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The communism of today.
Posted 7/25/08 , edited 7/25/08
Nineteen Eighty-Four by Goerge Orwell, did you read it? No? Then you should. Did you watch it? No? Then if you didn't read it, then at least watch it.

I've come to see that this world is slowly turning into a place, where complete control is demanded and most important. I would call it the new, better version of the failed communism of the past. Our technology is allowing people to watch over other people. Internet, Mobile Phones/Cell Phones, Cameras,etc.
Go out of the house, take a look around you(if you live in a city), then you will see that at every corner there is a camera. Surprisingly, this cameras can be used to track people, it's not just a fairy tale from a film about the future, it's sadly the truth. They can track you down through your cell phone, and now even random people have access to that info, they just have to pay a little money, and then just search for your number, and through satellites, they can almost exactly tell where you are. So let's say that you tell your bf/gf that you are going on a trip with your friends, but instead of a trip with your friends you are just going to enjoy your secret relationship with your other lover. Now, if your gf wants to know where you are, she just has to use this feature, and she'll see that you lied to her. Awesome. Even more perfect for stalkers and psychos. It is really sad to what this world is coming to.
Are you using a credit card? Well, I personally would stick to cash. Why? Well, if someone wants to know for example from the financial gov. then all they have to do is looking at your expenses, and they will see for what stuff you are using your money, and if they think that you are using the money for unecessary stuff, they might as well just do something about it. I guess you understand what I mean.
As well credit cards are bad, because people can track down your location as well through that, that actually depends on the usage of the card. Lets say you went to Italy, and bought yourself something with your credit card, the bank knows exactly what and where. Only thinking of this few things makes me think that one can't do anything anymore without other people knowing of it. No anonymity, no privacy, etc.

The same goes for the internet.

In the end we don't have rights, privacy, we have nothing. It's all about the governement controlling us secretly while we are naively thinking that we are FREE. My ass. Today EVERYTHING can be used against you, so not only some curious pedantic neighbours will have something to say against you, when the time comes where you will have to justify yourself for w/e you did or didn't do, now they will as well use your bank info, EVERYTHING.

Soon, every home will have to have some hidden cameras installed so that the police can check on us, etc. for w/e reason, I just think that this is going over board. Goddamnit, I want to buy me some clothes without being recorded on some goddamn tape, without the bank knowing what I bought, etc.
I want to go to w/e shop pleases me, without getting recorded on some goddamn tape. I want to walk down the street without getting recorded on some goddamn tape. -_- To say it more simply, I DON'T want to be controlled by some lame fucked up governement.

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Posted 7/25/08 , edited 7/25/08

MidnightZorya wrote:

Nineteen Eighty-Four by Goerger Orwell, did you read it? No? Then you should. Did you watch it? No? Then if you didn't read it, then at least watch it.

I've come to see that this world is slowly turning into a place, where complete control is demanded and most important. I would call it the new, better version of the failed communism of the past. Our technology is allowing people to watch over other people. Internet, Mobile Phones/Cell Phones, Cameras,etc.
Go out of the house, take a look around you(if you live in a city), then you will see that at every corner there is a camera. Surprisingly, this cameras can be used to track people, it's not just a fairy tale from a film about the future, it's sadly the truth. They can track you down through your cell phone, and now even random people have access to that info, they just have to pay a little money, and then just search for your number, and through satellites, they can almost exactly tell where you are. So let's say that you tell your bf/gf that you are going on a trip with your friends, but instead of a trip with your friends you are just going to enjoy your secret relationship with your other lover. Now, if your gf wants to know where you are, she just has to use this feature, and she'll see that you lied to her. Awesome. Even more perfect for stalkers and psychos. It is really sad to what this world is coming to.
Are you using a credit card? Well, I personally would stick to cash. Why? Well, if someone wants to know for example from the financial gov. then all they have to do is looking at your expenses, and they will see for what stuff you are using your money, and if they think that you are using the money for unecessary stuff, they might as well just do something about it. I guess you understand what I mean.
As well credit cards are bad, because people can track down your location as well through that, that actually depends on the usage of the card. Lets say you went to Italy, and bought yourself something with your credit card, the bank knows exactly what and where. Only thinking of this few things makes me think that one can't do anything anymore without other people knowing of it. No anonymity, no privacy, etc.

The same goes for the internet.

In the end we don't have rights, privacy, we have nothing. It's all about the governement controlling us secretly while we are naively thinking that we are FREE. My ass. Today EVERYTHING can be used against you, so not only some curious pedantic neighbours will have something to say against you, when the time comes where you will have to justify yourself for w/e you did or didn't do, now they will as well use your bank info, EVERYTHING.

Soon, every home will have to have some hidden cameras installed so that the police can check on us, etc. for w/e reason, I just think that this is going over board. Goddamnit, I want to buy me some clothes without being recorded on some goddamn tape, without the bank knowing what I bought, etc.
I want to go to w/e shop pleases me, without getting recorded on some goddamn tape. I want to walk down the street without getting recorded on some goddamn tape. -_- To say it more simply, I DON'T want to be controlled by some lame fucked up governement.

Floetry~


Well this sort of complacency happens when you have a Capitalistic economy and a communtative central government.The whole creation of Communism was to instill a system which their could not be posession of unequals.They have concerted foreign policies because they have to make sure with absolve that their system will be not fractured.More so you are repetrated a falsified democracy which is called Capitalism the whole system is pervasive through money and controlled by money.Its not Communism or a Democracy its a Republic.Where 6% of the populace controls and expaditing all nerving or corressed faculties.Try a Social Democracy which gives an equal proponent stand point on human life and i thoroughly agree with you.Its a world where assimilation and contexted thinking is pervayed through the media and the whole American dream which is an abstraction in order to condense exception.


Not only that all social functions and perversions are inkept and displaced through order or control thats what Capitalism lives off money and the repletion of order.With this bibiliocrities and and fallacies it creates a delusion of freedom since this type of currency is the fundamentalism of suppositional happiness.This system was bent on control and the renunciation of the people by using them for invaluable services , plus malcontesting and envoking their abilities.Essentially this society is for production not for life or happiness but for the ordinant and suberviant needs of the statesmen in charge.
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Posted 7/25/08 , edited 7/25/08
I think this is a result of fear mongering by political leaders. There does need to be some balance between personal freedoms and security. If anyone could do what they wanted with pure freedom, one could kill just anyone with no fear of goverment retribution. It would be anarchy. However today the climate of fear and playing off of societies anxieties have created such a controlled monitored enviroment where everything is seen, but we're not really as safe.

It reminds me of a quote from (Thomas Jefferson I think, correct me if I'm wrong)

Those that would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.


EDIT:I recommend that this be moved to Extended Discussion section
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Posted 7/25/08 , edited 7/25/08
mkay i made it quick so prolly i dident understood what you really wanted to say...

anyway you are complaining about being tracked .cause of the phone ...cause of the satelite ...cause of the card from teh bank ....having no freedom .
so my question is this ..could you live w/o cellphone / satellite and what bank can give you ?
if i remember ..you said something like gf would check on you by satellite to see where you are...
then damn who the fuck would want a gf that doesent give you freedom ...
so you prefer no television ....

mkay ..my answer to you is go and live in a forest .
sry if i dident read all ..but was to long ..sry if i dident comprehend it either
i can say many other things and give you proper examples but i dont feel like it atm
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Posted 7/25/08 , edited 7/25/08

artgeek707 wrote:

I think this is a result of fear mongering by political leaders. There does need to be some balance between personal freedoms and security. If anyone could do what they wanted with pure freedom, one could kill just anyone with no fear of goverment retribution. It would be anarchy. However today the climate of fear and playing off of societies anxieties have created such a controlled monitored enviroment where everything is seen, but we're not really as safe.

It reminds me of a quote from (Thomas Jefferson I think, correct me if I'm wrong)

Those that would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.


The world has to change that is the perversion of this world.Politicians fear the lose of power and system which allows them to manifest with power.Anarchism is needed to create a better society, the world is not stationary its always spinning. Conservatory policies allow men to retrogress.<_<
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Posted 7/25/08
what can we say ?

This is how screwed up this world is .

With the advances of technology .
As long as it don't affect the daily life of the citizens.
The citizens don't really mind .
As long as it doesn't cause any disadvantages to them .

Technology brings complacency . =]
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i edited my post =)
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as technological advancements come abt we actually dont have privacy or security. we r just hypnotized 2 think that we hav.
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Posted 7/25/08
the 1984 story was not theoretical communism, thats all i have to say about that.


but consider, there were three nations, and the regions that made up the capitalist west were the ones that degraded into the totalitarian society of Oceania.

i find it hard to imagine what the state of Eurasia must have been, being what was the communist bloc and all
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Posted 7/26/08
The need to control people by direct surveillance in a democracy, is usually very small. People, at least in the countries taht can have such a strict control, are very loyal to the system. Criticism is directed towards parties or individual politicians, perhaps a trend. Very few people are really radical anymore in the west. In my own country there is simply a non-promotion and non-deliverance of secrets in the bureaucracy for left-wing people. That is more than enough. The surveillance continues mostly for budget reasons. The state do not control or regulate your money, it could maybe cut it off, but why? Where's the need? Not to mention that it usually goes through private banks and that people would notice. Cameras in the stores? Private. Cameras in the street? How is that controlling the population? Do street riots happen that frequently? It is much more valid to discuss the media's control or "education". A camera can only look at you. A document can only list what you have done. Unless it is used for direct suppression, it is not a way to control anything. And I have never known any government papers to be used against me, and believe me: I have no problems admitting it if it was true. There simply isn't any point in controlling me like this. Also people would notice. But if you won't see the REAL problems, like politicians getting away with lying (people keep on voting for these liars, so its their fault), a party and election system that diminishes the individual's influence, media's control over your mind etc, then go ahead. But it doesn't make surveillance a big problem in the west. Noone needs to control us. We are no threat.
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Posted 7/26/08
India, one of those countries where Communist governments can be voted into power by democratic elections.
I shit you not.
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i find communism is abused (like most goverments), marx had some pretty good ideas (minus the anti-religion).
contrasting communism, capitalism seems to work, but only by stealing from other countrys.
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The need to control people by direct surveillance in a democracy, is usually very small. People, at least in the countries taht can have such a strict control, are very loyal to the system. Criticism is directed towards parties or individual politicians, perhaps a trend. Very few people are really radical anymore in the west. In my own country there is simply a non-promotion and non-deliverance of secrets in the bureaucracy for left-wing people. That is more than enough. The surveillance continues mostly for budget reasons. The state do not control or regulate your money, it could maybe cut it off, but why? Where's the need? Not to mention that it usually goes through private banks and that people would notice. Cameras in the stores? Private. Cameras in the street? How is that controlling the population? Do street riots happen that frequently? It is much more valid to discuss the media's control or "education". A camera can only look at you. A document can only list what you have done. Unless it is used for direct suppression, it is not a way to control anything. And I have never known any government papers to be used against me, and believe me: I have no problems admitting it if it was true. There simply isn't any point in controlling me like this. Also people would notice. But if you won't see the REAL problems, like politicians getting away with lying (people keep on voting for these liars, so its their fault), a party and election system that diminishes the individual's influence, media's control over your mind etc, then go ahead. But it doesn't make surveillance a big problem in the west. Noone needs to control us. We are no threat.


I agree with this person. although the security cameras are there it's rarely used. nobody cares what you or I were doing walking down the street today/yesterday. people could know where we live without going to a security syestem, but they don't. when was the last time you watched a security tape? never right? they're boring! when was the last time you located someone? why care where some random person is? why would some random person care where we are? security is just so that when someone does do something really bad (like kill someone) they are less likely to get away with it. security does have tapes of us, but nobody really watches it unless they know there's something worth watching on it beforehand (like a crime that happened at the time and place recored on the tape).
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I don't understand how it relates to communism...
I see what you mean and I agree with you, we're turning into this big brother society.
However I don't understand how the comparison with communism works, I thought communism was more of an economic system? Though I'm no expert on the subject, so I could be way off.
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Posted 8/19/09

Sunnyxx wrote:

I don't understand how it relates to communism...
I see what you mean and I agree with you, we're turning into this big brother society.
However I don't understand how the comparison with communism works, I thought communism was more of an economic system? Though I'm no expert on the subject, so I could be way off.


The OP confused communism with totalitarianism. Which is understandable since the two always go together.
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