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This will probably piss you off, but that's why I like him. I couldn't care less about gay marriage or Wicca, so that doesn't really bother me about him. What I like about him is ending wars and wanting us to stop spending more money that puts us in debt. I don't dig the state getting involved in peoples' personal affairs and finances.Limited government is always the best government. I like how Bob wants to get rid of the IRS and other wasteful organizations.

I never heard about the whipped cream incident. I would rather have a president who did that, then do a line of coke.(Unless it was off a hooker's ass )


lol, I see what you're saying. But I'd rather prefer for him to stay out of social issues and let the states decide. As for getting rid of the IRS...dang, that's a toughie for me. I thought when Ron Paul suggested it as too extreme...how would the gov't collect its taxes?

But yes, most definitely reduce the government bureaucracy
Posted 7/29/08

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vittoriano wrote:
This will probably piss you off, but that's why I like him. I couldn't care less about gay marriage or Wicca, so that doesn't really bother me about him. What I like about him is ending wars and wanting us to stop spending more money that puts us in debt. I don't dig the state getting involved in peoples' personal affairs and finances.Limited government is always the best government. I like how Bob wants to get rid of the IRS and other wasteful organizations.

I never heard about the whipped cream incident. I would rather have a president who did that, then do a line of coke.(Unless it was off a hooker's ass )


lol, I see what you're saying. But I'd rather prefer for him to stay out of social issues and let the states decide. As for getting rid of the IRS...dang, that's a toughie for me. I thought when Ron Paul suggested it as too extreme...how would the gov't collect its taxes?

But yes, most definitely reduce the government bureaucracy


We would find a way.I don't think He would get rid of it right away, but a gradual with drawl from it. I think a good start would be to get rid of sales tax, nation wide. Look at Nevada and Florida, they have no sales tax and they're both pulling in huge bank.
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vittoriano wrote:
We would find a way.I don't think He would get rid of it right away, but a gradual with drawl from it. I think a good start would be to get rid of sales tax, nation wide. Look at Nevada and Florida, they have no sales tax and they're both pulling in huge bank.


True, but we can only hope.

If Obama wins ---> definitely more taxes in all aspects to pay for more social programs, socialized universal health care, etc
If McCain wins ---> probably also more taxes, maybe more war spending, gov't get even more intrusive...

dang...

here's a link to an interesting article:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080729/pl_bloomberg/anghcq5adqhu
Posted 7/29/08 , edited 7/29/08

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vittoriano wrote:
We would find a way.I don't think He would get rid of it right away, but a gradual with drawl from it. I think a good start would be to get rid of sales tax, nation wide. Look at Nevada and Florida, they have no sales tax and they're both pulling in huge bank.


True, but we can only hope.

If Obama wins ---> definitely more taxes in all aspects to pay for more social programs, socialized universal health care, etc
If McCain wins ---> probably also more taxes, maybe more war spending, gov't get even more intrusive...

dang...


exactly,man. We're going to get screwed either way. We have a shortage of doctors , right now. If Obama wins and we do get universal health care, imagine the long waits people are going to have in the hospital and doctors' offices. Unless you've been stabbed , shot up or having a a heart attack, you're screwed. I have a friend from England and she was telling about how much they pay in taxes and how she waited at her doctor's office 3 and a half hours to get her broken arm looked at. McCain, we know what he's going to waste money on.



About that article, all politicians say stuff like this all the time. Heck, Bush ran on being a"uniter not a divider" and we all saw how that turned out. Anybody can say anything. I could say I'm banging Angelina Jolie, but it doesn't mean that I have (Sad, I know)
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exactly,man. We're going to get screwed either way. We have a shortage of doctors , right now. If Obama wins and we do get universal health care, imagine the long waits people are going to have in the hospital and doctors' offices. Unless you've been stabbed , shot up or having a a heart attack, you're screwed. I have a friend from England and she was telling about how much they pay in taxes and how she waited at her doctor's office 3 and a half hours to get her broken arm looked at. McCain, we know what he's going to waste money on. About that article, all politicians say stuff like this all the time. Heck, Bush ran on being a"uniter not a divider" and we all saw how that turned out. Anybody can say anything. I could say I'm banging Angelina Jolie, but it doesn't mean that I have (Sad, I know)


It's sad how so many people think socialized medicine is a good idea. They list examples of how great universal health care is in Canada or the UK is, but they've never actually been to those countries so they don't know how much it degrades the quality of health care, or how much the tax will be.

lol, true about the uniter part. Our country probably has the worst political schism in decades...whatever happened to compromise?
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i can care less about who wins
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vittoriano wrote:
exactly,man. We're going to get screwed either way. We have a shortage of doctors , right now. If Obama wins and we do get universal health care, imagine the long waits people are going to have in the hospital and doctors' offices. Unless you've been stabbed , shot up or having a a heart attack, you're screwed. I have a friend from England and she was telling about how much they pay in taxes and how she waited at her doctor's office 3 and a half hours to get her broken arm looked at. McCain, we know what he's going to waste money on. About that article, all politicians say stuff like this all the time. Heck, Bush ran on being a"uniter not a divider" and we all saw how that turned out. Anybody can say anything. I could say I'm banging Angelina Jolie, but it doesn't mean that I have (Sad, I know)


It's sad how so many people think socialized medicine is a good idea. They list examples of how great universal health care is in Canada or the UK is, but they've never actually been to those countries so they don't know how much it degrades the quality of health care, or how much the tax will be.

lol, true about the uniter part. Our country probably has the worst political schism in decades...whatever happened to compromise?


Bush just went off the rails. He just got caught up in playing Superman and Captain America, when he failed to realize that real life won't be solved in six issues time. I don't personally think he's the anti-Christ that the media makes him out to be. I just think that he's went off the rails.

I keep hearing the democrats saying that every republican idea has been bad , the last eight years. I agree, but where are their ideas? They don't have any and they, like the republicans, bow down to their radical fringe.
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Bush just went off the rails. He just got caught up in playing Superman and Captain America, when he failed to realize that real life won't be solved in six issues time. I don't personally think he's the anti-Christ that the media makes him out to be. I just think that he's went off the rails.

I keep hearing the democrats saying that every republican idea has been bad , the last eight years. I agree, but where are their ideas? They don't have any and they, like the republicans, bow down to their radical fringe.


Pretty much. The media cozyed up to Bush in the months after 9/11, but after his approval ratings started falling, they dropped him like a ton of bricks. The "hate French" fad is now the "hate Bush" fad.

The Obama team's got its Al Sharptons while McCain's team has its Pat Robertsons. Moderate America has been passed over for the lunatic fringes instead.

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vittoriano wrote:
Bush just went off the rails. He just got caught up in playing Superman and Captain America, when he failed to realize that real life won't be solved in six issues time. I don't personally think he's the anti-Christ that the media makes him out to be. I just think that he's went off the rails.

I keep hearing the democrats saying that every republican idea has been bad , the last eight years. I agree, but where are their ideas? They don't have any and they, like the republicans, bow down to their radical fringe.


Pretty much. The media cozyed up to Bush in the months after 9/11, but after his approval ratings started falling, they dropped him like a ton of bricks. The "hate French" fad is now the "hate Bush" fad.

The Obama team's got its Al Sharptons while McCain's team has its Pat Robertsons. Moderate America has been passed over for the lunatic fringes instead.



If we had never invaded Iraq, I don't think he would be so hated. I will be honest, what turns me off about the democratic party, even more than their socialistic views, is all of the star f#chking that goes on. I don't care what those assholes have to say. I'm from Indiana, we could give less than a damn what Leo Dicaprio or Brad Pitt have to say about issues.
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If we had never invaded Iraq, I don't think he would be so hated. I will be honest, what turns me off about the democratic party, even more than their socialistic views, is all of the star f#chking that goes on. I don't care what those assholes have to say. I'm from Indiana, we could give less than a damn what Leo Dicaprio or Brad Pitt has to say about issues.


I'll agree with the celebrity worship - Hollywood probably has a collection of some of the dumbest people on earth. (Sharon Stone karma?) I find Richard Gere and the Baldwins particularly annoying. These people are actors...if they don't have a degree on government or international relations from their "acting school," then they should stfu about world politics.

The only thing I find my annoying than Hollywood celebs would probably be the far right evangelicals.


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vittoriano wrote:
If we had never invaded Iraq, I don't think he would be so hated. I will be honest, what turns me off about the democratic party, even more than their socialistic views, is all of the star f#chking that goes on. I don't care what those assholes have to say. I'm from Indiana, we could give less than a damn what Leo Dicaprio or Brad Pitt has to say about issues.


I'll agree with the celebrity worship - Hollywood probably has a collection of some of the dumbest people on earth. (Sharon Stone karma?) I find Richard Gere and the Baldwins particularly annoying. These people are actors...if they don't have a degree on government or international relations from their "acting school," then they should stfu about world politics.

The only thing I find my annoying than Hollywood celebs would probably be the far right evangelicals.




They don't bother me as much.I think some of them give my Christian faith a bad name. I just hate the hypocrisy of people telling me not to run my air conditioner in my car, but they're jet setting around the world on their personal jets.

I also get angry with them pointing their self righteous fingers at America over the environment,but they're not saying anything about China. China puts out more pollution into the air , each day, than we do for a month. I guess if Mao would dress up in red, white and blue , then they would bitch him out.
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They don't bother me as much.I think some of them give my Christian faith a bad name. I just hate the hypocrisy of people telling me not to run my air conditioner in my car, but they're jet setting around the world on their personal jets.

I also get angry with them pointing their self righteous fingers at America over the environment,but they're not saying anything about China. China puts out more pollution into the air , each day, than we do for a month. I guess if Mao would dress up in red, white and blue , then they would bitch him out.


True, but the thing about China is they have more people (less pollution pre capita), and they've been polluting only recently (since the 80's).

But the main reason why China and India aren't criticized as much because they're developing countries & trying to improve their living standards. I think that has some justification. Of course, they shouldn't be given a completely free pass.

The worst polluter is probably Australia (I think?). They have the highest pollution rate per capita (most pollution per person) in the world.

But hey, when the oil runs dry, the pollution problem will be partially self correcting.
As for the pollution hypocrites - at least we have people on the other end. ie. Have you read the article on Bill Nye the science guy's house? It's pretty insane:
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080724/LIFE04/807240307
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McCain is old...do we rly need more old presidents?

we should go for the youth man, youth!! and get some black in there..every year its an old white guy, we need someone new and kewl!
Posted 7/29/08 , edited 7/29/08

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vittoriano wrote:
They don't bother me as much.I think some of them give my Christian faith a bad name. I just hate the hypocrisy of people telling me not to run my air conditioner in my car, but they're jet setting around the world on their personal jets.

I also get angry with them pointing their self righteous fingers at America over the environment,but they're not saying anything about China. China puts out more pollution into the air , each day, than we do for a month. I guess if Mao would dress up in red, white and blue , then they would bitch him out.


True, but the thing about China is they have more people (less pollution pre capita), and they've been polluting only recently (since the 80's).

But the main reason why China and India aren't criticized as much because they're developing countries & trying to improve their living standards. I think that has some justification. Of course, they shouldn't be given a completely free pass.

The worst polluter is probably Australia (I think?). They have the highest pollution rate per capita (most pollution per person) in the world.

But hey, when the oil runs dry, the pollution problem will be partially self correcting.
As for the pollution hypocrites - at least we have people on the other end. ie. Have you read the article on Bill Nye the science guy's house? It's pretty insane:
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080724/LIFE04/807240307


I can listen to Bill Nye or Ed about stuff like that. They're not hypocrites, they're actually walking the walk and not just talking about it.

I know about China. I just wish the celebs and the media would point the finger at another country for once. Besides, Austrailia has a lot to answer for. It's because of them, that I have to hear Keith Urban, when I'm walking with my girlfriend in the mall.
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I know about China. I just wish the celebs and the media would point the finger at another country for once. Besides, Austrailia has a lot to answer for. It's because of them, that I have to hear Keith Urban, when I'm walking with my girlfriend in the mall.


lol, true. Damn you Australia for wiping out the whales and your damn hazardous kangaroos! XD
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