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Your right I wasn't there. But I wasn't calling you careless or thoughtless . I was a bit unclear of the definition of apathy so I was trying to be clear on that. You called yourself apathetic. You translated that into me calling you thoughtless or careless. So it was like me calling you thoughtless and careless indirectly. Next time I'll go to a dictionary. First you said it wasn't really apathy, then you said it was apathy. ?? Then its a misunderstanding and not apathy. Then you were not apathetic, which became my definition of carelessness/thoughtlessness. THEREFORE! I did not indirectly call you thoughtless and careless by mistake, you are not careless and thoughtless, and I now have a clearer definition of apathy. I wouldn't have the right to call you careless because I am not a professional at what you do or what you did.
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Your right I wasn't there. But I wasn't calling you careless or thoughtless . I was a bit unclear of the definition of apathy so I was trying to be clear on that. You called yourself apathetic. You translated that into me calling you thoughtless or careless. So it was like me calling you thoughtless and careless indirectly. Next time I'll go to a dictionary. First you said it wasn't really apathy, then you said it was apathy. ?? Then its a misunderstanding and not apathy. Then you were not apathetic, which became my definition of carelessness/thoughtlessness. THEREFORE! I did not indirectly call you thoughtless and careless by mistake, you are not careless and thoughtless, and I now have a clearer definition of apathy. I wouldn't have the right to call you careless because I am not a professional at what you do or what you did.


Haha relax.
I didn't mean it like that though I can see how it would have came out like that.

First I said apathy due to lack of a better word. Then I said it wouldn't neccessarily be apathy but more of a misunderstanding.

Apathy means you don't care to do anything.
In my case I didn't know I should have done anything as I assumed it was suppose to be like that.
If I had known or thought it was wrong, I would have definitely asked someone.
Hope that clears it up.

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Apathy means you don't care to do anything.



yes yes yes. clears everything up. but right when ever thing is cleared up. You said it yourself.


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katana (from as far as i know) is has a very interesting characteristic - the blade is made in such a way that it always faces up. that way u don't waste time while atacking the opponent. also is one of the Japanese swords that can be handeled with both hands, in a way or another it was an ingeniuos way of not spending to much time when you are cornered by enemies and an elegant manner of staying alive.
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wow you are the warlord. I hear katanas can be really sharp. this is educational though


Most definitely, a proper Katana should be sharp enough to cut a leave with the slightest of force and strong enough to cut through 6 consecutive human bodies.

It is often considered the apex of cutting swords much as the smallsword is known to be the apex of thrusting swords.



OK this may be true but it takes a bit of skill just to cut a leaf in half right.
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I hear a lot of stuff about nijias but one of the things im cunfused about is did thay use swords and if so what kind me personly i dont think thay would becuse thay were spys and a sword is to big if thay held a blade at all wouldn't it just be like a dager type thing?
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Is Rurouni Kenshin fairly accurate with its facts about swords and in realism.
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Is Rurouni Kenshin fairly accurate with its facts about swords and in realism.


Not at all.
It's quite the opposite.

There is no real anime with realism in that aspect.

The closest I have seen is in Peacemaker Kurogane and still it is exaggerated.

Good question though.

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I hear a lot of stuff about nijias but one of the things im cunfused about is did thay use swords and if so what kind me personly i dont think thay would becuse thay were spys and a sword is to big if thay held a blade at all wouldn't it just be like a dager type thing?
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No, Ninja did not use swords.
As you said they are spies, they didn't need weapon as they never partook in combat.

If you're talking about the kunai, it is actually not a dagger or knife or even blade for that matter. It's a dull trowel.

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JESTDIE wrote:

I hear a lot of stuff about nijias but one of the things im cunfused about is did thay use swords and if so what kind me personly i dont think thay would becuse thay were spys and a sword is to big if thay held a blade at all wouldn't it just be like a dager type thing?
(not relly sure what the real name would be)


No, Ninja did not use swords.
As you said they are spies, they didn't need weapon as they never partook in combat.

If you're talking about the kunai, it is actually not a dagger or knife or even blade for that matter. It's a dull trowel.



no its not a kunai its like a really short sword im pretty sure it was used for assassination
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JESTDIE wrote:

Is Rurouni Kenshin fairly accurate with its facts about swords and in realism.


Not at all.
It's quite the opposite.

There is no real anime with realism in that aspect.

The closest I have seen is in Peacemaker Kurogane and still it is exaggerated.

Good question though.



peacemaker is exaggerated i thot it was all realisum
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JESTDIE wrote:

I hear a lot of stuff about nijias but one of the things im cunfused about is did thay use swords and if so what kind me personly i dont think thay would becuse thay were spys and a sword is to big if thay held a blade at all wouldn't it just be like a dager type thing?
(not relly sure what the real name would be)


No, Ninja did not use swords.
As you said they are spies, they didn't need weapon as they never partook in combat.

If you're talking about the kunai, it is actually not a dagger or knife or even blade for that matter. It's a dull trowel.



no its not a kunai its like a really short sword im pretty sure it was used for assassination


The only short sword is a kodachi [or Wakizashi] which was the companion sword to the Katana.

Perhaps you can post a picture.

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kinda like this one
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kinda like this one


That would be a tanto. It was not used for assassins but rather for harakiri and as a utility knife or in conjunction with jujutsu to strike the killing blow to a downed opponent.
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I posted this on another group. Might as well post it here since it seems to be a favorite weapon to many here.
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First I'll start by saying what a Katana is NOT.

A Katana is NOT a "Samurai Sword."
A Katana is NOT a Tachi.
A Katana is NOT a Toy.
A Katana is NOT made of stainless steel.
A Katana does NOT transform into a giant sword that is bigger than the wielder.
A Katana does NOT have magic powers.
A Katana is NOT the greatest sword on earth.
A Katana is NEVER straight. ["Ninja Swords" never existed historically.]
A Katana is hardly ever used to parry or block another sword.

What IS a katana?
A Katana IS a Shinken. [Though a Shinken is not always a Katana]
A Katana IS a Daito. [Though a Daito is not always a Katana]
A Katana IS a durable cutting sword which in use is very effective at killing.
A Katana IS a Dangerous Weapon that should be taken seriously at all times and not played with.

Specifications:
First off, calling it a "Samurai Sword" is as silly and stupid as calling a Peacmaker Revolver a "Cowboy Gun" or an arming sword a "Knight Sword." Furthermore aside from being silly and incorrect, it was not used alone by the samurai until the Sword Prohibition Act and even then I am sure some were in secret possession.
Shinken just means "Live Blade" which is not always a Katana. First off, a Katana was worn edge up thrust through an Obi. A "Katana" had very strict measurement rules. If it wasn't constrained to those specific rules, it wasn't a katana. What about a tachi? A tachi is a sword similar to a Katana but with more of a curve and it is worn with fittings to armor edge down. A tachi certainly isn't a Katana, but people often mix them up. Or you can be very vague and list "Daito" which means "Long Sword"

Technically, "Katana" is the only real word for a "Katana." Informally, you can call it whatever you want, but you'd be incorrect. I for one am rarely informal.

So you can list Daito, Tachi, Shinken, and it would all point to a sharpened long sword, but a Katana is in a league of it's own.

Furthermore, one can NOT use a katana properly without formal instruction from a certified instructor. You can NOT learn swordsmanship from books or videos or movies or clips. Only a certified instructor can teach you swordsmanship. To wield a sword without instruction from a certified instructor proses a danger to not only yourself but to anyone and anything around you. Wielding a stainless steel blade is dangerous as well but for the fact that it is not proper metal for a sword, which is why they are called "Wallhangers" and not "Swords" and can break with little resistance as seen in this very real (and funny) clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2EQWCpnIR8

Feel free to comment, have a friendly debate, and add you're own information.


pre·ten·tious
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May get me kicked but I had to say it.

The katana was mostly paired with the wakizashi or shōtō, a similarly made but smaller sword, both worn by the members of the warrior class. It could also be worn with the tantō, an even smaller similarly shaped blade. The two weapons together were called the daishō and represented the social power and personal honour of the samurai......... so it begs the question then just what is a samurai sword if the katana is no longer it?
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