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In both the new and the old testaments.
In new testament an example would be : Matt 10:28 'And fear them not which can the body but are not able to kill the soul, but fear Him that is able to destroy both the body and soul in Hell'

There are numerous accounts in the scriptures in which hell is mentioned alluding to it being a place but essentially it is more of a state.

I researched the 'Hel' also referred as Hela in Latin, the goddess of the Norse underworld.
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Narc_7 wrote:

In both the new and the old testaments.
In new testament an example would be : Matt 10:28 'And fear them not which can the body but are not able to kill the soul, but fear Him that is able to destroy both the body and soul in Hell'

There are numerous accounts in the scriptures in which hell is mentioned alluding to it being a place but essentially it is more of a state.

I researched the 'Hel' also referred as Hela in Latin, the goddess of the Norse underworld.


What Leviathan want to imply is... Hell might not be original from the bible, as the idea of hell.... is in the human's mind since long ago. So it is possible that the idea is just adapted from some other myth.
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tweety_cool wrote:


Narc_7 wrote:

In both the new and the old testaments.
In new testament an example would be : Matt 10:28 'And fear them not which can the body but are not able to kill the soul, but fear Him that is able to destroy both the body and soul in Hell'

There are numerous accounts in the scriptures in which hell is mentioned alluding to it being a not place but essentially it is more of a state.

I researched the 'Hel' also referred as Hela in Latin, the goddess of the Norse underworld.


What Leviathan want to imply is... Hell might not be original from the bible, as the idea of hell.... is in the human's mind since long ago. So it is possible that the idea is just adapted from some other myth.


Oh. That is quite likely. The concept of hell is probably a psychological enigma that stems from the fact mankind cannot accept the thought that atrocities can be committed and there is no form of judicial punishment.
It is a belief that brings solace to the mind that even though villains may go unpunished in life, there is an ineluctable place where justice is served.


It has probably been psychologically concocted by people who cannot accept the though that there is essentially no form of justice.

In all probabilities Leviathan is correct.
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Okay...

I was just pointing out an interesting thing I noticed: in ancient religions, all men shared the same fate regardless of actions on Earth. Even Hades wasn't truly a place of punishment or peace. Obviously it's connected to the arbitrary wielding of power by ancient mythological gods as well and humanity's place within it. Oddly enough, it is the Abrahamic religions that install the idea of a God with moral obligations and rules as well as the belief that human beings were separate and greater than the creation around them.
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Okay...

I was just pointing out an interesting thing I noticed: in ancient religions, all men shared the same fate regardless of actions on Earth. Even Hades wasn't truly a place of punishment or peace. Obviously it's connected to the arbitrary wielding of power by ancient mythological gods as well and humanity's place within it. Oddly enough, it is the Abrahamic religions that install the idea of a God with moral obligations and rules as well as the belief that human beings were separate and greater than the creation around them.


Human wants justice. You should have noticed it by now.
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leviathan343 wrote:

Okay...

I was just pointing out an interesting thing I noticed: in ancient religions, all men shared the same fate regardless of actions on Earth. Even Hades wasn't truly a place of punishment or peace. Obviously it's connected to the arbitrary wielding of power by ancient mythological gods as well and humanity's place within it. Oddly enough, it is the Abrahamic religions that install the idea of a God with moral obligations and rules as well as the belief that human beings were separate and greater than the creation around them.


Human wants justice. You should have noticed it by now.


Humans want meaning in life too. What do you think religion does for mankind?
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tweety_cool wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:

Okay...

I was just pointing out an interesting thing I noticed: in ancient religions, all men shared the same fate regardless of actions on Earth. Even Hades wasn't truly a place of punishment or peace. Obviously it's connected to the arbitrary wielding of power by ancient mythological gods as well and humanity's place within it. Oddly enough, it is the Abrahamic religions that install the idea of a God with moral obligations and rules as well as the belief that human beings were separate and greater than the creation around them.


Human wants justice. You should have noticed it by now.


Humans want meaning in life too. What do you think religion does for mankind?


A noble meaning you mean
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Heaven or Hell is where you will go.
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tweety_cool wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


tweety_cool wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:

Okay...

I was just pointing out an interesting thing I noticed: in ancient religions, all men shared the same fate regardless of actions on Earth. Even Hades wasn't truly a place of punishment or peace. Obviously it's connected to the arbitrary wielding of power by ancient mythological gods as well and humanity's place within it. Oddly enough, it is the Abrahamic religions that install the idea of a God with moral obligations and rules as well as the belief that human beings were separate and greater than the creation around them.


Human wants justice. You should have noticed it by now.


Humans want meaning in life too. What do you think religion does for mankind?


A noble meaning you mean


Noble, immoral, whatever. It's the meaning/purpose that counts.
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leviathan343 wrote:


tweety_cool wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


tweety_cool wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:

Okay...

I was just pointing out an interesting thing I noticed: in ancient religions, all men shared the same fate regardless of actions on Earth. Even Hades wasn't truly a place of punishment or peace. Obviously it's connected to the arbitrary wielding of power by ancient mythological gods as well and humanity's place within it. Oddly enough, it is the Abrahamic religions that install the idea of a God with moral obligations and rules as well as the belief that human beings were separate and greater than the creation around them.


Human wants justice. You should have noticed it by now.


Humans want meaning in life too. What do you think religion does for mankind?


A noble meaning you mean


Noble, immoral, whatever. It's the meaning/purpose that counts.


hmmm... never see anyone try to give themselves an immoral meaning to their life. They must have tried to justify their existence to some extend. lol,
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tweety: to love everybody is NOT a part of every religion. I can't even bother with examples, too many to mention.

Narc: god as love is a concept that may easily be discussed for a long time. It is more mentioned to be Righteous. Scriptures mentions god loving the righteous, not everyone.

jcorp: you don't mention why reincarnation is much less likely than heaven and hell. We think life and the world exists, we do not know that heaven and hell does. Reincarnation takes place in this world we know.
We know that Jesus spoke of Gehenna (hell). This might leas to translation errors. Gehenna was a symbol of hell, but it is geographically just a place, especially cursed, where murderers etc was thrown with (other) garbage. So Jesus might have said : sinners and their actions will just be garbage when they die (i.e. not mentioned as righetous, respected, etc).

Leviathan: hell and Gehenna is mentioned in works like Enoch, Daniel I believe, Ezra, Baruch?, I have seen it mentioned in scriptures before christianity.
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Leviathan: hell and Gehenna is mentioned in works like Enoch, Daniel I believe, Ezra, Baruch?, I have seen it mentioned in scriptures before christianity.


Gehenna is, but it's only one section of Sheol itself (refer to Book of Enoch). If you read the Tanakh, there is no such thing as "Hell"; only Sheol. Not to mention the concept of the afterlife had changed from the Old Testament to the New Testament. Many Jews in Jesus' time believed in a future resurrection of the dead, while the original concept of Sheol held no distinction between the righteous and the unrighteous.
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Levi: maybe not the word "hell", but what we usually associate with hell. Enoch mentions "unending punsihment by angels". Ezra lists up the punishment in Sheol. It may be the wrong word, but it is everything that is associated with hell. The point is: punishment after death, which is what many associate with hell, it is certainly A hell, an afterlife in torture
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I just don't want to go to HELL...No matter which Faith you subscribe to, HELL sucks like nothing else we can begin to imagine! Remember that scene in the movie Constantine where he goes down to Hell to look 4 the twin and the camera does the pan down to that short 3 seconds glimpse into HELL? I WANT NO PART OF THAT NIGHTMARE! that was just a movie guy and girls...the real thing is supposed to be a zillion times worse!
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I think before anyone asks the question about the existence of heaven, hell, purgatory, or reincarnation, you first must ask, 'what is our purpose on earth?'. And even before that, 'is there a purpose for living?'.
Purpose implies certainty. Certainty is a level of probability. Recognizing probability proves certainty and purpose for the two ideas compliment each other. So we can say that there is certainty on earth, and in my opinion even if we cannot fully account for all things with probability we can still be safe to say there is full certainty and things are under control by an outside being if not ourselves (God).
Some say our purpose is to make ourselves happy, that is true. But some believe it must be accomplished on earth for there is no afterlife.


jestorebo wrote:
the point is that the afterlife has some sort of appeal among people, beleieving in sanctions and renewal. I just can't see what can come out of it. People that can do no harm anyway and will not join a better society are being punished = pointless. People who will keep no memories anyway will be reborn = pointless. People that can not progress after being taken in anyway are just experiencing endeless joy = pointless.


This is only part of Jestorebo’s post (on the first page), but he says it seems as if eternal bliss is pointless because we would not want to accomplish anything more. To him it's a bad thing. But is not eternal bliss the idea that we yearn and try to strive too? We wouldn’t need anything else after that. Yet so far, this idea is not found on Earth.
And so if we cannot find such eternal bliss on earth then maybe it must be somewhere else, like the afterlife. From an atheistic standpoint one can say such an ideal is, well, idealistic. But supported texts in the Bible (which I am lazy to look up and other cr users have already quoted to early in this forum) say that such places exist. Heaven is one place and God wants us to be a part of it, though only the worthy are the ones who are welcome, the sinless.
The unwelcomed of course go to Hell for they are hopeless. Since heaven is a place where no sinners reside, where do the hopeful sinners go? The answer is Purgatory, which can be proved by the book of Maccabees in appropriate bibles not created by Protestants who removed the book because so. Those in Purgatory must clean themselves of their sin before going into Heaven. Although Protestants argue that Jesus is the only way to heaven, heaven is for the sinless and it would be only be logical if Jesus brought us from purgatory after we cleanse ourselves of sin.
As for reincarnation, it is a Buddhists concept. The idea is we continue to relive the life cycle over and over again until we completely follow the Eightfold Path. After that we reach the state of nirvana, the afterlife. Either way, heaven or nirvana, the only way to reach eternal bliss is to invest it on earth by doing good things.
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