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ohhh. I completely understand. Thank you.I heard the word nihonto before. I ran across it when i was studying the end of the Sengoku period for a paper. The word "nihon" is like "japanese" and the word to is given to the name of a sword. ahh! I don't remeber well. Thanks for answering my question.
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ohhh. I completely understand. Thank you.I heard the word nihonto before. I ran across it when i was studying the end of the Sengoku period for a paper. The word "nihon" is like "japanese" and the word to is given to the name of a sword. ahh! I don't remeber well. Thanks for answering my question.


Very correct. Feel free to ask anything anytime.

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Posted 8/3/08 , edited 8/3/08

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I did not misread the book it is sitting next to me now, couldnt it be possible that early in the kamakura it looked different, or in a different part of japan the style was different, or more then one style of tachi, or is another sword also considered a tachi


You don't know much about weapons do you? Weapons are classified by the blade shape.

If you take a gladius and a scimitar, it doesn't matter what fittings they have, a scimitar is a scimitar and a gladius is a gladius.

They may have had straighter hilts than Katana. It could be a typo.



alright shihhoucaim, if you are reading this- this is one of those times that I might say something. It is a good thing that carlrules097 knows very well that Ice is just trying to teach him. And if not- this is simply a friendly debate. Friendly debate is the spice of this otherwise dry group. Of course You don't know much about weapons do you? is a bit of a put down. However, it is the internet and there is no need to be quite so sensitive. That being said, internet or not- its never nice to put people down. Bad Ice!

However, carl probably did learn something, and he probably will say it again somewhere else- and when he does he will seem well informed and astute. So, argument or not- carl took something away from this conversation that he might use later in life.

(If you're just passing by and have no idea what the hell I'm talking about, just refer to my last post in the "What kind of warrior would you want to be?" thread.)
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Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


carlrules097 wrote:
I did not misread the book it is sitting next to me now, couldnt it be possible that early in the kamakura it looked different, or in a different part of japan the style was different, or more then one style of tachi, or is another sword also considered a tachi


You don't know much about weapons do you? Weapons are classified by the blade shape.

If you take a gladius and a scimitar, it doesn't matter what fittings they have, a scimitar is a scimitar and a gladius is a gladius.

They may have had straighter hilts than Katana. It could be a typo.



alright shihhoucaim, if you are reading this- this is one of those times that I might say something. It is a good thing that carlrules097 knows very well that Ice is just trying to teach him. And if not- this is simply a friendly debate. Friendly debate is the spice of this otherwise dry group. Of course You don't know much about weapons do you? is a bit of a put down. However, it is the internet and there is no need to be quite so sensitive. That being said, internet or not- its never nice to put people down. Bad Ice!

However, carl probably did learn something, and he probably will say it again somewhere else- and when he does he will seem well informed and astute. So, argument or not- carl took something away from this conversation that he might use later in life.

(If you're just passing by and have no idea what the hell I'm talking about, just refer to my last post in the "What kind of warrior would you want to be?" thread.)



Hey hey that was a joke. I think Carlrules got it.

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Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


Macedonian wrote:


Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


carlrules097 wrote:
I did not misread the book it is sitting next to me now, couldnt it be possible that early in the kamakura it looked different, or in a different part of japan the style was different, or more then one style of tachi, or is another sword also considered a tachi


You don't know much about weapons do you? Weapons are classified by the blade shape.

If you take a gladius and a scimitar, it doesn't matter what fittings they have, a scimitar is a scimitar and a gladius is a gladius.

They may have had straighter hilts than Katana. It could be a typo.



alright shihhoucaim, if you are reading this- this is one of those times that I might say something. It is a good thing that carlrules097 knows very well that Ice is just trying to teach him. And if not- this is simply a friendly debate. Friendly debate is the spice of this otherwise dry group. Of course You don't know much about weapons do you? is a bit of a put down. However, it is the internet and there is no need to be quite so sensitive. That being said, internet or not- its never nice to put people down. Bad Ice!

However, carl probably did learn something, and he probably will say it again somewhere else- and when he does he will seem well informed and astute. So, argument or not- carl took something away from this conversation that he might use later in life.

(If you're just passing by and have no idea what the hell I'm talking about, just refer to my last post in the "What kind of warrior would you want to be?" thread.)



Hey hey that was a joke. I think Carlrules got it.



Yeah i got it no harm done
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Alright a cousin was asking me a question the other day. When was the technique for making a katana perfected?
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I'm way more afraid of someone wielding a katana then someone with a loaded gun...I'm serious!
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Alright a cousin was asking me a question the other day. When was the technique for making a katana perfected?


Hmm I don't think it has been perfected yet. Though the only advancements in the last 300 years have been to make a cheaper [and crappier] katana. Example: Paul Chen's Practical Katana, great for the beginner's tameshigiri, but utter crap compared to Bugei.com swords or even better nihonto.

It had became refined in the early Edo period due to the advent of improved methods of burning the impurities from the metal.

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Posted 8/10/08 , edited 8/10/08

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I'm way more afraid of someone wielding a katana then someone with a loaded gun...I'm serious!


A katana will hurt more... A lot more.

When I was in my younger days of tameshigiri [test cutting] I had quite the accident. My saya[sheath] did not fit the sword perfectly in that the hibaki did not lock into the koiguchi. I should have fixed it.

Well when I was performing a simple shohatto, the katana split the wood of the koiguchi and if I hadn't realized it in a split second and moved my finger back, it would have taken my thumb. I was lucky it just flayed the skin off the base between my palm and my thumb.

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kiluanne93 wrote:

I'm way more afraid of someone wielding a katana then someone with a loaded gun...I'm serious!


A katana will hurt more... A lot more.

When I was in my younger days of tameshigiri [test cutting] I had quite the accident. My saya[sheath] did not fit the sword perfectly in that the hibaki did not lock into the koiguchi. I should have fixed it.

Well when I was performing a simple shohatto, the katana split the wood of the koiguchi and if I hadn't realized it in a split second and moved my finger back, it would have taken my thumb. I was lucky it just flayed the skin off the base between my palm and my thumb.



O.O wow! i'm sure your more careful these days though.
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kiluanne93 wrote:


Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


kiluanne93 wrote:

I'm way more afraid of someone wielding a katana then someone with a loaded gun...I'm serious!


A katana will hurt more... A lot more.

When I was in my younger days of tameshigiri [test cutting] I had quite the accident. My saya[sheath] did not fit the sword perfectly in that the hibaki did not lock into the koiguchi. I should have fixed it.

Well when I was performing a simple shohatto, the katana split the wood of the koiguchi and if I hadn't realized it in a split second and moved my finger back, it would have taken my thumb. I was lucky it just flayed the skin off the base between my palm and my thumb.



O.O wow! i'm sure your more careful these days though.


Yes. That was 4 years ago.
If something doesn't fit, I fix it now. :lol:

It wasn't a matter of carelessness but rather of apathy on my part that I should have asked if it was alright that it did not fit.

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kiluanne93 wrote:


Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


kiluanne93 wrote:

I'm way more afraid of someone wielding a katana then someone with a loaded gun...I'm serious!


A katana will hurt more... A lot more.

When I was in my younger days of tameshigiri [test cutting] I had quite the accident. My saya[sheath] did not fit the sword perfectly in that the hibaki did not lock into the koiguchi. I should have fixed it.

Well when I was performing a simple shohatto, the katana split the wood of the koiguchi and if I hadn't realized it in a split second and moved my finger back, it would have taken my thumb. I was lucky it just flayed the skin off the base between my palm and my thumb.



O.O wow! i'm sure your more careful these days though.


Yes. That was 4 years ago.
If something doesn't fit, I fix it now. :lol:

It wasn't a matter of carelessness but rather of apathy on my part that I should have asked if it was alright that it did not fit.



Apathy!? If you ask me I think that's a synonym for carelessness, I didn't know you could be that way when handling something so dangerous. I mean i guess that is because your so experienced and stuff.
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Posted 8/11/08 , edited 8/11/08

kiluanne93 wrote:


Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


kiluanne93 wrote:


Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


kiluanne93 wrote:

I'm way more afraid of someone wielding a katana then someone with a loaded gun...I'm serious!


A katana will hurt more... A lot more.

When I was in my younger days of tameshigiri [test cutting] I had quite the accident. My saya[sheath] did not fit the sword perfectly in that the hibaki did not lock into the koiguchi. I should have fixed it.

Well when I was performing a simple shohatto, the katana split the wood of the koiguchi and if I hadn't realized it in a split second and moved my finger back, it would have taken my thumb. I was lucky it just flayed the skin off the base between my palm and my thumb.



O.O wow! i'm sure your more careful these days though.


Yes. That was 4 years ago.
If something doesn't fit, I fix it now. :lol:

It wasn't a matter of carelessness but rather of apathy on my part that I should have asked if it was alright that it did not fit.



Apathy!? If you ask me I think that's a synonym for carelessness, I didn't know you could be that way when handling something so dangerous. I mean i guess that is because your so experienced and stuff.


Apathy isn't quite a synonym for carelessness.

Due to my inexperience I had thought it would be alright and I thought that that must be how it was suppose to be. It was through apathy[due to inexperience] that I did not worry to ask my instructor as I had no idea that what happened could possibly happen. It wasn't carelessness. Carelessness is an intentional disregard for safety.

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kiluanne93 wrote:


Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


kiluanne93 wrote:


Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


kiluanne93 wrote:

I'm way more afraid of someone wielding a katana then someone with a loaded gun...I'm serious!


A katana will hurt more... A lot more.

When I was in my younger days of tameshigiri [test cutting] I had quite the accident. My saya[sheath] did not fit the sword perfectly in that the hibaki did not lock into the koiguchi. I should have fixed it.

Well when I was performing a simple shohatto, the katana split the wood of the koiguchi and if I hadn't realized it in a split second and moved my finger back, it would have taken my thumb. I was lucky it just flayed the skin off the base between my palm and my thumb.



O.O wow! i'm sure your more careful these days though.


Yes. That was 4 years ago.
If something doesn't fit, I fix it now. :lol:

It wasn't a matter of carelessness but rather of apathy on my part that I should have asked if it was alright that it did not fit.



Apathy!? If you ask me I think that's a synonym for carelessness, I didn't know you could be that way when handling something so dangerous. I mean i guess that is because your so experienced and stuff.


Apathy isn't quite a synonym for carelessness.

Due to my inexperience I had thought it would be alright and I thought that that must be how it was suppose to be. It was through apathy[due to inexperience] that I did not worry to ask my instructor as I had no idea that what happened could possibly happen. It wasn't carelessness. Carelessness is an intentional disregard for safety.



hmm I believe I could still argue that it kinda is but not all the way. but I understand where your coming from with that. It was more like thoughtlessness.
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Posted 8/11/08 , edited 8/11/08

kiluanne93 wrote:


Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


kiluanne93 wrote:


Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


kiluanne93 wrote:


Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


kiluanne93 wrote:

I'm way more afraid of someone wielding a katana then someone with a loaded gun...I'm serious!


A katana will hurt more... A lot more.

When I was in my younger days of tameshigiri [test cutting] I had quite the accident. My saya[sheath] did not fit the sword perfectly in that the hibaki did not lock into the koiguchi. I should have fixed it.

Well when I was performing a simple shohatto, the katana split the wood of the koiguchi and if I hadn't realized it in a split second and moved my finger back, it would have taken my thumb. I was lucky it just flayed the skin off the base between my palm and my thumb.

It wasn't even apathy really. It was inexperience and misunderstanding. Worse has happened to others and i'd say I am quite the opposite as you'd have me to be because that's the only accident I have ever had. I haven't so much made a papercut with weaponry since then. I can spin knives around like a pro in the kitchen and not worry.



O.O wow! i'm sure your more careful these days though.


Yes. That was 4 years ago.
If something doesn't fit, I fix it now. :lol:

It wasn't a matter of carelessness but rather of apathy on my part that I should have asked if it was alright that it did not fit.



Apathy!? If you ask me I think that's a synonym for carelessness, I didn't know you could be that way when handling something so dangerous. I mean i guess that is because your so experienced and stuff.


Apathy isn't quite a synonym for carelessness.

Due to my inexperience I had thought it would be alright and I thought that that must be how it was suppose to be. It was through apathy[due to inexperience] that I did not worry to ask my instructor as I had no idea that what happened could possibly happen. It wasn't carelessness. Carelessness is an intentional disregard for safety.



hmm I believe I could still argue that it kinda is but not all the way. but I understand where your coming from with that. It was more like thoughtlessness.


No. You can call me thoughtless and careless all you want, but the bottom line was you weren't there.

I had the misunderstanding that the fit was how it was suppose to be. Instead of asking if it was, I continued with practice.

I quite the opposite of careless as that is the only accident [counting the slightest papercut as well] I have ever had. I can spin knives around in the kitchen like a pro and once I showed my mother. She was scared and amazed at the same time.

Many people have accidents. I am one of the few that is so familiar with blades that it never happens.

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