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Posted 7/28/08
YAY!!! finally... the dude start the zen

1. I never distinguished my philosophy. So... pardon me if you spot western philosophy, as I don't know the difference
2. I never really practice anything LOL
3. As I know less about this, I dare not say a lot about science.

Ok, let's start.
First, I want to comment on the yin yang and one with nature. yin yang means balance. balance of hard and soft, light and dark, good and bad. It is used in widely in every area. What I catch from yin yang is the concept of good and evil. That good and evil is a balance, no good without evil and vice versa. But, my own interpretation is there is no god and evil. They are one. And the meaning of one with universe, is not to center our believe in human. we are nothing compared the universe, whatever we want this universe to be it will always in its own path. Our expectation of this world is useless. So we have to accept what we have here. What we have is not good and evil, it is just it. so this might be acceptance. So we should be happy of what we have, because everything is actually a gift.
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'the monk who sold his ferrari' seems just crazy enough to work. It's a book on philosophy disguised as fiction(though there's little plot whatsoever) and most of the stuff seems pretty applicable in today's world.
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my parents are deep into eastern philosophy. my father is actually an eastern medical doctor, and has been for about 25 years. and let me tell you, if "chi" doesn't exist, somehow the way he manipulates your energy sure matches the theory of it enough to be believable. its truly amazing what he and other practitioners can do for someone.

i have done meditation, which mostly seems like B.S to me. but lately i have found a different form of meditation ( a bit more shamanistic, i must say) that i enjoy a lot. i don't really believe in "enlightenment," and do not expect myself to become "enlightened" in this lifetime at least, but meditation is definitley good for relaxation.

i can't say that eastern ideas are more applicable, because most western ideas tell you how to live in and create a balanced, safe society. eastern ideas have more to do with yourself, and furthering your own level of consciousness(except for confucianism, which is the king of all moral codes, east or west).

i like the theory of eastern ideas more, but i think that western ideas are more practical.
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Posted 7/29/08

tweety_cool wrote:

YAY!!! finally... the dude start the zen

1. I never distinguished my philosophy. So... pardon me if you spot western philosophy, as I don't know the difference
2. I never really practice anything LOL
3. As I know less about this, I dare not say a lot about science.

Ok, let's start.
First, I want to comment on the yin yang and one with nature. yin yang means balance. balance of hard and soft, light and dark, good and bad. It is used in widely in every area. What I catch from yin yang is the concept of good and evil. That good and evil is a balance, no good without evil and vice versa. But, my own interpretation is there is no god and evil. They are one. And the meaning of one with universe, is not to center our believe in human. we are nothing compared the universe, whatever we want this universe to be it will always in its own path. Our expectation of this world is useless. So we have to accept what we have here. What we have is not good and evil, it is just it. so this might be acceptance. So we should be happy of what we have, because everything is actually a gift.



i like your interpretation. you'll notice that on the light/dark sides they each have a spot of the opposite color to show that there is no such thing as "pure good" or "pure evil," and that as they circle around, they each eventually become its opposite, showing, as you said, that they really are part of the same thing.

i just want to say that the yin-yang is one of the most simple, yet complicated symbols EVER. there is SO much stuff related to it in many eastern philosophies, especially the I-Ching. you could write a book explaining the Yin-Yang.
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While the Eastern philosophies dote on the sense of balance and harmony, I would like to point out that two distinct practices derived from such belief. Even though not all Eastern philosophies fall under these two categories, I am going to generalize the ideas as either Buddhism or Taoism and point out the contradiction.

Taoism believes in the flow of nature that is uncontrolled by human actions, similar to the Western Believe of predestination. That is, the harder a person works to achieve what is not meant to be, that person will only disrupt the natural flow and consequently take steps backward.

On the other hand, the Buddhist monks work with diligence so that they can achieve the balance with nature. They stress on practices that strengthen both the body and the mind.

Ah, I lost my train of thought. I guess I'm not in tune with nature.
While creating balance is nice, It is quite infuriating to see people who are so willing to maintain harmony they fail to express their own thoughts. I disagree with the "nail that sticks out gets hammered down" type of attitude, though I'm not saying to pursuit individuality to the extent of hyper-pluralism.

--but I suppose this could be seen to be as a balance of the two.

Damn. I suppose moderation of all things are, well, the answer to all things.
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asian ideas have been heavily abused in the west. all eastern philosophy sound trendy, so they have been reduced to homo club nights ('karma','nirvana','buddha bar' etc.)
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zendude wrote:


tweety_cool wrote:

YAY!!! finally... the dude start the zen

1. I never distinguished my philosophy. So... pardon me if you spot western philosophy, as I don't know the difference
2. I never really practice anything LOL
3. As I know less about this, I dare not say a lot about science.

Ok, let's start.
First, I want to comment on the yin yang and one with nature. yin yang means balance. balance of hard and soft, light and dark, good and bad. It is used in widely in every area. What I catch from yin yang is the concept of good and evil. That good and evil is a balance, no good without evil and vice versa. But, my own interpretation is there is no god and evil. They are one. And the meaning of one with universe, is not to center our believe in human. we are nothing compared the universe, whatever we want this universe to be it will always in its own path. Our expectation of this world is useless. So we have to accept what we have here. What we have is not good and evil, it is just it. so this might be acceptance. So we should be happy of what we have, because everything is actually a gift.


So let me get this straight:
- If one lives, one must also die, as they are the same. If you should experience life, you must do the opposite of each other are they are essentially the same.
- How do you know peace if you never experienced conflict? What life if there is no death? What is the definition of good with the opposite, evil?
- A person is standing on the edge of the cliff (if you want a skyscraper). The person with have two train of thoughts after looking over the edge. One will be that he/she is scared of dying. Another will be that he/she is relieve and experiencing life, excitement and adrenaline rush, because of the taste of death.


Is there any good without evil (which one starts first? lol)? What good is life without death? As one can cherish life if one know what death is, and one can cherish death if one understand what life is.
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Okay, time to get philosophical!

I believe that many concepts of Eastern philosophy can easily be applied to modern life. Meditation, for example (particularly the Zen style of meditation known as Shikantaza, or "just sitting" - something I try to practice but never really seem to do properly ). In this type of meditation, you just sit there, and that's it. You become aware and part of every passing moment, but you never actually judge them. This really helps reduce stress and gets you more focused in what you're doing: you are aware of everything you're doing during your physics exam, you know when you're blindly guessing or when you really know the answer (lol, nice application, huh?)

Also, this philosophy (particularly those of Buddhism and Taoism) help you cope better with life. When you lose a loved one, for example: yes, you do get really sad and cry, but it can help you cope with the actual loss because you are aware that death is just part of life. I'm not saying you become completely emotionless at a funeral, but that you know that it happens to everyone- it's all just part of the natural flow of things.
(METAPHOR TIME!!! The flow of life is like a wind - you can hope for it to change or you can adjust your sails and just follow it to wherever it leads you)

Yup, that's pretty much all I had to say
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bobbingtonian7 wrote:

Okay, time to get philosophical!

I believe that many concepts of Eastern philosophy can easily be applied to modern life. Meditation, for example (particularly the Zen style of meditation known as Shikantaza, or "just sitting" - something I try to practice but never really seem to do properly ). In this type of meditation, you just sit there, and that's it. You become aware and part of every passing moment, but you never actually judge them. This really helps reduce stress and gets you more focused in what you're doing: you are aware of everything you're doing during your physics exam, you know when you're blindly guessing or when you really know the answer (lol, nice application, huh?)


Surprisingly, I can do that very well, hence my name is "zendude." I actually have done it for my study and finals. I finished my Anatomy-260 in only 20 minutes with a 97%. I also use this type of mediation before practicing classical guitar.

I sit down, close my eyes, and breath evenly (no chanting or humming, as those are just silly). I become aware of everything, but I distance myself from it-- balance. I try not to think, as I just let things come to me, so no force is being practiced.


Hehe, guess I just need more practice (gotta go back to practicing every morning - really helps me stay focused in school)

Also, one more thing I'd like to say about common misconceptions concerning karma. Karma is very different from luck, though many people seem to use it as a synonym. Luck is getting a royal straight flush while playing poker, karma is getting a week of suspension for setting your teacher's pants on fire (no, I never did that, it just an example). Karma literally translates to "action" and can be seen as much a part of nature as the law of gravity.

Just thought I'd say that bit more before leaving
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I don't have anything agaimst eastern philosophy, but the way hippies and extremeists like to promote it has alwys rubbed me the wrong way...like there was this one time in high school where in home room we got these packets on yoga that said yoga can cure every disease known to man and mentioned cancer twice like they were desperate for members and are saying that yoga can do anything you want to think it can do do as long as you join.
I like to be open minded about things but that and simmilar events to the one mentioned earlier have made it so even the mention of those things push the wrong buttons for me.
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bobbingtonian7 wrote:

Okay, time to get philosophical!

I believe that many concepts of Eastern philosophy can easily be applied to modern life. Meditation, for example (particularly the Zen style of meditation known as Shikantaza, or "just sitting" - something I try to practice but never really seem to do properly ). In this type of meditation, you just sit there, and that's it. You become aware and part of every passing moment, but you never actually judge them. This really helps reduce stress and gets you more focused in what you're doing: you are aware of everything you're doing during your physics exam, you know when you're blindly guessing or when you really know the answer (lol, nice application, huh?)

Also, this philosophy (particularly those of Buddhism and Taoism) help you cope better with life. When you lose a loved one, for example: yes, you do get really sad and cry, but it can help you cope with the actual loss because you are aware that death is just part of life. I'm not saying you become completely emotionless at a funeral, but that you know that it happens to everyone- it's all just part of the natural flow of things.
(METAPHOR TIME!!! The flow of life is like a wind - you can hope for it to change or you can adjust your sails and just follow it to wherever it leads you)

Yup, that's pretty much all I had to say


here's a little exercise in Indian yoga.
Breathe in deeply. Breathe out. Repeat 4-5 times.
Now take another deep breath with your finger in front of you nose(horizontally, not vertically lol). Breathe out.
Is your breath cold or warm?
It's warm, really warm.
Now try this breathing exercise for half-an-hour and check your breath again.
Not only does your breath cool down, you feel more relaxed and de-stressed.
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