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Hey first thread here but anyway topic title is straightforward. Basically the Jin dynasty that I am talking for those who might not know is the one after the 3 Kingdoms era. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong but basic info is that one of Sima Yi's desendents (for know since i can't remember if it was his grandson or son) took over Wei kingdom and transformed it into the Jin. The event that marked the end was when Wu was taken over . No other powers if any would have the strength to even rebel against the Jin. Anyway for me I think that Wu fell mostly due to the idiocy of Sun Quan's granson who was basically tyrannical to the point that the citizens of Wu allowed them in. In terms of events that may have allowed this, going back aways to important battles concerning Wei would be needed and unfortunate events like Zhuge Liang's death. In any thought this would be interesting and I'd post it up. In any case I am asking if anyone thinks that the Jin Dynasty could have been prevented and another dynasty could have been born?
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Posted 8/3/08 , edited 8/4/08

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Hey first thread here but anyway topic title is straightforward. Basically the Jin dynasty that I am talking for those who might not know is the one after the 3 Kingdoms era. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong but basic info is that one of Sima Yi's desendents (for know since i can't remember if it was his grandson or son) took over Wei kingdom and transformed it into the Jin. The event that marked the end was when Wu was taken over . No other powers if any would have the strength to even rebel against the Jin. Anyway for me I think that Wu fell mostly due to the idiocy of Sun Quan's granson who was basically tyrannical to the point that the citizens of Wu allowed them in. In terms of events that may have allowed this, going back aways to important battles concerning Wei would be needed and unfortunate events like Zhuge Liang's death. In any htought this would be interesting and I'd post it up.


alright, you know, I'm very happy that you posted a thread, and I'm pretty sure that its probably all correct (but I'm not well versed in Chinese history so my opinion is speculation) but to tell you the truth, its not the easiest thread to post in. Most people here have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe if you provided a hyper-link so we could read up on it in further depth it would be helpful. If you could also provide the question being asked in the opening post at the appropriate spot people might be able to make more sense of it.

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Please continue to participate. I'm just offering some suggestions so more people will post here.
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Posted 8/4/08
Mace, that's Chinese history, not Japanese.

Very good post. It isn't the easiest to post in, but it is very informative. I am not too well versed on Chinese history sadly.

Mace has a good idea about providing sources for information.

You're a very welcome addition to the group.
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Posted 8/4/08 , edited 8/4/08
sorry, didn't do any research before posting- I just assume Japanese and that usually works.

I'm obviously not to versed in Chinese history either. Should have picked that up through the names though...
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Honest mistake, mate.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Kingdoms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jin_Dynasty_%28265-420%29

Here are some wiki links that has some basic information. Sorry about that should have put something liek this in my first post.
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kokonryuu wrote:

Hey first thread here but anyway topic title is straightforward. Basically the Jin dynasty that I am talking for those who might not know is the one after the 3 Kingdoms era. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong but basic info is that one of Sima Yi's desendents (for know since i can't remember if it was his grandson or son) took over Wei kingdom and transformed it into the Jin. The event that marked the end was when Wu was taken over . No other powers if any would have the strength to even rebel against the Jin. Anyway for me I think that Wu fell mostly due to the idiocy of Sun Quan's granson who was basically tyrannical to the point that the citizens of Wu allowed them in. In terms of events that may have allowed this, going back aways to important battles concerning Wei would be needed and unfortunate events like Zhuge Liang's death. In any htought this would be interesting and I'd post it up.


alright, you know, I'm very happy that you posted a thread, and I'm pretty sure that its probably all correct (but I'm not well versed in Chinese history so my opinion is speculation) but to tell you the truth, its not the easiest thread to post in. Most people here have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe if you provided a hyper-link so we could read up on it in further depth it would be helpful. If you could also provide the question being asked in the opening post at the appropriate spot people might be able to make more sense of it.

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Please continue to participate. I'm just offering some suggestions so more people will post here.


Thanks for your input. I appreciate it.
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Posted 8/6/08
hmm I do not know much about this dynasty. so no comments but one day I think I'll look it up. I am not big on chinese history
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kokonryuu wrote:

Hey first thread here but anyway topic title is straightforward. Basically the Jin dynasty that I am talking for those who might not know is the one after the 3 Kingdoms era. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong but basic info is that one of Sima Yi's desendents (for know since i can't remember if it was his grandson or son) took over Wei kingdom and transformed it into the Jin. The event that marked the end was when Wu was taken over . No other powers if any would have the strength to even rebel against the Jin. Anyway for me I think that Wu fell mostly due to the idiocy of Sun Quan's granson who was basically tyrannical to the point that the citizens of Wu allowed them in. In terms of events that may have allowed this, going back aways to important battles concerning Wei would be needed and unfortunate events like Zhuge Liang's death. In any thought this would be interesting and I'd post it up. In any case I am asking if anyone thinks that the Jin Dynasty could have been prevented and another dynasty could have been born?


Okay first question are you talking about preventing the western or eastern half? These were two different groups that are usually clumped together. The two factions are normally separated in history classes because the social and ruling styles were completely different. In either way my answer would be no, the Jinn Dynasty's Eastern Court could not have been stopped at the time, too many people welcomed them allowing for unification. The Western Court, yes could have been stopped by the Hans; however, the Hans and Jinn Dynasty averted this by intermarriage, for many hundred years. The Hans could have trampled upon the Western Court allowing another family or the previously defeated family's or themselves to rule instead. In the end though the Dynasty still fell sort of when the Sixteen Kingdoms banded together in the North and took back their lands. *NOTE: The Sixteen Kingdoms of Northern China was predominantly made of noble family's that had been upsurged by the Jinn Dynasty in 200+ year history. *

Secondary note there are four periods in Chinese history that have a Jin Dynasty. The one this topic pertains too is the Jinn Dynasty from 265-420B.C. Most people also spell it Jin but it should be Jinn.
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