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I've been contemplating what topic to write for Born Again, there are simply so many things to share since I've taken a break a while ago from this group. Alas, I feel the need to mention one of the more fundamental things of growing with God.

We usually believe that being Christian means there are certain things we have to do, like going to church, reading the bible, praise and worship, sharing in care groups, serving the ministry, going to mission trips, pray, ask for forgiveness...

I'll just put it in a short and simple illustration. Imagine you're a child, born into a family. You as a kid spend days wandering around the place, curious, listening, and basically absorbing whatever you can into your senses, because everything is new. You examine the furniture, jump on the beds, open doors, walk and run about. Eventually you're going to want to find someone, a family member, because it's boring, and you have needs.

This kid here doesn't have a check list of things to do, like 1) meet with the house owner 2) plan for neccessities 3) arrange food 4) schedule for the day... and I just want you to know that in God's house there aren't such things either. "But oh, it's somewhere in the bible/my pastor said that we must read the bible daily!" All these things are merely part and parcel of living in the house. If you aren't familiar with the surroundings, you can never get things done, much less understand anything.

Picking up the bible to read alone is pretty much like picking up an oxford dictionary when you're just 4 years old. You have to learn the language first, before you can understand. And someone has to teach you the language. That's why leaders and preachers are ordained, to lead the sheep, followers and impart the teachings of God. The bible is the word of God. But without understanding the importance, there's no way to receive anything from it. The Holy spirit, like our brains, slowly adapt and receive information so we can take real life lessons and learn from it.

More surprising, is this that I am about to tell you. Christianity is not a religion ("YES WE KNOW ALRY") but, it's not about understanding concepts either. It's about the person Jesus. The bible teaches concepts, and ideas that help grow a person into understanding, but what we are learning about, or doing, is unveiling the beauty of Jesus. "What does that mean? Half the book isn't even when Jesus was born!" As you learn slowly, they are all about Jesus.

Sometimes things don't have to spell out the name 'JESUS' for it to be about him. The entire bible is a book, detailing the love story of Jesus. That God was triune, even before earth existed, which means Jesus, Holy Spirit and God were already in existence. The book tells of God being love, and what him being love, created, and all his love creations. Even the small stories about the woman with the issue of blood for 12 years, is about unveiling the person of Jesus, about his love spurring his compassion, and joy at the woman receiving healing.

Like my pastor likes to say, 'Right living does not produce right believing, rather, Right believing produces right living'. . As a kid in God's house, you can't learn from him without knowing Jesus first. "Yeah, but I accept Jesus already." You can be familiar with someone and not know the person on the inside. Jesus goes: "Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks." God's words are from Him. When you know Him, the words no longer are like commands that you have to fulfill.

Today, God tells us that he has torn the veil and we are free to come boldly to him WITH our problems and troubles. There is therefore no condemnation, come freely and constantly, to know him, not for him to deal with your problems. The focus here isn't on your problems, but when you have the Almighty God as your friend, your father, your covenant friend, your problem cower and hide from the Lord! All you have to do, is to go to him always.

"I don't know what to say to God!"
Have you those friends that you quietly trust, you know that not speaking doesn't make the situation awkward? God wants you to be as comfortable with Him. He loves you SO! People often say "we should accept people as they are, because no one is perfect." The one who freely accepts, and man shy away from Him. Don't be conscious of your sins, be conscious of the GREATNESS of the one who stands before you, beckoning. Love is sacrifice. Jesus sacrificed so you can come to God, he fulfilled all of God's commandments, so it's a double guarantee of an everlasting grace covenant!

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fae! youre back! anyway, thanks for this fae... this really helped me... i have been conscious of my sins lately..... and i dont know.... i feel...... i cant go to church cause He might not accept me... i know that He will.... i know that He loves me... its just that... i feel that way........

i dont know....... i dont want to be like this... i feel im so angry all the time.....
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fae! youre back! anyway, thanks for this fae... this really helped me... i have been conscious of my sins lately..... and i dont know.... i feel...... i cant go to church cause He might not accept me... i know that He will.... i know that He loves me... its just that... i feel that way........

i dont know....... i dont want to be like this... i feel im so angry all the time.....


EMM I am and we are praying for you. Would your OniiChan lie......

i feel im so angry all the time


I know that feeling and have been fighting it for 40 years now. But, with the Lords help it is kept away but, any time I am out of touch with the Lord it comes rushing back. Then I have to rush to the Lord protection and I feel so safe....God is GOOD. Imouto your are kawaii young lady. I am and we here at Born Again are praying for you. YOU ARE NOT ALONE>>
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emm0548 wrote:

fae! youre back! anyway, thanks for this fae... this really helped me... i have been conscious of my sins lately..... and i dont know.... i feel...... i cant go to church cause He might not accept me... i know that He will.... i know that He loves me... its just that... i feel that way........

i dont know....... i dont want to be like this... i feel im so angry all the time.....


EMM I am and we are praying for you. Would your OniiChan lie......

i feel im so angry all the time


I know that feeling and have been fighting it for 40 years now. But, with the Lords help it is kept away but, any time I am out of touch with the Lord it comes rushing back. Then I have to rush to the Lord protection and I feel so safe....God is GOOD. Imouto your are kawaii young lady. I am and we here at Born Again are praying for you. YOU ARE NOT ALONE>>


thank you oniisan! i feel great that God gave me friends that will care for me.....

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fae! youre back! anyway, thanks for this fae... this really helped me... i have been conscious of my sins lately..... and i dont know.... i feel...... i cant go to church cause He might not accept me... i know that He will.... i know that He loves me... its just that... i feel that way........

i dont know....... i dont want to be like this... i feel im so angry all the time.....


What do you mean you feel he might not accept you? Do you think that Jesus, a god, so able, so mighty, and so humble, hang on the cross, carrying the world's sins, carrying your diseases, carrying all your pains, stress, unhappiness, carrying all judgement do all that so that you can be ... not sure.. wavering, wondering, wandering. Don't be sure in yourself, be sure in Him! :D

He came, so that you may have LIFE, and have it more abundantly! Your righteousness not because of what you've done, not done, will do, have not do, must do, must not do. It's not even about your qualifications anymore! God put in you Jesus. Every way you turn Jesus, is perfection, beauty and glory! He hides you in himself, that any evil that wants to get you, must go through him. Jesus isn't weak. If we hide in him, his strength becomes ours. Do you know that fleshly weakness are subject UNDER christ? You may think that you've outdone yourself in being so horrible and unchristian-like in behavior, it'll NEVER outdo God's love. And his love is strong. Such that it gives you his authority, His strength, His firmness and His authority that holds down your weaknesses.

If you feel weak in the flesh, look at Jesus and say, as He is in Heaven, so I am in this world, because I am in Him! Don't look at your weak self and say, please, oh if you will please forgive your servant, and pardon my selfishness... No! He made us sons and daughters in Christ, our standing are high priests, who have the right to intimacy, familiarity of God! He freely.. freely gave us according to his riches, the blessings of heaven! If it was written 'he gives us out of his riches', let me tell you, $1 is also out of his riches. But He freely gives you ALL that you may enjoy freely.

With so much blessings you have, don't focus on your lack! If you feel you have no joy, look to the person anoited in the oil of gladness!, if you don't have financial resources, look to the one who has ALL the riches far above anyone has, and it's limitless! If you feel weak in the flesh, look to the one clothes lilies in the field, the one who looks over floods, the skies, the one who tilted the earth so that the earth may not be flooded again, and yet the same one who makes sure birds have food that man do not provide.

He wants you to know that his love for you will NEVER waver. No matter how hard you try, you've been sealed in Christ. You don't need to wash yourself pure and clean before entering. Do you know that in the old days, only the high priests may enter the tabernacle and holy of holies where God is? The high priest was the representative of the entire tribes of Israel. If the high priest is good, the blessings, come. if the high priest is bad, judgement comes, for an entire year. No one else was permitted to enter, not because God doesn't like or want. No one CAN because they cannot see him and be living after that. The nature of God would destroy any fleck of fallen being, and to keep man alive, the sacrifices of lambs, bulls and goats were used. They weren't used as permanent, but temporary measures until Jesus came to be our sacrifice once and for all.

One last thing I need to make clear. Some people feel that solitary is best. Because then oh, we don't be influenced and stuff. Rubbish! Find a good church that focuses on Jesus, and stay there! It is written that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of Jesus. It's not about feeding on God's word. It's about Jesus, Christos, about the one who is the sacrifice, because he is the sacrificial offering for us before God. He is the bread of life, the wine of eternal forgiveness. He says, take eat and do this in remembrance of me. It's not to remember about his life, but also declare his death for you, that you may convince and be sure in the lord of your eternal salvation and ALL blessings entitled to you.

God uses leadership to feed his sheep. You may argue and say that you can do it on your own, but you need constant feeding on Jesus for everyday life. Sometimes, you may feel hungry, a bit dead and unhappy... your spirit is hungry. It needs revelation of Christ Jesus. You need to constantly feed on the word, as unraveled by pastors or preachers who give quality food. The world today is not anti-God, but anti-Christ. Because without Christ, there is no sacrifice, for the devil to be so adament against Jesus tells you that you need to constantly partake of him, talk to him, keep him in your consciousness.

For me, even if I know these things, I also need other people to drill it into me, so that I won't be easily taken over by weakness in the flesh. Humility , and other traits don't come from man, but just by being connected to Christ we can't but be influenced into becoming more christ-like while we wait for his coming. By then, you realise that anger has magically disappeared, it's not even part of your consciousness. But it's a constant thing, keep going to god for daily bread. Not annual, biannual or monthly. It's not contact lenses, it's the bread of life.
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emm0548 wrote:

fae! youre back! anyway, thanks for this fae... this really helped me... i have been conscious of my sins lately..... and i dont know.... i feel...... i cant go to church cause He might not accept me... i know that He will.... i know that He loves me... its just that... i feel that way........

i dont know....... i dont want to be like this... i feel im so angry all the time.....


EMM I am and we are praying for you. Would your OniiChan lie......

i feel im so angry all the time


I know that feeling and have been fighting it for 40 years now. But, with the Lords help it is kept away but, any time I am out of touch with the Lord it comes rushing back. Then I have to rush to the Lord protection and I feel so safe....God is GOOD. Imouto your are kawaii young lady. I am and we here at Born Again are praying for you. YOU ARE NOT ALONE>>


Like my long long post to assure emm, dont' keep looking at your anger, in anticipation it'll come back. I have ba d skin, it's like eczema all over my legs and it gets SO itchy, sometimes I just want my legs to be chopped off. It took me really long, I've been doing all I knew, looking to Jesus, worship, praising the Lord, partaking of the messages, listening to sermons, reading the bible, anoiting oil, holy communion, but all along, I wasn't ready to let go of that itch. In what sense? Everymorning, I'll look with hope at my legs, and they do look better as time passes, but I KNOW my 100 fold healing has already been approved by God, the rashes are no more in the name of Jesus, but the physical manifestation is slow.

If you keep looking at the area you've been problemized (<- lol is that even a word?) by, don't keep looking at it. God knows sight is a weakness of man, that we need to see before we believe. And that's fighting against the flesh; faith. Remember Moses took the bronze serpent, and lifted it up so that all who were bitten by snakes and looked at it were healed? Those who focussed on their wounds died. God knows, and he helps us. The bronze serpent represents Christ on the cross. The pole the snake is on is the tree that Jesus was crucified upon. Look at Jesus's death, his cross upon Golgotha, (the place where David buried Goliath's head, crushing the devil underneath, defeating death), and see your anger vanquished in his body. His work is a finished work. There is therefore now no condemnation.

You have been mentioning 'fighting anger for 40 years now'. Usually when we keep these emotions, it means that there are things that we have not let go of. We don't get angry for nothing, there's always something that keeps that anger within us that rises up fast. It may be bad weather, a person you have had problems with. Sometimes burying things in our hearts is just a way of pilling up for worse anger management. Motivators get people to count to ten before replying when angry. That's just putting it off, postponing the blowup.

If you've given your life to God, let go of everything. Find what it is that has been bugging you. That usually is your area of constant frustration. Is it something about yourself? about someone else? about certain things in life that has already happened? things that had not gone the way you wanted, ratman, let it all go, and you'll find that the point, that the devil has been keeping as a bait to let anger seep into your flesh go away.

Jesus is eternal, he is not there for temporal comfort. Realise that. Ask him to help you find the root cause, take your stand in the name of Jesus, and Jesus has declared us all to be kings and priests, with authority over the devil and fallen traits. Sometimes you have to take authority and put it away once and for all.

I used to be really depresssed all the time, and for years and years, I never realised what it was. Then I found that it was actually loneliness that was keeping me, binding me. I never came around to facing it straight on, with the authority of Jesus. I never addressed it, and it never came up to me clearly as well. Instead, it manifested into other things, like being upset, being selfish, saying things that hurt people, being short tempered. It was caused by this same loneliness, and I never realised it!

Ratman, perhaps there is something else, apart from anger that is triggering this reaction. The Holy Spirit knows exactly what it is, ask him to help you find it, confront it like confronting bad dreams with Jesus, and the darkness will go away, filling the place with light.

Dark cannot exist with light. It is the absence of light.
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wow, everything you said they've been saying at my church.
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wow, everything you said they've been saying at my church.


So you were supprized. The Lord can multi task better than any of us..... :w00t:
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BaKoN92 wrote:

wow, everything you said they've been saying at my church.


So you were supprized. The Lord can multi task better than any of us..... :w00t:


multitask? heh, multi-task nothing. More like omni-task. A true couple's love is a two way street, both of them loving one another. God's love for us is easily taken care of. The question is, is your love for God in the right place? by that I mean, is it present, an absolute love for God? Is there anything that gets in the way of that love? Do you do everything to nurture and strengthen that love between you and God?
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Omni-task ROFL, that is awesome do u mind if i borrow that phrase you coined. Clearwater is very wise, what greater way of showing your love than to die on the cross. There is nothing we can give him in comparison, and as such we would be indebted to Him for life.
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multitask? heh, multi-task nothing. More like omni-task.


omni-task I also like it....


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Omni-task ROFL, that is awesome do u mind if i borrow that phrase you coined. Clearwater is very wise, what greater way of showing your love than to die on the cross. There is nothing we can give him in comparison, and as such we would be indebted to Him for life.


sure, borrow away. I'm not a wise man. I talk good, but when it comes to putting it into practice, I fall short. But it's exactly as you say. Nothing we can do will ever come close to his sacrifice for us.
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(cough)I have already put it into practice (cough), but back to the topic at hand, I would hate to imagine a world without Christ. I love that feeling when I know something is wrong, or that heart felt compassion for another, it would leave me if Christ didn't dwell in us. Gives me chills.
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