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marude_dame_na_ossan wrote:


And who exactly is the dealer? We are taking risks not gambling. According to merriam webster gambling is
a: to play a game for money or property b: to bet on an uncertain outcome
A better word for life is a sh*tload of risks, gambling makes it sound too easy.


if that the case, then i think gamble in life apply on b) to bet on an uncertain outcome. i bet my life with the risky decision that i made. the outcome of coz can be uncertain, good or bad.

but i do agree with u, gambling does make life sound too easy.

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Webster said "to bet on an uncertain outcome" is gambling. By that definition we are all betting on an uncertain outcome because life is never certain.

We wager our lives on every decision but we always try to increase the odds in favor of our own predicament. We start with the hand dealt to us and play our cards right and either become successful or not, but each decision made is a risk that can cause us to live long or die young.The way we know we have won this gambling is that we are still alive, and still playing the game. The losers of the gambling in life are dead.

For example, I wager my life by becoming a revolutionary and I'm betting on the outcome that I live to see the coming of dawn. If I die then I've lost, but I'm really skilled at the game so I'm still alive and still playing. It's all a gamble.
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kokomousey wrote:

Koko: *ignores everyone and rolls dice* mina!! look look! a double six!!


Are you an idiot? Rolling dice without a wager is hardly gambling.....
Posted 7/31/08

Fruitspunchsamurai wrote:

Webster said "to bet on an uncertain outcome" is gambling. By that definition we are all betting on an uncertain outcome because life is never certain.

We wager our lives on every decision but we always try to increase the odds in favor of our own predicament. We start with the hand dealt to us and play our cards right and either become successful or not, but each decision made is a risk that can cause us to live long or die young.The way we know we have won this gambling is that we are still alive, and still playing the game. The losers of the gambling in life are dead.

For example, I wager my life by becoming a revolutionary and I'm betting on the outcome that I live to see the coming of dawn. If I die then I've lost, but I'm really skilled at the game so I'm still alive and still playing. It's all a gamble.


Like I said life has a lot of risks and life or death situations but its demeaning to call it gambling because it makes it seem like a game. But its not a matter of skill, there are people born in 3rd world countries that die at birth, how did they lose in the game if they were just born? You are arrogant to say you are skilled at the game, because no one knows when they are going to die. Does your skill control the drunk driver that might run over you? Does your skill determine if the tumor in your head is malignant? Life is not a gamble. It is just a huuuuge amount of risks. Calling it gambling makes it seem like a game but unlike gambling you cannot be "skilled" in life.
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marude_dame_na_ossan wrote:


Fruitspunchsamurai wrote:

Webster said "to bet on an uncertain outcome" is gambling. By that definition we are all betting on an uncertain outcome because life is never certain.

We wager our lives on every decision but we always try to increase the odds in favor of our own predicament. We start with the hand dealt to us and play our cards right and either become successful or not, but each decision made is a risk that can cause us to live long or die young.The way we know we have won this gambling is that we are still alive, and still playing the game. The losers of the gambling in life are dead.

For example, I wager my life by becoming a revolutionary and I'm betting on the outcome that I live to see the coming of dawn. If I die then I've lost, but I'm really skilled at the game so I'm still alive and still playing. It's all a gamble.


Like I said life has a lot of risks and life or death situations but its demeaning to call it gambling because it makes it seem like a game. But its not a matter of skill, there are people born in 3rd world countries that die at birth, how did they lose in the game if they were just born? You are arrogant to say you are skilled at the game, because no one knows when they are going to die. Does your skill control the drunk driver that might run over you? Does your skill determine if the tumor in your head is malignant? Life is not a gamble. It is just a huuuuge amount of risks. Calling it gambling makes it seem like a game but unlike gambling you cannot be "skilled" in life.


Koko: kyu-chan told me that i shouldn't listen to a madao but after all that i think Hasegawa-sensei is making a point!...*squats and continues to throw dice*
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marude_dame_na_ossan wrote:

Like I said life has a lot of risks and life or death situations but its demeaning to call it gambling because it makes it seem like a game. But its not a matter of skill, there are people born in 3rd world countries that die at birth, how did they lose in the game if they were just born?.


The Goddess of luck wasn't on their side. The odds were against them. They started the game with a bad hand and lost at the first play.


You are arrogant to say you are skilled at the game, because no one knows when they are going to die. Does your skill control the drunk driver that might run over you?.


I've been hit many times by cars, I've been shot, stabbed and almost drowned, but in all these instances I chose to live. My will to live pushed me through. That is a skill in and of itself. I fight on through life, I was born in a third world country and in a very, very poor town and yet I played the hand given to me skilled enough that I have a computer with internet access I am not worried about whether I have shelter, food, and work. I never curse my circumstances, I take things with stride and play on. People lose the will to play on and quit, but I never do and that is why I am now in such a good condition. I keep a good mindset and understand that the game can be fun too, so I never lose a positive mindset either. I am not arrogant. I am just skilled. There are many reasons why people die: but unwillingness to change one's circumstances, bad luck, and lack of will to live are the greatest killers of all humans.


Does your skill determine if the tumor in your head is malignant? Life is not a gamble. It is just a huuuuge amount of risks. Calling it gambling makes it seem like a game but unlike gambling you cannot be "skilled" in life.


No, once you have a malignant tumor (which is based on luck) you can choose to either fight it or die. The end result is always the same. Everybody eventually loses but the result isn't the important part. The game what's important. You have to play beautifully until the end.
Posted 7/31/08

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marude_dame_na_ossan wrote:

Like I said life has a lot of risks and life or death situations but its demeaning to call it gambling because it makes it seem like a game. But its not a matter of skill, there are people born in 3rd world countries that die at birth, how did they lose in the game if they were just born?.


The Goddess of luck wasn't on their side. The odds were against them. They started the game with a bad hand and lost at the first play.


You are arrogant to say you are skilled at the game, because no one knows when they are going to die. Does your skill control the drunk driver that might run over you?.


I've been hit many times by cars, I've been shot, stabbed and almost drowned, but in all these instances I chose to live. My will to live pushed me through. That is a skill in and of itself. I fight on through life, I was born in a third world country and in a very, very poor town and yet I played the hand given to me skilled enough that I have a computer with internet access I am not worried about whether I have shelter, food, and work. I never curse my circumstances, I take things with stride and play on. People lose the will to play on and quit, but I never do and that is why I am now in such a good condition. I keep a good mindset and understand that the game can be fun too, so I never lose a positive mindset either. I am not arrogant. I am just skilled. There are many reasons why people die: but unwillingness to change one's circumstances, bad luck, and lack of will to live are the greatest killers of all humans.


Does your skill determine if the tumor in your head is malignant? Life is not a gamble. It is just a huuuuge amount of risks. Calling it gambling makes it seem like a game but unlike gambling you cannot be "skilled" in life.


No, once you have a malignant tumor (which is based on luck) you can choose to either fight it or die. The end result is always the same. Everybody eventually loses but the result isn't the important part. The game what's important. You have to play beautifully until the end.


I was talking about real life too Katsura. First of all there is no Goddess of Luck. You can' fight a malignant tumor you can only believe in yourself. And stop linking life with a simple game! You are being arrogant there is no such thing as being skilled in life, you have not even lived in a poor country before yet you talk as if you are invincible. Face it katsura in real life it doesn't matter if you have strong will to live, sometimes life just doesn't go your way. A ridiculous amount of people die from starvation in this world, it doesn't matter what your mindset is if you can't afford a piece of bread to stay alive. I guess what im really trying to say is stop making life seem like a game and stop calling life a gamble, life is not easy and simple enough to be called a game.
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marude_dame_na_ossan wrote:

I was talking about real life too Katsura. First of all there is no Goddess of Luck..


So was I. In real life I am a revolutionary. And Hey, hey just 'cause you don't believe in a Goddess of Luck, doesn't mean I don't and some other people might too.




You can' fight a malignant tumor you can only believe in yourself.


Yes you can. It's called getting medical treament and chemotherapy and pushing on. My cousin survived 3 remissions before eventually dying but we all eventually die and that's when we lose the game. The point is she played beautifully till the end




And stop linking life with a simple game!


Life is a game. A beautifully poetic game.



You are being arrogant there is no such thing as being skilled in life, you have not even lived in a poor country before yet you talk as if you are invincible.


No I'm proving that even in unfortunate circumstances, you have control over the play. Luck and skill are involved. I'm rather skilled because I took the unfortunate luck I recieved and turned it around with skill and I took it from individual circumstances and more general.



Face it Katsura in real life it doesn't matter if you have strong will to live, sometimes life just doesn't go your way. A ridiculous amount of people die from starvation in this world, it doesn't matter what your mindset is if you can't afford a piece of bread to stay alive



You can't expect for things to be given to you or for things to go your way. That's where the luck is involved. You have to fight. Turn the circumstances you've been dealt and make it into a good play.



I guess what im really trying to say is stop making life seem like a game and stop calling life a gamble, life is not easy and simple enough to be called a game



The game of life is the longest and hardest thing we'll all ever do. Every choice is a gamble, and possibilites where it may lead are boundless, but we can have fun doing it or curse it. That's up to you.
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koko : O_O this class is starting to sound like philosophy of life rather than careers... i think i'm in the wrong class..*scribbles last of notes and leaves* Oh! here's 500 yen for Hasegawa-sensei!
Posted 7/31/08 , edited 7/31/08

Fruitspunchsamurai wrote:


marude_dame_na_ossan wrote:

I was talking about real life too Katsura. First of all there is no Goddess of Luck..


So was I. In real life I am a revolutionary. And Hey, hey just 'cause you don't believe in a Goddess of Luck, doesn't mean I don't and some other people might too.




You can' fight a malignant tumor you can only believe in yourself.


Yes you can. It's called getting medical treament and chemotherapy and pushing on. My cousin survived 3 remissions before eventually dying but we all eventually die and that's when we lose the game. The point is she played beautifully till the end




And stop linking life with a simple game!


Life is a game. A beautifully poetic game.



You are being arrogant there is no such thing as being skilled in life, you have not even lived in a poor country before yet you talk as if you are invincible.


No I'm proving that even in unfortunate circumstances, you have control over the play. Luck and skill are involved. I'm rather skilled because I took the unfortunate luck I recieved and turned it around with skill and I took it from individual circumstances and more general.



Face it Katsura in real life it doesn't matter if you have strong will to live, sometimes life just doesn't go your way. A ridiculous amount of people die from starvation in this world, it doesn't matter what your mindset is if you can't afford a piece of bread to stay alive



You can't expect for things to be given to you or for things to go your way. That's where the luck is involved. You have to fight. Turn the circumstances you've been dealt and make it into a good play.



I guess what im really trying to say is stop making life seem like a game and stop calling life a gamble, life is not easy and simple enough to be called a game



The game of life is the longest and hardest thing we'll all ever do. Every choice is a gamble, and possibilites where it may lead are boundless, but we can have fun doing it or curse it. That's up to you.


You are confusing things
this is what you are saying
1: Life is a game
2:People can be skilled in life
I am saying
1: Life is not a game
2: People cannot be skilled in life

Let me explain. Games are things meant to amuse or pass time (they are the same thing), while in life you are trying to fight against time. People cannot be skilled in a game, but they can maintain a positive attitude. Let me show you why: My friend and I play the board game "baduk" with each other (also known as igo). I am more skilled than him and I beat him every time we play, but he maintains a positive attitude every time we play, In baduk a skilled person can control the flow of the game while somone like my friend can only take what's given to him. That is the same thing that occurs in life, the only difference being that no human can control their life the way you can control a game of baduk, however you can maintain a positive attitude and believe in yourself.

I guess this is what it boils down to:
1. Stop calling life a game,
and
2. Being skilled in life is not the same as having a strong will and positive attitude because there are things that you cannot control, in the end we can only take what we can reach and not a centimeter more.

I hope you understand that I only used the baduk metaphor because of the way you believed life is a beautiful game just like baduk.
I also do not mean to offend you.
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marude_dame_na_ossan wrote

Games are things meant to amuse or pass time (they are the same thing), while in life you are trying to fight against time.



Ahhh so that's why....We have a complete difference in mindsets altogether. I am an optimist so I believe that life is mostly time meant to amuse ourselves but that struggles exist too. I believe life is not all about struggles because it's about happiness too. The happy moments, the sad moments. In a game you have all of those raw emotions. You are still battling but it is nothing as somber as a battlefield. You believe life is a struggle against time, and I believe life is a card game because our viewpoint on life is completely different.



People cannot be skilled in a game, but they can maintain a positive attitude. Let me show you why: My friend and I play the board game "baduk" with each other (also known as igo). I am more skilled than him and I beat him every time we play, but he maintains a positive attitude every time we play, In baduk a skilled person can control the flow of the game while somone like my friend can only take what's given to him. That is the same thing that occurs in life, the only difference being that no human can control their life the way you can control a game of baduk, however you can maintain a positive attitude and believe in yourself.



That's another point in where we differ. You believe that everything in life is outside of our control, but I beleive it's nothing so naive as that. It again is like a card game. We are dealt a hand of cards to start, but it is our job to take that hand and play it the best way that we can. To believe everything is outside of our control is a dangerous way of thinking because all of our choices are ultimately made by us. It is our responsibility. We lead ourselves into a new tomorrow. Even things that seem outside of our control are not entirely out of our control. I used to think that everything is out of our control but I don't anymore. I opened my eyes and saw what the world can give you. When someone makes a decision that I don't agree with I wondered why they did it, it's because they have control of their own life.

For example, a person gets leukemia, there are two options, they can recieve treatment and try and fight the disease, or they can resign themself to death. It is within their control even though the illness itself was not that's where the luck factor of a card game comes up. For Example Christian Scientists refuse all forms of medical treatment but prayer even in the most lethal circumstances, they do so because it is within their control to do so. That is how they play the game. Eventually they may die from the hand that they are playing, but even then they have played beautifully. Every life is like that. Everyone ultimately has control over their own game, but not the hand their given to play with. The dealer controls the hand, the players control the play. We are all players in the game of life.




I hope you understand that I only used the baduk metaphor because of the way you believed life is a beautiful game just like baduk.
I also do not mean to offend you.


I am not offended at all, I'm rather pleased actually...
Posted 7/31/08

Fruitspunchsamurai wrote:


marude_dame_na_ossan wrote

Games are things meant to amuse or pass time (they are the same thing), while in life you are trying to fight against time.



Ahhh so that's why....We have a complete difference in mindsets altogether. I am an optimist so I believe that life is mostly time meant to amuse ourselves but that struggles exist too. I believe life is not all about struggles because it's about happiness too. The happy moments, the sad moments. In a game you have all of those raw emotions. You are still battling but it is nothing as somber as a battlefield. You believe life is a struggle against time, and I believe life is a card game because our viewpoint on life is completely different.



People cannot be skilled in a game, but they can maintain a positive attitude. Let me show you why: My friend and I play the board game "baduk" with each other (also known as igo). I am more skilled than him and I beat him every time we play, but he maintains a positive attitude every time we play, In baduk a skilled person can control the flow of the game while somone like my friend can only take what's given to him. That is the same thing that occurs in life, the only difference being that no human can control their life the way you can control a game of baduk, however you can maintain a positive attitude and believe in yourself.



That's another point in where we differ. You believe that everything in life is outside of our control, but I beleive it's nothing so naive as that. It again is like a card game. We are dealt a hand of cards to start, but it is our job to take that hand and play it the best way that we can. To believe everything is outside of our control is a dangerous way of thinking because all of our choices are ultimately made by us. It is our responsibility. We lead ourselves into a new tomorrow. Even things that seem outside of our control are not entirely out of our control. I used to think that everything is out of our control but I don't anymore. I opened my eyes and saw what the world can give you. When someone makes a decision that I don't agree with I wondered why they did it, it's because they have control of their own life.

For example, a person gets leukemia, there are two options, they can recieve treatment and try and fight the disease, or they can resign themself to death. It is within their control even though the illness itself was not that's where the luck factor of a card game comes up. For Example Christian Scientists refuse all forms of medical treatment but prayer even in the most lethal circumstances, they do so because it is within their control to do so. That is how they play the game. Eventually they may die from the hand that they are playing, but even then they have played beautifully. Every life is like that. Everyone ultimately has control over their own game, but not the hand their given to play with. The dealer controls the hand, the players control the play. We are all players in the game of life.




I hope you understand that I only used the baduk metaphor because of the way you believed life is a beautiful game just like baduk.
I also do not mean to offend you.


I am not offended at all, I'm rather pleased actually...


You completely misunderstood me. It would be ridiculous to believe that nothing is within our control, I am not a Christian extremist if that's what you are saying. And I believe you are mistaken, people can only feel happiness with struggles, Why? because life is not perfect and we like it that way, I'm not saying people like being sick, but that going through struggles is the only way to happiness. I think that both of our views are extreme. We cannot control everything but we cannot control nothing. We do not have control of what cards we are given, but we are in control of how we play them. This is what i believe though you might have misunderstood me before.
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