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its ok for the bible to be taught as history but not its moral lessons. My Ap euro history teacher taught the bible in a historic way and he's not even Christian


How do you pull that off. Wen a lot of it does not follow real history? Truthfully?


ugh its you again.

Like I said before historians acknowledge the HISTORICAL facts of the Bible, such as existence of the apostles and Jesus. I'm not saying the works they did were were real im just saying they walked on this earth influencing a lot of people. You can deny the existence of Jesus all you want but your just too busy trying to disprove God your even denying the solid facts even athiests acknowledge which shows me that your not wanting to debate at all but just a lowlife trolling around in the forums cuz you have nothing to do.


Uhhg !150% FAIL. real historians do not acknowledge the existence of the apostles or Jesus, there is no evidence for them...! Look it up! Look for real historical evidence for Jesus! Do it, you will find 0!



MY HISTORY TEACHER WAS A EUROPEAN HISTORY MAJOR IN UC SANTA BARBARA, HE TEACHES PARTS OF THE BIBLE AS PARTS OF HIS TEACHING CIRICULUM HES NOT EVEN A CHRISTIAN HE TEACHES THE BIBLE HISTORICALLY NOT MORALLY THE NEW TESTAMENT WAS WRITTEN DURING THE TIME OF CAESAR WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT THE BIBLE HAD THE BIGGEST IMPACT ON MANKIND AND YOU CANT IGNORE THAT

Impact does not make it true...! A lot of people used to believe getting sick was do to evil spirits! Or curses from witches! We know now that that is not true... But in the past that had a big inpact on are world, to the point of burning 600 weman, and children at the stake in one town alone. YOu can teach what Impacts religion had in the past, but do not teach things like Jesus being real wich has no evidence to back it up.



ok then have you seen Caesar before? He lived around Jesus's time period. There is no scientific evidence he existed right? For all you know it could be a huge hoax just to trick the people in the future right?


There is real evidence for Gaius Julius Caesar... Unlike the mythical Jesus Christ, we know what Caesar looked like and we have a complete history of his life. In turn, general, orator, historian, statesman and lawgiver. We have words written by Caesar himself and words written by both his friends and his enemies. Artifacts confirm his life and death, as do his successors. Caesar established a style of government – and a calendar – which endured for centuries.




like I said what if its all a huge hoax, an elaborate scheme just to fool someone named Darkphoenix3450 in the future? exactly I'm not making any sense and you're not either


Wow all that evidence, planted and for what purpos.. Its not like people clame him to be a god.
Yet Jesus is clamed to be a god today, yet there is no evidence for him.


fine for what purpose was Jesus made up? All the apostles died a gruesome death except for John and I think he was still sprayed with hot oil.

The remaining disciples were hunted down, there were no rich people, interested in Christianity at the time, the followers were all poor commoners who had no money so yeah, for what purpose was Jesus "invented" then huh?
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Posted 3/22/09 , edited 3/22/09

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LemonyPanda wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LemonyPanda wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LemonyPanda wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LemonyPanda wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LemonyPanda wrote:

its ok for the bible to be taught as history but not its moral lessons. My Ap euro history teacher taught the bible in a historic way and he's not even Christian


How do you pull that off. Wen a lot of it does not follow real history? Truthfully?


ugh its you again.

Like I said before historians acknowledge the HISTORICAL facts of the Bible, such as existence of the apostles and Jesus. I'm not saying the works they did were were real im just saying they walked on this earth influencing a lot of people. You can deny the existence of Jesus all you want but your just too busy trying to disprove God your even denying the solid facts even athiests acknowledge which shows me that your not wanting to debate at all but just a lowlife trolling around in the forums cuz you have nothing to do.


Uhhg !150% FAIL. real historians do not acknowledge the existence of the apostles or Jesus, there is no evidence for them...! Look it up! Look for real historical evidence for Jesus! Do it, you will find 0!



MY HISTORY TEACHER WAS A EUROPEAN HISTORY MAJOR IN UC SANTA BARBARA, HE TEACHES PARTS OF THE BIBLE AS PARTS OF HIS TEACHING CIRICULUM HES NOT EVEN A CHRISTIAN HE TEACHES THE BIBLE HISTORICALLY NOT MORALLY THE NEW TESTAMENT WAS WRITTEN DURING THE TIME OF CAESAR WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT THE BIBLE HAD THE BIGGEST IMPACT ON MANKIND AND YOU CANT IGNORE THAT

Impact does not make it true...! A lot of people used to believe getting sick was do to evil spirits! Or curses from witches! We know now that that is not true... But in the past that had a big inpact on are world, to the point of burning 600 weman, and children at the stake in one town alone. YOu can teach what Impacts religion had in the past, but do not teach things like Jesus being real wich has no evidence to back it up.



ok then have you seen Caesar before? He lived around Jesus's time period. There is no scientific evidence he existed right? For all you know it could be a huge hoax just to trick the people in the future right?


There is real evidence for Gaius Julius Caesar... Unlike the mythical Jesus Christ, we know what Caesar looked like and we have a complete history of his life. In turn, general, orator, historian, statesman and lawgiver. We have words written by Caesar himself and words written by both his friends and his enemies. Artifacts confirm his life and death, as do his successors. Caesar established a style of government – and a calendar – which endured for centuries.




like I said what if its all a huge hoax, an elaborate scheme just to fool someone named Darkphoenix3450 in the future? exactly I'm not making any sense and you're not either


Wow all that evidence, planted and for what purpos.. Its not like people clame him to be a god.
Yet Jesus is clamed to be a god today, yet there is no evidence for him.


fine for what purpose was Jesus made up? All the apostles died a gruesome death except for John and I think he was still sprayed with hot oil.

The remaining disciples were hunted down, there were no rich people, interested in Christianity at the time, the followers were all poor commoners who had no money so yeah, for what purpose was Jesus "invented" then huh?


DO you have any real evidence that really happen? (did you even think to ask if there even real people?, or what historical facts do you have to base those claims on?)

ON top of that so what, Native Americans hunted down killed off and put in camps, then there forced to worship the christian god. Yet still today you have native americans that still worship there own Ideals.
How is any other religion, or Ideal any different? (They all have followers that give up there lives over something they only have nothing but faith in.)
Trouble is Faith makes people stupid... they kill them self... they kill others... they even blindly follow... all in the name of Faith...

Anyhow we off topic... I put the Native American part in because that was a little history fact that your alloud to talk about religion in it, because religion was part of it.

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Posted 3/22/09

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LemonyPanda wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LemonyPanda wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LemonyPanda wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LemonyPanda wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LemonyPanda wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LemonyPanda wrote:

its ok for the bible to be taught as history but not its moral lessons. My Ap euro history teacher taught the bible in a historic way and he's not even Christian


How do you pull that off. Wen a lot of it does not follow real history? Truthfully?


ugh its you again.

Like I said before historians acknowledge the HISTORICAL facts of the Bible, such as existence of the apostles and Jesus. I'm not saying the works they did were were real im just saying they walked on this earth influencing a lot of people. You can deny the existence of Jesus all you want but your just too busy trying to disprove God your even denying the solid facts even athiests acknowledge which shows me that your not wanting to debate at all but just a lowlife trolling around in the forums cuz you have nothing to do.


Uhhg !150% FAIL. real historians do not acknowledge the existence of the apostles or Jesus, there is no evidence for them...! Look it up! Look for real historical evidence for Jesus! Do it, you will find 0!



MY HISTORY TEACHER WAS A EUROPEAN HISTORY MAJOR IN UC SANTA BARBARA, HE TEACHES PARTS OF THE BIBLE AS PARTS OF HIS TEACHING CIRICULUM HES NOT EVEN A CHRISTIAN HE TEACHES THE BIBLE HISTORICALLY NOT MORALLY THE NEW TESTAMENT WAS WRITTEN DURING THE TIME OF CAESAR WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT THE BIBLE HAD THE BIGGEST IMPACT ON MANKIND AND YOU CANT IGNORE THAT

Impact does not make it true...! A lot of people used to believe getting sick was do to evil spirits! Or curses from witches! We know now that that is not true... But in the past that had a big inpact on are world, to the point of burning 600 weman, and children at the stake in one town alone. YOu can teach what Impacts religion had in the past, but do not teach things like Jesus being real wich has no evidence to back it up.



ok then have you seen Caesar before? He lived around Jesus's time period. There is no scientific evidence he existed right? For all you know it could be a huge hoax just to trick the people in the future right?


There is real evidence for Gaius Julius Caesar... Unlike the mythical Jesus Christ, we know what Caesar looked like and we have a complete history of his life. In turn, general, orator, historian, statesman and lawgiver. We have words written by Caesar himself and words written by both his friends and his enemies. Artifacts confirm his life and death, as do his successors. Caesar established a style of government – and a calendar – which endured for centuries.




like I said what if its all a huge hoax, an elaborate scheme just to fool someone named Darkphoenix3450 in the future? exactly I'm not making any sense and you're not either


Wow all that evidence, planted and for what purpos.. Its not like people clame him to be a god.
Yet Jesus is clamed to be a god today, yet there is no evidence for him.


fine for what purpose was Jesus made up? All the apostles died a gruesome death except for John and I think he was still sprayed with hot oil.

The remaining disciples were hunted down, there were no rich people, interested in Christianity at the time, the followers were all poor commoners who had no money so yeah, for what purpose was Jesus "invented" then huh?


DO you have any real evidence that really happen? (did you even think to ask if there even real people?, or what historical facts do you have to base those claims on?)

ON top of that so what, Native Americans hunted down killed off and put in camps, then there forced to worship the christian god. Yet still today you have native americans that still worship there own Ideals.
How is any other religion, or Ideal any different? (They all have followers that give up there lives over something they only have nothing but faith in.)
Trouble is Faith makes people stupid... they kill them self... they kill others... they even blindly follow... all in the name of Faith...

Anyhow we off topic... I put the Native American part in because that was a little history fact that your alloud to talk about religion in it, because religion was part of it.



then just like for Julius Caesar, there are no historical facts supporting it. Your just fucking stupid your in denial and this conversation is getting nowhere.

Blame the people not the religion. My religion teaches free will and to love your neighbors. Its not my fault those people skipped their bible readings. Just because a few people did some shit using the Bible's name doesn't mean you bash the entire religion. This conversation is stupid and pointless your just trolling around wanting to start shit up cuz your bored and i'm stupid enough to lead you on. W/e this conversation is done and i'm not replying anymore
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LemonyPanda wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LemonyPanda wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LemonyPanda wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LemonyPanda wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LemonyPanda wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LemonyPanda wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LemonyPanda wrote:

its ok for the bible to be taught as history but not its moral lessons. My Ap euro history teacher taught the bible in a historic way and he's not even Christian


How do you pull that off. Wen a lot of it does not follow real history? Truthfully?


ugh its you again.

Like I said before historians acknowledge the HISTORICAL facts of the Bible, such as existence of the apostles and Jesus. I'm not saying the works they did were were real im just saying they walked on this earth influencing a lot of people. You can deny the existence of Jesus all you want but your just too busy trying to disprove God your even denying the solid facts even athiests acknowledge which shows me that your not wanting to debate at all but just a lowlife trolling around in the forums cuz you have nothing to do.


Uhhg !150% FAIL. real historians do not acknowledge the existence of the apostles or Jesus, there is no evidence for them...! Look it up! Look for real historical evidence for Jesus! Do it, you will find 0!



MY HISTORY TEACHER WAS A EUROPEAN HISTORY MAJOR IN UC SANTA BARBARA, HE TEACHES PARTS OF THE BIBLE AS PARTS OF HIS TEACHING CIRICULUM HES NOT EVEN A CHRISTIAN HE TEACHES THE BIBLE HISTORICALLY NOT MORALLY THE NEW TESTAMENT WAS WRITTEN DURING THE TIME OF CAESAR WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT THE BIBLE HAD THE BIGGEST IMPACT ON MANKIND AND YOU CANT IGNORE THAT

Impact does not make it true...! A lot of people used to believe getting sick was do to evil spirits! Or curses from witches! We know now that that is not true... But in the past that had a big inpact on are world, to the point of burning 600 weman, and children at the stake in one town alone. YOu can teach what Impacts religion had in the past, but do not teach things like Jesus being real wich has no evidence to back it up.



ok then have you seen Caesar before? He lived around Jesus's time period. There is no scientific evidence he existed right? For all you know it could be a huge hoax just to trick the people in the future right?


There is real evidence for Gaius Julius Caesar... Unlike the mythical Jesus Christ, we know what Caesar looked like and we have a complete history of his life. In turn, general, orator, historian, statesman and lawgiver. We have words written by Caesar himself and words written by both his friends and his enemies. Artifacts confirm his life and death, as do his successors. Caesar established a style of government – and a calendar – which endured for centuries.




like I said what if its all a huge hoax, an elaborate scheme just to fool someone named Darkphoenix3450 in the future? exactly I'm not making any sense and you're not either


Wow all that evidence, planted and for what purpos.. Its not like people clame him to be a god.
Yet Jesus is clamed to be a god today, yet there is no evidence for him.


fine for what purpose was Jesus made up? All the apostles died a gruesome death except for John and I think he was still sprayed with hot oil.

The remaining disciples were hunted down, there were no rich people, interested in Christianity at the time, the followers were all poor commoners who had no money so yeah, for what purpose was Jesus "invented" then huh?


DO you have any real evidence that really happen? (did you even think to ask if there even real people?, or what historical facts do you have to base those claims on?)

ON top of that so what, Native Americans hunted down killed off and put in camps, then there forced to worship the christian god. Yet still today you have native americans that still worship there own Ideals.
How is any other religion, or Ideal any different? (They all have followers that give up there lives over something they only have nothing but faith in.)
Trouble is Faith makes people stupid... they kill them self... they kill others... they even blindly follow... all in the name of Faith...

Anyhow we off topic... I put the Native American part in because that was a little history fact that your alloud to talk about religion in it, because religion was part of it.



then just like for Julius Caesar, there are no historical facts supporting it. Your just fucking stupid your in denial and this conversation is getting nowhere.

Blame the people not the religion. My religion teaches free will and to love your neighbors. Its not my fault those people skipped their bible readings. Just because a few people did some shit using the Bible's name doesn't mean you bash the entire religion. This conversation is stupid and pointless your just trolling around wanting to start shit up cuz your bored and i'm stupid enough to lead you on. W/e this conversation is done and i'm not replying anymore

Some it was America, the country and its people!
O God! Go back to school!

There is real evidence for Gaius Julius Caesar... Unlike the mythical Jesus Christ, we know what Caesar looked like and we have a complete history of his life. In turn, general, orator, historian, statesman and lawgiver. We have words written by Caesar himself and words written by both his friends and his enemies. Artifacts confirm his life and death, as do his successors. Caesar established a style of government – and a calendar – which endured for centuries.


Or did you forget this already? Need more I can show you A mountain of evidence for Caesar, yet you can't show any evidence for Jesus being a real person. For evrey real piece of evidence you find for Jesus I show you 3 piecs of evidence for Caesar. This will be short being you will find about 0 wen it comes to evidence for Jesus.
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They put me in resource for 4 years when I was 6-10 because I question the bible stories and refuse to do bible study work. My marks were at a barely passing percentage. Then my mom took me out of catholic school and put me in public school. My marks went up 2 grade levels. I've been on the honour role for all four of my high school years and will graduate with a very high GPA. Apparently, my brain was fully developed at an abnormally early age.

Weird coincidence,eh?

I wouldn't mind an ethics class, but the introduction of religious beliefs in my lovely public school system would not sit well with me.
Posted 3/23/09
Well , those character like Moses , Abraham , Joshua , or Jesus most likely to exist in history , it's just that we don't know if their god really exist or not . (THe teacher teaching the bible , but what he is particularly teaching about ?)
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All we did was watch Jesus Christ superstar in religon class last year,everyone can watch that without being ofended as its just some crazy move made by hippies
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I don't think they should teach about the Bible in public schools because they will probably teach it with the secular agenda behind it. I think schools should maybe allow Biblical history classes, but not theology as it does violate church and state and they probably won't teach it from a Christian perspective. If they have classes about religions/worldview or the historicity of the Bible then that's fine, but they shouldn't make those classes mandatory as it does infringe upon religious freedom.
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I don't see the problem, I have studied the holy books of a great many of the worlds religions and it didn't "Convert" me.

Understanding religion is an important part of understanding culture, history and human interaction. This is almost as retarded as saying that you can't teach multiplication because the bible mentions going forth to multiply.
Posted 5/26/09
This is more about a particular experience for me.

When I was about 9 they begun 'religious studies' in school, once a week for an hour. They were option, mind you, but the school didn't exactly provide support for children/families who decided not to let their children learn it. Firstly, why wouldn't they allow their children?
In our school 'religious studies' was simply christianity, no other forms of religion were taught, we were just told about God and Jesus etc (on a side note, I never went for the first year because I learnt keyboard during the same time slot, ha). A particular family my mother told me about were indian, who had their own religion and were not comfortable with their child being taught christianity when it went against their own beliefs. Because they didn't want their child to learn it, they had to come to school and provide their own supervision. But the main problem, in my mind, was the fact they felt it necessary to teach us christianity when there was a church right next to the school (learn outside of school, because we choose to) but also the fact they called it 'religious studies' when there was only one religion. It's a controversial topic, but I don't think the bible should be taught in public schools. People have a right to know of these religions, but when it's taught in a school in this way, it seems somewhat forced. Which is wrong.

I'd agree with a separate class that children had the option to going to, but not the other way around where they had the option of NOT attending. I know that makes it more casual, but in my view the church is where christianity should be taught, not public schools.
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I'm currently taking a class called Society and Religion, and to be honest, it's a class I feel that everyone should take. There's a significant difference between learning about religion and learning a specific religion. Although I'm a very staunch atheist, this class has proven to be fairly interesting and useful because I'm learning about the impacts of religion in society, both good and bad. Why are religions created? How is religion used in different societies? Etc.

But reading the Bible as if it is history is completely retarded.
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Posted 5/28/09 , edited 5/28/09
Its OK to teach ABOUT religions. But a teacher shouldn't teach it as truth.

Just as religions shouldn't be involved with politics
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l am a Catholic, but l don't think it's right to teach the Bible in a public school. The teacher could accidentally insult another culture or tell that something from another religion is wrong. lf you're just saying a tiny thing like what Jesus might have said, to make a student behave better, for example "Love your enemies", then that's okay. lf they start taking whole scriptures from the Bible, or whatever holy book other cultures have, then that's just not allowed.

And that teacher has a very unjust reason to give that kid detention >:o
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Hmm if it's just teaching, I don't see a problem with it. Teaching isn't the same as preaching. They can just treat it as a Bible study, sort of like theology. The course objectives might just emphasize on why passages are interpreted this way. This doesn't mean they are forced unto others as the truth. Treat Bible study as any other subject.
Posted 5/29/09
it's not a problem really. it's just learning about the bible, not enforcing it.

i think it'll be nice if they teach more religions in school, so kids will have a better understanding about that person's religion, & not make assumptions about it.
Posted 6/21/09
Well, I'll say this:

Teaching bible in schools is forcing your religion upon the general public, Which is also: Muslim, Atheist. Buddhist (me), And plenty of other religions i dont feel like listing
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