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US plans to make war with Iran?
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its just so sad to see this kind of statements,there are stupid people all over
the world,i know,but its so sad to see a huge nation like the usa voting for
people like schwarzenegger and bush.to hear arguments,that only narrow minded religios
people would use.when does mankind understand that if you stop
reflecting and stop thinking nothing good will come out!read people!read!see why the
iraq is like it is,see why history showed us,that it is wrong what bush does right now!
read!!!man its so similar to the religion problem,people who never read the bible say
there is no evolution,people who never got into the topic of iraq say its right because they bomb us...etc.what is going on!?i just post that because i am afraid,of the usa!
sorry for that long reply.
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congress would NEVER allow it
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The war in Iraq is pointless why start another one in Iran? Cuz of greed but... its pointless they put in their leader and a rebelion starts because countries don't like America. Iraq...can never be called a battle that america won... because they're will always be fighting... Iran same thing they can try but its not going to work... let a country work itself out. If they want to be comunists.. let them... Dont get greedy be patience... also, again no offence, Bush shouldn't have been elected... EVER. MAybe Sr... but not Jr.
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for the ppl saying that America is killing tons of innocent people... Look at what Sadam was doing. He murderd hundreds of thousands of his own people. That is nothing compared to the loss of people from the war. Can u honestly say that u would want to have Sadam in leadership in Iraq?
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its smart that their atleast making "plans". Congress won't allow it, but if iran invades iraq it'll be good to have some sort of plan
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digs wrote:

for the ppl saying that America is killing tons of innocent people... Look at what Sadam was doing. He murderd hundreds of thousands of his own people. That is nothing compared to the loss of people from the war. Can u honestly say that u would want to have Sadam in leadership in Iraq?


Those people in Iraq that died... oh well its a war people are bound to die... but I trust George Bush LESS then I'd Trust Saddam Hussain... At least if he wants you dead he kills you.. But Bush is all about the behind the scenes stuff.
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I would like some proof saying that Bush wants to kill all the troops from behind the scenes that is just stupid.
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I don't know why people call americans dumb, when there is an equal percentage of dumb people in every counrty and culture, as well as lazy people

But anyway, I don't understand the whole argument against the U.S. and Bush in the whole Iraq thing, the fact is we followed bad intel from credible sources such as Russian sec, British MI-6, our own CIA as well as sources in Baghdad it happens all the time in the military and intel community, Iraq is just the largest example, now I'm not an out right Bush supporter, I'm just a rational thinker, seeing as how we were attacked by a threat that we only thought was a minor danger and had largely ingnored, Bush just figured that Iraq's ficticous WMD's was just another "mild threat" that could end up taking out a good chunk of the US populace, and I personally can't judge the man for making a decision he thought would save American lives, I'm pretty sure most poeple in his position in a post 9/11 world with the same bad intel, would make the same decision

Let me break it down for simple people, you're walking along with your children in a town or city known for it's crime, and all of a sudden, a man comes out of nowhere and pulls a gun, of course you're going to shoot him dead, buuuuut, you find out later that he was a retard and the weapon was just a toy and he planned on playing a friendly game of "Army men" with your kids
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^you know,that you talk about war,yes!?if you declare war you should be sure the gun
is loaded,especially when the guy is not even holding a gun.man,did you really thought
that he was a threat!?the rest of the world didnt think so,but i am sure that is not
an argument for you,right!?
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digs wrote:

for the ppl saying that America is killing tons of innocent people... Look at what Sadam was doing. He murderd hundreds of thousands of his own people. That is nothing compared to the loss of people from the war. Can u honestly say that u would want to have Sadam in leadership in Iraq?


gee whiz, I wonder who gave saddam the chemical weapons which he used against his fellow Iraqi's? Who supported saddam in the 80's then went to war against him because he threatened Kuwait (a US oil supplier) in the 90's. Who initiated this catastrofuck in 2003?

America may not commit genocide, but its ridiculous foreign policy throughout different administrations in the decades past has resulted in indirect murder.
Look at what the US did to latin america in the 80s.

I really wish the people in washington were not dolts, America needs to consult the academics and historians a little more often than the CIA.

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This rest of the world didn't watch terrorists fly planes into some of their most prominent buildings either, the fact is, we were on edge, just like the people in the bad neighborhood, I've lived in a bad hood my entire life, where we were always on edge, trust me on this, anybody you ask who lives here will tell you they would have shot the retard, why? you ask, because though the gun was not real or loaded, won't matter in that split second, you see a possible threat to you and your children, you are not going to wait to see if the gun is loaded, (because that's stupid and shows a complete lack of street smarts for one thing) you are going to eliminate the threat
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so basically you're all saying that america should be isolationist? i don't see that happening....ever...and its not only america. any country who's acquired global hegemony requires for it to look outwards. if for example Brazil becomes the only Global power in the world, it would act exactly the same way America is acting now. at least that's the realist perspective. so no i don't think the problem is purely America.

^^ its all politics my dear...the Cold War pushed america into paranoid delusions that gave them the incentive to arm and train its future enemies...no one could've perceived this 50 yrs ago.

and what would you do if you were a policy maker? there was a thread before about 'what would you do if you were the pres. of the US?' and i just couldnt stand looking at it at all...

and yes, to the world (or those who matter in the international stage anyway) Iraq was a threat, the UN certainly believed that Saddam HAD the weapon, they weren't disputing that, they were more concerned about getting rid of it.

and no Congress will try to stop declaing war on Iran and even though America certainly can afford to go to war with Iran (what they're spending and using right now is just a fraction of American war capabilities), the moral blow would be crippling to the public.
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like i already said,its like talking to religios people,you just keep repeating yourself without
considering the arguments that you hear!and by the way your neighborhood has
nothing to do with this discussion,i had a pretty bad one too.
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I totally agree abel, when you see a threat, take it out. I'm with you. In that way, I can understand why some people initially supported the war. However,


abel89 wrote:

This rest of the world didn't watch terrorists fly planes into some of their most prominent buildings either

this is inaccurate. Almost every other nation has been hit with terrorism in one form or another, the war against terrorism did not start on 9/11 just because Bush says so.

Russia - 'terrorists' who fight for chechnya have killed hundreds
africa - multiple embassies hit by al qaeda
tibet - chinese oppression and many massacres
Sri Lanka- tamil tigres

These are just modern day examples, but this shit has been going on in the actual soil of many countries for generations. This is the first time US soil has actually been touched, (Pearl Harbour aside).

Welcome to the world america.


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^^ its all politics my dear...the Cold War pushed america into paranoid delusions that gave them the incentive to arm and train its future enemies...no one could've perceived this 50 yrs ago.



I understand, but lack of foresight is not an excuse, hundreds of thousands of people like you and me died. If the US is going to make claims that it serves a higher standard 'justice,freedom, etc' then why would it resort to tactics akin to the soviets?
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cbisram wrote:

rhynny wrote:


^^ its all politics my dear...the Cold War pushed america into paranoid delusions that gave them the incentive to arm and train its future enemies...no one could've perceived this 50 yrs ago.



I understand, but lack of foresight is not an excuse, hundreds of thousands of people like you and me died. If the US is going to make claims that it serves a higher standard 'justice,freedom, etc' then why would it resort to tactics akin to the soviets?


because we're all just human. america used to be this great hope of enlightenment for europeans you know, when we're slaughtering each other in europe america was this great product of enlightened minds of Europe who see the continent going to hell, but because of various reasons one of which was intense paranioa, America ended up going the opposite way instead.

and i agree with Abel about the shoot first, ask questions later, because that's the reality we live in...

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