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Teaching the Bible in Secular school
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Once, Mrs. Green was teaching history, and started telling stories from the Bible as if they were real history. My sister said "isn't that a violation of the separation between church and state?" Mrs. Green's reply: "DETENTION!" [
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As far as I know about LAUSD it is not illegal to tell stories from the bible as if they are regular history unless there is a obvious move to convert people to Christianity or Judaism, I suppose the same would be true about stories from the Koran but more people would complain about those stories.
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meh w/e -_- i dont believe in em' anyways
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And...what would you like me to do about it?
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Interesting. I always assumed that they kept religion out of school.
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zendude wrote:

Shouldn't this be at Extended Discussions.
Anyways, I hear people carrying torches.

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I am carrying a sword.
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zendude wrote:

Shouldn't this be at Extended Discussions.
Anyways, I hear people carrying torches.

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I really doubt to many people will be discussing it.
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Hana-Lala-Chan wrote:

And...what would you like me to do about it?


oh wow. did you ever take the minute to read the OP or do you shit on a silver platter and serve it here. obviously the person isn't asking what he/she should do more like asking the people in crunchyroll for opinions on this matter. so we people of crunchyroll can discuss about this not solve a problem.
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zendude wrote:

Shouldn't this be at Extended Discussions.
Anyways, I hear people carrying torches.

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Yes I agree.

~moved to Extended Discussion
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Sulla wrote:

Once, Mrs. Green was teaching history, and started telling stories from the Bible as if they were real history. My sister said "isn't that a violation of the separation between church and state?" Mrs. Green's reply: "DETENTION!"
(this came from another thread)

As far as I know about LAUSD it is not illegal to tell stories from the bible as if they are regular history unless there is a obvious move to convert people to Christianity or Judaism, I suppose the same would be true about stories from the Koran but more people would complain about those stories.



according to LAUSD (my school district), if a staff member is going to share religious information, they have to share information about every religion as requested by students.

for example, there is a religion section in the school library, and they have all sorts of religious books in it. but, if they purposely took out the hindu books for example, or refused to add them at a students request, the entire religion section would have to be closed because it doesn't pass the Lemon Test.

government action cannot further or inhibit any religion in order to be lawful. so, if mrs. green wanted to tell stories from the bible, she could, if she would be willing to tell stories from the Eddas, Vedas, and Koran as well. but at the same time, i don't think that would be considered history and she would've been reprimanded by her superiors if she was reported.
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if it's a Christian school, I don't see problems.
Secular schools is another story. They can, as long as other religions and scientific views on a subject are also taught.
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If the bible is taught as history it creates problems, but for history- which people have put too many concepts into already, and for christianity as it will be taught based on historical accuracy rather than message. It can not be taught as true history anyways, as it is not backed enough with evidence. This is not me saying that the bible is histoically inaccurate, I am just saying it is not nearly as backed as usual history studies. Hasn't history suffered enough? Everyone is already making the most ridicolous assumptions, like about the french revolution. Do the christians even want the historical evidence of the bible taken up in the history studies? I can not see what there is to gain. Religion taught as religion I'm sort of fine with, although I guess it shouldn't be pushed on anyone really, but making it a science? Better to have real theological discussions then.
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Sulla wrote:

Once, Mrs. Green was teaching history, and started telling stories from the Bible as if they were real history. My sister said "isn't that a violation of the separation between church and state?" Mrs. Green's reply: "DETENTION!"
[
(this came from another thread)

As far as I know about LAUSD it is not illegal to tell stories from the bible as if they are regular history unless there is a obvious move to convert people to Christianity or Judaism, I suppose the same would be true about stories from the Koran but more people would complain about those stories.

their sister intellectualy won because the teacher was unable to be calm and explain why she was teaching the bible as history. by reacting with unreasable anger she proved that she was trying to push her religion on the class and that thier sister's statement was true. unable to face the truth she abused her authority to make the truth (thier sister) go away.
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I think a lot a people have misconceptions of the bible, it is a history book. Near the end of the New Testiment Peter became the first pope of the Catholic church. That history is recorded in the Vatican and the decendants of the first pope, currently Benedict XVI, just prove more that the bible is recorded history. I mean it would be rediculous for Americans to deny the founding fathers of America, that would be really dumb.
I do in fact recognize that there is seperation of church and state, but this was meant to imply that pure theology shouldn't be taught in primary or secondary schools, history of it should be fine.
I don't really like Mrs. Green's reply but I think what is more important is if she was teaching the bible as pure history or to spread her belief in Christianity.
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Introduction to the religion(in objective manner), YES. In fact american need to know all religion(including Hinduism, Buddha, Taoism, Islam,etc.), as you have a lot type of christianity and other religion, and you guys fought against each other. LOL
teaching the bible(what about the Qur'an?)? NO. That's waste of time, too much to cover.
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Could someone explain secular school to me? My dictionary doesn't know the word.

Anyway, I am really bad at putting my thoughts into coherent sentences, expecially when talking about religion, but I will try.

We had religion classes for years at school and I learned a lot from them. We learned about all of the major religions and some not so major ones and that included reading parts of the bible. The bible is related to so many religions that it is much easier to understand what is going on if you know the basic things about the bible... It also makes spotting all the similarities possible. I think it is extremely important to learn about different religions just to be able to understand other people and sometimes even your own religion. It doesn't matter if you are religious or not, it is such a huge part of everyday life on earth that it is idiotic not to teach it at schools.

In my opinion it is ignorant just to say "god doesn't exist" or "christianity is the only real religion" (just examples) if you don't even know what "god" is or what other religions there is. It is like me saying that drunk driving isn't dangerous when I don't even know how to drive. Also it bothers me how so many people instantly assume that I mean christianity when talking about religion. Heck, many christians I talk to don't even seem to know that there is different branches of christianity. How can you believe in something when you don't even know what it is that you are believing in?
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