him. Random guessing is fun ^^


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It is a cliche, huh? Hard to explain? Maybe you can't explain?
What a simple answer...cliche....I know of this cliche but I don't use it justify my answers....Haven't seen enough ecchi anime? You don't want to go there...seriously...I seen things darker than black....


Using a cliche was evidence that this sort of thing happens a lot in anime. Trying to run away from my response by calling it a short answer, seems like you cant support your crazy theory.


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I am not referring to other "similiar" anime....I have seen similiar "cliche" like you earlier said....I have never said anyone who gets whipped/beaten badly refers to S&M....
This anime gives one the impression their relationship is purely sexual sadism and machoism...
Ignorant? I don't want to go there...

This anime makes it look like their relationship is purely based on beatings.....tell me what things they do together to get to know each other better and share a connection...
Gardening, going to the movies?

As far I can see, it is the beatings....

Weak evidence....? At least there are some "evidence"
Your answers are even weaker without "evidence"

Last but not least, no matter what I say, the winner will never be justified....if there is one based on how this argument is going....


wow purely sexual sadism and machoism if that were true every interaction we see would be him getting smacked for no reason and we'd see him liking it, which would very odd and disturbing..

If the only reason you see them together is because of the beatings i suggest you watch the series again. We see them get to know each other better and share a connection though every episode. Saito gets to know her personality, her family and her feelings though out the story theirs a lot more to the relation ship then just beatings...Their always together ,it doesn't mean they have to go to the movies or gardening to strengthen their connection.

I take that weak evidence statement back, their is NO evidence only your guesses that the anime has shown nothing about.

and I don't think their will be winner since your idea cant be proven completely wrong or right when the anime isnt finished.


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Sigh...At least I justify my answers more concretely than you...what nice way to escape an argument...latching onto other people more solid idea....At least somebody seen the novel and might be relevant....


Lol you call your wild guesses "concrete" and no i wasn't "escaping an argument" im just quoting how right he was and i thought i'd thank him for supplying some evidence. (which pretty much put the final nail in your coffin :P)




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touché ^
rofl Saito is no masochist, the novels pretty much show he hates getting hurt, and the anime is based on the novels. I dont think they will stray from them that much
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Killer_B wrote:

Lol you call your wild guesses "concrete" and no i wasn't "escaping an argument" im just quoting how right he was and i thought i'd thank him for supplying some evidence. (which pretty much put the final nail in your coffin :P


Evidence that are yet to be materialized....as far in the anime...
The nail hasn't been put yet...cause the anime hasn't reach that part of the novel TakeruKazuya claimed....like expresing his hate to Derflinger in the coming episode....cause we have never seen him expressing his hatred about Louise to whatsoever in the anime yet...All we do see is seeing them make-up and kissing and having a lttle private in the boat....No sign of hatred of Louise as of yet or any clear indication that he dislikes the beating....Until he says stop to the beating or tell a third party (Derflinger) how he hates louise to the core...Saito status as machoism however is still "questionable"

If he really hates hate getting hurt, he should be angry or a tells a third party how he really hate the "beatings"
Not just keeping to yourself and accepting the beating like you loved it...when you loved something you don't complain....when you don't like something, you complained....so far he has no complained whatsoever in the anime...


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touché ^
rofl Saito is no masochist, the novels pretty much show he hates getting hurt, and the anime is based on the novels. I dont think they will stray from them that much


But Louise really is a sadist....I just can't see her in a different light....
Saito status as machoism however is still "questionable"...if the novels move in that way....like TakeruKazuya claimed....until it has been confirmed whether the anime does not differ too much from the novel....

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The nail hasn't been put yet...cause the anime hasn't reach that part of the novel TakeruKazuya claimed....like expresing his hate to Derflinger in the coming episode....cause we have never seen him expressing his hatred about Louise to whatsoever in the anime yet...He just gets annoyed with her when she thinks she is right or totally ignorant of the situation....^_^


Ok i guess theres no point to continue our pointless argument when the story is still going, sorry for if i offended you wtih some of my comments, I got a little carried away

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no! more people hate siesta than louise! and siesta is like a slut, she KNOWs saito and louise have something yet she tries her best to ruin it with her BOOBs

although I do agree that louise is a bit of a brat, short tempered, rash, impulsive, judgamental (that you how you spell it?) and ETC but that just makes her CUTE!


The only reason it makes her CUTE, is because you AREN'T, Saito. Would you like dealing with a little brat that you could easily kill? That you're stronger? Then they act all selfish. Like you're cheating on them. And then when you marry them, they act even more bishy? By the way, louise was more hated "so far". Like I said. ._.


And I was trying to say more people out there hate Siesta more than Louise, sorry if that came out wrong. But Saito was the one who chose Louise over Siesta or anyone else in season 1, at the end of season 2 he even gave his life for her. Nobody forced him, he made that choice all on his own, just like marrying her or not will also be his choice. Besides in season 2 didn't they try to get married? That would make Siesta a homewrecker.
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I really don't like people like Siesta. >_>
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ADelusionalThing wrote:

And I was trying to say more people out there hate Siesta more than Louise, sorry if that came out wrong. But Saito was the one who chose Louise over Siesta or anyone else in season 1, at the end of season 2 he even gave his life for her. Nobody forced him, he made that choice all on his own, just like marrying her or not will also be his choice. Besides in season 2 didn't they try to get married? That would make Siesta a homewrecker.


That was just a a last act by Saito to save her life...it wasn't really considered a marriage....due to the circumstances at that time.....Louise thought she was going to die and therefore wants to experienced getting married first hand....Saito decided to grant it and thought of a way to help her escape her impending doom by drugging her...

Yes, he indeed love her to go along with the marriage plan....but seeing as an opportunity to save her....and taking her place to delay the attack....
Therefore, they are not "officially married"...and Seista is not a "homewrecker" of yet....
So, Seista can still pursue her love....and which guy doesn't like the attention... lol?
As far I can see the girls don't like the attention the main character Saito is getting...and Seista is one of the characters who really like Saito and openly showed her affection for him....than any other girls out there in the anime....
Kirche, Henrietta, and Tiffania also like Saito but not openly showing their affection for him as much as Seista making Seista the more hated one...It is later known that Tabitha later shows her affection for Saito.
Will Tabitha be the next hated one?
Lol....

At least Seista is truthful to herself...unlike "some other that starts with the letter L"
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That was just a a last act by Saito to save her life...it wasn't really considered a marriage....due to the circumstances at that time.....Louise thought she was going to die and therefore wants to experienced getting married first hand....Saito decided to grant it and thought of a way to help her escape her impending doom by drugging her...

Yes, he indeed love her to go along with the marriage plan....but seeing as an opportunity to save her....and taking her place to delay the attack....
Therefore, they are not "officially married"...and Seista is not a "homewrecker" of yet....
So, Seista can still pursue her love....and which guy doesn't like the attention... lol?
As far I can see the girls don't like the attention the main character Saito is getting...and Seista is one of the characters who really like Saito and openly showed her affection for him....than any other girls out there in the anime....
Kirche, Henrietta, and Tiffania also like Saito but not openly showing their affection for him as much as Seista making Seista the more hated one...It is later known that Tabitha later shows her affection for Saito.
Will Tabitha be the next hated one?
Lol....

At least Seista is truthful to herself...unlike "some other that starts with the letter L"
: p



Well you're right about the marriage thing and Siesta isn't a homewrecker YET, but she has the qualities. There's nothing wrong with pursuing the guy you love but Siesta is going after a guy with a girlfriend, a guy who is NOT single. It's fine that many people like Saito since he has many good qualities like caring for other people, willing to protect those important to him, honest, goodlooking (?) and naturally he would enjoy the attention he's getting, but Siesta is taking things a little far. Tabitha's friend with the red hair also flirts with Saito and she even rubs her boobs against him but that's just harmless fun and her personality. On the other hand Siesta is serious about wrecking the realtionship between Saito and Louise because she decided she loves him. At first it was becasue Saito isn't Louise's familiar anymore but she hasn't stopped even though his contract got renewed did she? And no I don't Tabitha will be hated next simply because she isn't a bitch and I don't think she would actively try to destroy Saito and Louise's relationship.
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