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Haha I banned him and now he's threatening me saying he's a dangerous person.

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ehh it got that bad? thats suprising. i though you'd just like argue, make amends and then we have another addition to activity. oh well. Ice, you really do bite.


No All I did was ban him after his last comment and then he sent me the mail. I warned him bloody good three times.
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Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


kiluanne93 wrote:


Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


kiluanne93 wrote:


Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:

Haha I banned him and now he's threatening me saying he's a dangerous person.

who blackfaceboy????



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ehh it got that bad? thats suprising. i though you'd just like argue, make amends and then we have another addition to activity. oh well. Ice, you really do bite.


No All I did was ban him after his last comment and then he sent me the mail. I warned him bloody good three times.


I see, I see. Your still feisty. =] the dude has problems. i mean i know he has opinions but joining a club saying that he has no interest in making "fictitious" friends and all. Thats his problems. I'm moving on with my life now. :D
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I posted this on another group. Might as well post it here since it seems to be a favorite weapon to many here.
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First I'll start by saying what a Katana is NOT.

A Katana is NOT a "Samurai Sword."
A Katana is NOT a Tachi.
A Katana is NOT a Toy.
A Katana is NOT made of stainless steel.
A Katana does NOT transform into a giant sword that is bigger than the wielder.
A Katana does NOT have magic powers.
A Katana is NOT the greatest sword on earth.
A Katana is NEVER straight. ["Ninja Swords" never existed historically.]
A Katana is hardly ever used to parry or block another sword.

What IS a katana?
A Katana IS a Shinken. [Though a Shinken is not always a Katana]
A Katana IS a Daito. [Though a Daito is not always a Katana]
A Katana IS a durable cutting sword which in use is very effective at killing.
A Katana IS a Dangerous Weapon that should be taken seriously at all times and not played with.

Specifications:
First off, calling it a "Samurai Sword" is as silly and stupid as calling a Peacmaker Revolver a "Cowboy Gun" or an arming sword a "Knight Sword." Furthermore aside from being silly and incorrect, it was not used alone by the samurai until the Sword Prohibition Act and even then I am sure some were in secret possession.
Shinken just means "Live Blade" which is not always a Katana. First off, a Katana was worn edge up thrust through an Obi. A "Katana" had very strict measurement rules. If it wasn't constrained to those specific rules, it wasn't a katana. What about a tachi? A tachi is a sword similar to a Katana but with more of a curve and it is worn with fittings to armor edge down. A tachi certainly isn't a Katana, but people often mix them up. Or you can be very vague and list "Daito" which means "Long Sword"

Technically, "Katana" is the only real word for a "Katana." Informally, you can call it whatever you want, but you'd be incorrect. I for one am rarely informal.

So you can list Daito, Tachi, Shinken, and it would all point to a sharpened long sword, but a Katana is in a league of it's own.

Furthermore, one can NOT use a katana properly without formal instruction from a certified instructor. You can NOT learn swordsmanship from books or videos or movies or clips. Only a certified instructor can teach you swordsmanship. To wield a sword without instruction from a certified instructor proses a danger to not only yourself but to anyone and anything around you. Wielding a stainless steel blade is dangerous as well but for the fact that it is not proper metal for a sword, which is why they are called "Wallhangers" and not "Swords" and can break with little resistance as seen in this very real (and funny) clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2EQWCpnIR8

Feel free to comment, have a friendly debate, and add you're own information.


well I'm not totally sure where you get your facts.. but there is such things as katanas.... The existence of the real one were just in blurr because of the amount of fake one that was mad in the war.... not sure if it was the second or the first... well anyway they did exist and for parrying for somesort..... the back side of the Katana was made to block an opponents attack not the bladed side.... as also the Katana was dimmed as the greatest weapon of martial Arts... adn the Samurais trained with them so much and connected with them so much so that they believed that the sword was part of their soul so that made them believe their swords needed names.... at least thats what I watched in Discovery channel
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Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:

I posted this on another group. Might as well post it here since it seems to be a favorite weapon to many here.
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First I'll start by saying what a Katana is NOT.

A Katana is NOT a "Samurai Sword."
A Katana is NOT a Tachi.
A Katana is NOT a Toy.
A Katana is NOT made of stainless steel.
A Katana does NOT transform into a giant sword that is bigger than the wielder.
A Katana does NOT have magic powers.
A Katana is NOT the greatest sword on earth.
A Katana is NEVER straight. ["Ninja Swords" never existed historically.]
A Katana is hardly ever used to parry or block another sword.

What IS a katana?
A Katana IS a Shinken. [Though a Shinken is not always a Katana]
A Katana IS a Daito. [Though a Daito is not always a Katana]
A Katana IS a durable cutting sword which in use is very effective at killing.
A Katana IS a Dangerous Weapon that should be taken seriously at all times and not played with.

Specifications:
First off, calling it a "Samurai Sword" is as silly and stupid as calling a Peacmaker Revolver a "Cowboy Gun" or an arming sword a "Knight Sword." Furthermore aside from being silly and incorrect, it was not used alone by the samurai until the Sword Prohibition Act and even then I am sure some were in secret possession.
Shinken just means "Live Blade" which is not always a Katana. First off, a Katana was worn edge up thrust through an Obi. A "Katana" had very strict measurement rules. If it wasn't constrained to those specific rules, it wasn't a katana. What about a tachi? A tachi is a sword similar to a Katana but with more of a curve and it is worn with fittings to armor edge down. A tachi certainly isn't a Katana, but people often mix them up. Or you can be very vague and list "Daito" which means "Long Sword"

Technically, "Katana" is the only real word for a "Katana." Informally, you can call it whatever you want, but you'd be incorrect. I for one am rarely informal.

So you can list Daito, Tachi, Shinken, and it would all point to a sharpened long sword, but a Katana is in a league of it's own.

Furthermore, one can NOT use a katana properly without formal instruction from a certified instructor. You can NOT learn swordsmanship from books or videos or movies or clips. Only a certified instructor can teach you swordsmanship. To wield a sword without instruction from a certified instructor proses a danger to not only yourself but to anyone and anything around you. Wielding a stainless steel blade is dangerous as well but for the fact that it is not proper metal for a sword, which is why they are called "Wallhangers" and not "Swords" and can break with little resistance as seen in this very real (and funny) clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2EQWCpnIR8

Feel free to comment, have a friendly debate, and add you're own information.


well I'm not totally sure where you get your facts.. but there is such things as katanas.... The existence of the real one were just in blurr because of the amount of fake one that was mad in the war.... not sure if it was the second or the first... well anyway they did exist and for parrying for somesort..... the back side of the Katana was made to block an opponents attack not the bladed side.... as also the Katana was dimmed as the greatest weapon of martial Arts... adn the Samurais trained with them so much and connected with them so much so that they believed that the sword was part of their soul so that made them believe their swords needed names.... at least thats what I watched in Discovery channel


I never said there wasn't such a thing as katana.
Parrying? Could you refer me to specific techniques which involve parrying?
It's kind of hard blocking with the back of a blade.
There is no greatest weapon. A weapon is a tool with a specific use and design aside it is only as great as the wielder's skill.
That is true about naming and the connection.

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Claw wrote:


Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:

I posted this on another group. Might as well post it here since it seems to be a favorite weapon to many here.
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First I'll start by saying what a Katana is NOT.

A Katana is NOT a "Samurai Sword."
A Katana is NOT a Tachi.
A Katana is NOT a Toy.
A Katana is NOT made of stainless steel.
A Katana does NOT transform into a giant sword that is bigger than the wielder.
A Katana does NOT have magic powers.
A Katana is NOT the greatest sword on earth.
A Katana is NEVER straight. ["Ninja Swords" never existed historically.]
A Katana is hardly ever used to parry or block another sword.

What IS a katana?
A Katana IS a Shinken. [Though a Shinken is not always a Katana]
A Katana IS a Daito. [Though a Daito is not always a Katana]
A Katana IS a durable cutting sword which in use is very effective at killing.
A Katana IS a Dangerous Weapon that should be taken seriously at all times and not played with.

Specifications:
First off, calling it a "Samurai Sword" is as silly and stupid as calling a Peacmaker Revolver a "Cowboy Gun" or an arming sword a "Knight Sword." Furthermore aside from being silly and incorrect, it was not used alone by the samurai until the Sword Prohibition Act and even then I am sure some were in secret possession.
Shinken just means "Live Blade" which is not always a Katana. First off, a Katana was worn edge up thrust through an Obi. A "Katana" had very strict measurement rules. If it wasn't constrained to those specific rules, it wasn't a katana. What about a tachi? A tachi is a sword similar to a Katana but with more of a curve and it is worn with fittings to armor edge down. A tachi certainly isn't a Katana, but people often mix them up. Or you can be very vague and list "Daito" which means "Long Sword"

Technically, "Katana" is the only real word for a "Katana." Informally, you can call it whatever you want, but you'd be incorrect. I for one am rarely informal.

So you can list Daito, Tachi, Shinken, and it would all point to a sharpened long sword, but a Katana is in a league of it's own.

Furthermore, one can NOT use a katana properly without formal instruction from a certified instructor. You can NOT learn swordsmanship from books or videos or movies or clips. Only a certified instructor can teach you swordsmanship. To wield a sword without instruction from a certified instructor proses a danger to not only yourself but to anyone and anything around you. Wielding a stainless steel blade is dangerous as well but for the fact that it is not proper metal for a sword, which is why they are called "Wallhangers" and not "Swords" and can break with little resistance as seen in this very real (and funny) clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2EQWCpnIR8

Feel free to comment, have a friendly debate, and add you're own information.


well I'm not totally sure where you get your facts.. but there is such things as katanas.... The existence of the real one were just in blurr because of the amount of fake one that was mad in the war.... not sure if it was the second or the first... well anyway they did exist and for parrying for somesort..... the back side of the Katana was made to block an opponents attack not the bladed side.... as also the Katana was dimmed as the greatest weapon of martial Arts... adn the Samurais trained with them so much and connected with them so much so that they believed that the sword was part of their soul so that made them believe their swords needed names.... at least thats what I watched in Discovery channel


I never said there wasn't such a thing as katana.
Parrying? Could you refer me to specific techniques which involve parrying?
It's kind of hard blocking with the back of a blade.
There is no greatest weapon. A weapon is a tool with a specific use and design aside it is only as great as the wielder's skill.
That is true about naming and the connection.



well in parrying more like blocking the opponents slash with the back of your sword... more like guiding it away from it path and when acomplished the blocker has a definite advantage having his bladed side towards the enemy while the enemy has hiw weapon away from the blocker..... while the ultimate weapon thing.... it was more on the scientific basis... a weapon which delivers a deadly blow(a given), with control (which the nunchaks doesn't have), range (where daggers fail), power (where the usual chinese swords doesn't have, both the peircing and clashing types becasue the Katana can do both) and sturdiness(which the rod/staff doesn't have)
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i got a new book on the evolution of samurai armor weapons and clothing, and in the early kamakura period if im not mistaken before the introduction of the katana there was a straight blade similar and could be confused with a katana or the "ninja sword", it might have been the tachi but i dont remember the name, it was used when samurai were mostly horsemen and it was more difficult to draw the weapon but was designed quite well for horse back fighting. It had a straight blade and a curved handle. I believe this is what is confused sometimes for a "ninja sword" Just a fact i recently learned



Not to rehash an old argument, and be a nit pick but there is another problem, besides the matter of the naming of a sword. Samurai originally where mounted archers, that is why a long time ago the first art they were expected to master was the yumi not the sword. The sword was a secondary weapon for the calvary not the first.
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i got a new book on the evolution of samurai armor weapons and clothing, and in the early kamakura period if im not mistaken before the introduction of the katana there was a straight blade similar and could be confused with a katana or the "ninja sword", it might have been the tachi but i dont remember the name, it was used when samurai were mostly horsemen and it was more difficult to draw the weapon but was designed quite well for horse back fighting. It had a straight blade and a curved handle. I believe this is what is confused sometimes for a "ninja sword" Just a fact i recently learned



Not to rehash an old argument, and be a nit pick but there is another problem, besides the matter of the naming of a sword. Samurai originally where mounted archers, that is why a long time ago the first art they were expected to master was the yumi not the sword. The sword was a secondary weapon for the calvary not the first.


Not to nitpick, but the sword was of third importance. Yumi - Spear - Sword.

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i got a new book on the evolution of samurai armor weapons and clothing, and in the early kamakura period if im not mistaken before the introduction of the katana there was a straight blade similar and could be confused with a katana or the "ninja sword", it might have been the tachi but i dont remember the name, it was used when samurai were mostly horsemen and it was more difficult to draw the weapon but was designed quite well for horse back fighting. It had a straight blade and a curved handle. I believe this is what is confused sometimes for a "ninja sword" Just a fact i recently learned



Not to rehash an old argument, and be a nit pick but there is another problem, besides the matter of the naming of a sword. Samurai originally where mounted archers, that is why a long time ago the first art they were expected to master was the yumi not the sword. The sword was a secondary weapon for the calvary not the first.


Not to nitpick, but the sword was of third importance. Yumi - Spear - Sword.



As long as I am not the only nit picker I feel better already. Here's another nitpick for you they don't call it a spear it was usually one of the following a nagamaki, Naginata or a Yari. Although a Yari is a spear in a western definition where as a nagamaki or naginata is more of a pole arm weapon.
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well in parrying more like blocking the opponents slash with the back of your sword... more like guiding it away from it path and when acomplished the blocker has a definite advantage having his bladed side towards the enemy while the enemy has hiw weapon away from the blocker..... while the ultimate weapon thing.... it was more on the scientific basis... a weapon which delivers a deadly blow(a given), with control (which the nunchaks doesn't have), range (where daggers fail), power (where the usual chinese swords doesn't have, both the peircing and clashing types becasue the Katana can do both) and sturdiness(which the rod/staff doesn't have)


If I am wrong perhaps you can show me some proof. What is the name of these techniques?
Blocking with the back of the blade would put you at a disadvantage. I've never heard of that.

Also there really can't be an ultimate weapon. Why? Well for one on counter of your five points; A katana is not a piercing weapon. It cannot be due to the design.
Furthermore I don't know what you mean sturdiness because a rod is a solid bar with no stress points while a katana can chip and break due to prolonged blade on blade combat. Furthermore power is subjective and is not necessary as the wielder generates power, not the blade itself. As for range, the rapier can easily has the advantage over the katana as do several other swords such as the arming sword and great swords. The control does not lie in the weapon but the user. Any weapon can deliver a deadly blow.
So I don't find any scientific basis.

The katana, however, IS a superior cutting weapon but the best? Not quite.

I wouldn't believe everything you see on the discovery channel. Fight Science is a good example of how something claiming to be scientific fact can easily be refuted.

The program defies logic and elementary physics.
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well in parrying more like blocking the opponents slash with the back of your sword... more like guiding it away from it path and when acomplished the blocker has a definite advantage having his bladed side towards the enemy while the enemy has hiw weapon away from the blocker..... while the ultimate weapon thing.... it was more on the scientific basis... a weapon which delivers a deadly blow(a given), with control (which the nunchaks doesn't have), range (where daggers fail), power (where the usual chinese swords doesn't have, both the peircing and clashing types becasue the Katana can do both) and sturdiness(which the rod/staff doesn't have)


If I am wrong perhaps you can show me some proof. What is the name of these techniques?
Blocking with the back of the blade would put you at a disadvantage. I've never heard of that.

Also there really can't be an ultimate weapon. Why? Well for one on counter of your five points; A katana is not a piercing weapon. It cannot be due to the design.
Furthermore I don't know what you mean sturdiness because a rod is a solid bar with no stress points while a katana can chip and break due to prolonged blade on blade combat. Furthermore power is subjective and is not necessary as the wielder generates power, not the blade itself. As for range, the rapier can easily has the advantage over the katana as do several other swords such as the arming sword and great swords. The control does not lie in the weapon but the user. Any weapon can deliver a deadly blow.
So I don't find any scientific basis.

The katana, however, IS a superior cutting weapon but the best? Not quite.

I wouldn't believe everything you see on the discovery channel. Fight Science is a good example of how something claiming to be scientific fact can easily be refuted.

The program defies logic and elementary physics.


okay first of all people numchucks(or however you spell it) IS NOT A REAL WEAPON!!!!!!!!! It was made for the movies in the 70's. Okay that off my chest here is a point that Icey may or may not know, IN FENCING you are taught to use the back or dull side of the blade to counter or guide a blow away from you. This take a tremendous amout of skill and it not really good in real combat for two reasons one, you really don't have time to be flipping a blade around to fight an opponent second it will NOT work with some swords that have a hilt guard. Good in theory but horrible in practice. I personally have found myself screaming at discovery channel sometimes in regards to show on weapons or on fighting styles so I found to keep peace in my house I no longer watch those shows. Fencing is not Swordsmanship it is a sport like baskeball. Kinda like Kenjustu and Kendo, one is a serious devotion or study to the sword the other is a sport.
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wow, something that Ice doesnt know, thats new. Can't wait to see how this one turns out.
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wow, something that Ice doesnt know, thats new. Can't wait to see how this one turns out.


I didn't say he didn't know. I have only just joined this group so don't you go and get me into trouble. I said he may or may not know, since I am new I am still feeling out who knows what and how much but no knows everything, myself included.
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wow, something that Ice doesnt know, thats new. Can't wait to see how this one turns out.


I didn't say he didn't know. I have only just joined this group so don't you go and get me into trouble. I said he may or may not know, since I am new I am still feeling out who knows what and how much but no knows everything, myself included.


what? no, no,That was a joke. Why would I try to get you in trouble?
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wow, something that Ice doesnt know, thats new. Can't wait to see how this one turns out.


I didn't say he didn't know. I have only just joined this group so don't you go and get me into trouble. I said he may or may not know, since I am new I am still feeling out who knows what and how much but no knows everything, myself included.


what? no, no,That was a joke. Why would I try to get you in trouble?


I was teasing you back silly.
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wow, something that Ice doesnt know, thats new. Can't wait to see how this one turns out.


I didn't say he didn't know. I have only just joined this group so don't you go and get me into trouble. I said he may or may not know, since I am new I am still feeling out who knows what and how much but no knows everything, myself included.


what? no, no,That was a joke. Why would I try to get you in trouble?


I was teasing you back silly.


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