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Well in here I'll just give out some topics every week that we can argue about... the kinds of topic may be anything as long as its in real life.. sample: love life, politics, friendship, economy, etc... if you have an good idea for the topic, just tell me...

For this week's topic: ABOUT VALUE OF LIFE

I had some stupid discussion with one of the member here in CR and our topic was about this... to give you a specific idea about the topic, these are the Main questions...

Value of life.. is it equal or not???

Do you deserve to get killed if you killed another person???

Do you think this is right??


My outlook is prevention. I'll completely destroy the person who thinks about hurting other people. Less people are hurt in a world where my theory functions properly.


I'm stopping the person from commiting the sin he plans to commit. It doesn't matter if he was able to kill those people. What does matter was that he planned to and that those innocent people are in danger. It's a theory that's near perfect because more lives would be saved at the expense of the life that would end those other lives.


\anyways thats for it as of now.. I'll update this again ^_^ hoping to have good arguments with you guys..

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for me life is valuable. very
but if one doesnt treasure his own life, one should evade from giving trouble to other people. what i mean is. it's okay to kill a criminals instead of putting them in jail. coz it's good to control human population that way and it could save more innocent ppl.
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for me life is valuable. very
but if one doesnt treasure his own life, one should evade from giving trouble to other people. what i mean is. it's okay to kill a criminals instead of putting them in jail. coz it's good to control human population that way and it could save more innocent ppl.


but killing them dosen'T bring back the people they killed... and another thing is don't you think that's not enough for his sins? because dying is an easy task.. you just die.. thats all.. I mean we don't know what's ahead when we die but killing him is taking his chances for changing... and don't you think its better if he lives and make up for his sins the rest of his life even if he knows its not enough?
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well, one should aware of that before one commit it. it's forgivable to a thieve or stalker. lol
but serial criminals, rapers...they are just hard to be forgiven. basicly what i mean is like this.
in 10 ppl, 1 is a drug-addict. so, shouldnt the other 9 get rid of him before he did something terrible to them? so it's ok to sacrifice a life for the sake of 9 ppl happiness.
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jiggs_91290141 wrote:

Well in here I'll just give out some topics every week that we can argue about... the kinds of topic may be anything as long as its in real life.. sample: love life, politics, friendship, economy, etc... if you have an good idea for the topic, just tell me...

For this week's topic: ABOUT VALUE OF LIFE

I had some stupid discussion with one of the member here in CR and our topic was about this... to give you a specific idea about the topic, these are the Main questions...

Value of life.. is it equal or not???

Do you deserve to get killed if you killed another person???

Do you think this is right??


My outlook is prevention. I'll completely destroy the person who thinks about hurting other people. Less people are hurt in a world where my theory functions properly.


I'm stopping the person from commiting the sin he plans to commit. It doesn't matter if he was able to kill those people. What does matter was that he planned to and that those innocent people are in danger. It's a theory that's near perfect because more lives would be saved at the expense of the life that would end those other lives.


\anyways thats for it as of now.. I'll update this again ^_^ hoping to have good arguments with you guys..



hey, is this inspiration from our "hihihi" guy?? lols.... u know who he is!! =P
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YEAH!! I just wanted to see if what other people thinks about it.. ^_^

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well, one should aware of that before one commit it. it's forgivable to a thieve or stalker. lol
but serial criminals, rapers...they are just hard to be forgiven. basicly what i mean is like this.
in 10 ppl, 1 is a drug-addict. so, shouldnt the other 9 get rid of him before he did something terrible to them? so it's ok to sacrifice a life for the sake of 9 ppl happiness.


get rid of him??? hmmm.... u are... too ... okies, perhaps, slightly extreme...

i'll say that i'll capture that guy and try to help him. i will not kill him, because there is a chance, so long as he keeps this life, to help the world become a better world. my way of thinking comes down to these:

1) there is a chance that with the right help, he may turn over a new leaf, and thus try his best to make up for what he has done

2) in time of extreme situations, he may turn for the good and help others

3) Which means that, he is someone who needs help. not someone who deserves to die. i dun believe there is anyone who deserves to die.

4) finally, i will not kill him cos i can contain him! i can make sure that i can contain him while i try to help and correct him.


to answer jiggs' qns, i would like to quote cagalli of gundam seed:


to kill someone because he killed someone, to get killed because you killed someone... how can peace be attained with this kinda twisted thinking?


in this case, it is not as extreme as killing because of someone killed or something like that. but then. killing in itself is a wrong thing. who are we to determine if someone deserves to be killed? even if it is for the protection of others, can it not be that u make sure that he dun harm others? instead of thinking of "lets try to prevent him from killing", you are thinking here, "lets kill him to stop him from harming others"

in the end, we are not "gods". there is no such thing as "gods". so who are we to kill someone? there are other methods of preventing something, and not limited to killing. so lets not play "god" here =)
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YEEEEY! a very good answer indeed ^_^ how I wish I can express like you.. lol.. I'm really not good with english you know =_=
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YEEEEY! a very good answer indeed ^_^ how I wish I can express like you.. lol.. I'm really not good with english you know =_=


well, first of all, i "pride" myself to think that i am more clever than to only limit mytself to an option.

second, i feel that there are possiblilties in the worse scenarios. so dun kill all ur horses just because they contracted AIDS or something like that.. ahhas

finally, when u kill someone, u affected another person who is close to him, and also urself. u may b unableto suffer from the emotional stuffs... so dun give urself trouble.

*ahhas, that AIDS is a joke.
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i'll say that i'll capture that guy and try to help him. i will not kill him, because there is a chance, so long as he keeps this life, to help the world become a better world. my way of thinking comes down to these:

we can help him. but that doesnt assure he's gonna help us. capture the criminals? wel,, government can save lot's of money for other good people expenses. a lot!


1) there is a chance that with the right help, he may turn over a new leaf, and thus try his best to make up for what he has done

the chance is 50:50, there's still many good people can help each other. so his/her existence is not really needed.

2) in time of extreme situations, he may turn for the good and help others

same as above, it's 50:50 situation. the word 'may' of yours explain it.

3) Which means that, he is someone who needs help. not someone who deserves to die. i dun believe there is anyone who deserves to die.

ofcourse no one deserves to die. but he should aware that crime needs zero tolerance. they should aware of that before they do it. do you want someone who rape ur mom to death to be forgiven? NO! Absolutely not.

4) finally, i will not kill him cos i can contain him! i can make sure that i can contain him while i try to help and correct him.

how can u be so sure when u cant even predict tomorrow? that's just another way for u to pleasant yourself. Anyone can give him counseling or what ever it is. but will his heart accept it? still, it's for him to decide. so, criminals existance just not really needed. they are burden to society. imagin how many poor can the government help if there arent many ppl in jail.
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we can help him. but that doesnt assure he's gonna help us. capture the criminals? wel,, government can save lot's of money for other good people expenses. a lot!

hmm. save the money and use it for what? how can u kill away the chance for the guy to turn over the new leaf? and the money is going to be used anyway, even if there is no crime, common sense wud tell a person that he needs to have a good security system, and that needs money.



the chance is 50:50, there's still many good people can help each other. so his/her existence is not really needed.

the chance is always 50:50. if someone is to give u 50% chance to live, after commiting a crime, would u do it? Even the worse of the humans is still called humans.. with humanity.


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but he should aware that crime needs zero tolerance. they should aware of that before they do it. do you want someone who rape ur mom to death to be forgiven? NO! Absolutely not.


zero tolerance does not equates to death. zero tolerance merely means that we do not want any crimes, and if u do, we'll do sth to u. not necessarily death. yes, i wud want him to be forgiven, cos it is my mother. if no one forgives him, his act shall be in our minds forever, and i wish not to torture my mother further w such memories. and myself too. sides, even if i can;t forgive him, i dun wish for his death.



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how can u be so sure when u cant even predict tomorrow? that's just another way for u to pleasant yourself. Anyone can give him counseling or what ever it is. but will his heart accept it? still, it's for him to decide. so, criminals existance just not really needed. they are burden to society. imagin how many poor can the government help if there arent many ppl in jail.


hahas, the thing is, u never know if u never try. their existance is not really needed, true. but it is inevitable that they exists. it is an undenyable fact. even if u kill all the criminals one day, more will become criminals another day. so give them a chance.

help the poor? hmm.. i thikn the govt is more interested in trying to generate more money for the economy! or for themselves. help the poor, u say, but what can the govt really do? if things were so easy, they wud be done already. this world would be a much simple world.
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Aegis85 wrote:

we can help him. but that doesnt assure he's gonna help us. capture the criminals? wel,, government can save lot's of money for other good people expenses. a lot!

hmm. save the money and use it for what?

did u read my post clearly? we can save lots of people who live in poverty. repair broken buildings and help sceintist do researches


the chance is always 50:50. if someone is to give u 50% chance to live, after commiting a crime, would u do it? Even the worse of the humans is still called humans.. with humanity.

human who kill another human dont have humanity.

zero tolerance does not equates to death. zero tolerance merely means that we do not want any crimes, and if u do, we'll do sth to u. not necessarily death. yes, i wud want him to be forgiven, cos it is my mother. if no one forgives him, his act shall be in our minds forever, and i wish not to torture my mother further w such memories. and myself too. sides, even if i can;t forgive him, i dun wish for his death.

yes. zero tolerance doesnt mean death but there shouldnt a tolerance for criminal. what i'm saying is, it's easier is the criminals were clean up rather than we keep them. it saves lot's of time and money for government too. they are burden to society. tell u what. i want a raise in my salary, if there are less criminals in this world, i might have my raise earlier, food, oil & gas product would be cheaper too.



hahas, the thing is, u never know if u never try. their existance is not really needed, true. but it is inevitable that they exists. it is an undenyable fact. even if u kill all the criminals one day, more will become criminals another day. so give them a chance.

it's true i will never know if i never try. but i've tried! u say "if u kill all the criminals one day, more will become criminals another day". that's a total ignorance. number of criminals will increase. that's very stupid decision. that is like u found a virus in ur pc and u just quarantine it. isnt better if u remove the virus once it came? ur not gonna wait for another virus to come to fill ur pc.

help the poor? hmm.. i thikn the govt is more interested in trying to generate more money for the economy! or for themselves. help the poor, u say, but what can the govt really do? if things were so easy, they wud be done already. this world would be a much simple world.

that's right! things can get easier if the criminals are wipe out from this world. the government arent stupid ppl. they know ppl decide who's gonna be part of goventment that's why they help poor ppl. and u r short minded to say "govt is more interested in trying to generate more money for the economy! or for themselves. help the poor, u say, but what can the govt really do? " coz governtment consist lots of people. it's the head of the [email protected] who do such thing. but not all of them. and "what can the goventment really do?" well, they can help the poor to get a better place to live, give them life expenses, help sick people to get medical help and many more.

so why do u need to spend money to help the the criminals when u can save lot's of good ppl who in need?
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did u read my post clearly? we can save lots of people who live in poverty. repair broken buildings and help sceintist do researches


Yes, i did. If I din, I would not be able to respond to you. The Govts and other organisations are already doing all these stuff. But that does not mean the world improves. the world is not persistently locked in a demoralised state, and these are some of the factors that helped. Even if it is other kinds of "improvements", you think the people are not doing enough? Even if there are more money, the govt would not be spending it on other stuffs. this is reality. in USA itself, the govt is spending more money on military than on education, and see what happens in iraq?



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human who kill another human dont have humanity.

i beg to differ. There are different cases for different person. What if it is accidental killing? and even if there is a human that kills another human, cos he is insane or other mental problems? what abt that? ppl with mental problems need our care and concern as well. and they hv humanity.



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yes. zero tolerance doesnt mean death but there shouldnt a tolerance for criminal. what i'm saying is, it's easier is the criminals were clean up rather than we keep them. it saves lot's of time and money for government too. they are burden to society. tell u what. i want a raise in my salary, if there are less criminals in this world, i might have my raise earlier, food, oil & gas product would be cheaper too.

for once, i am speechless. Let me attempt .... First of all, u said, "clean up"? Then i can savely tell u that they can never be "clean up". and if it is just for u, or other humans, to hv an easier time, then it is most absolutely not worth the effort. because it is unjust and inhuman. sure, if u can get a raise in ur salary, go ahead! but then, i can also tell you that oil prices has nothing to do with criminals. perhaps you can do a bit of research in that area? and perhaps u watch too much death note?


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it's true i will never know if i never try. but i've tried! u say "if u kill all the criminals one day, more will become criminals another day". that's a total ignorance. number of criminals will increase. that's very stupid decision. that is like u found a virus in ur pc and u just quarantine it. isnt better if u remove the virus once it came? ur not gonna wait for another virus to come to fill ur pc.

Opps! i think u misunderstood. what i mean, is that there will be criminals in this world -like it or not. If u are lucky, u dun meet them. If u are unlucky, you meet them. that is all. even if i "clear" them, they will still exist. that is all. and a virus is a bad example. they are different in nature.


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that's right! things can get easier if the criminals are wipe out from this world. the government arent stupid ppl. they know ppl decide who's gonna be part of goventment that's why they help poor ppl. and u r short minded to say "govt is more interested in trying to generate more money for the economy! or for themselves. help the poor, u say, but what can the govt really do? " coz governtment consist lots of people. it's the head of the [email protected] who do such thing. but not all of them. and "what can the goventment really do?" well, they can help the poor to get a better place to live, give them life expenses, help sick people to get medical help and many more.


short minded? i think i am more practical. there will always be more way to help ppl, and criminals will not forever be the main concerns of govt. they would be more interested in simulating the economy, for the "better of the ppl in the countries", or so they always say.


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so why do u need to spend money to help the the criminals when u can save lot's of good ppl who in need?

now u stumped me. define good?
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Aegis85 wrote:

did u read my post clearly? we can save lots of people who live in poverty. repair broken buildings and help sceintist do researches

Yes, i did. If I din, I would not be able to respond to you. The Govts and other organisations are already doing all these stuff. But that does not mean the world improves. the world is not persistently locked in a demoralised state, and these are some of the factors that helped. Even if it is other kinds of "improvements", you think the people are not doing enough? Even if there are more money, the govt would not be spending it on other stuffs. this is reality. in USA itself, the govt is spending more money on military than on education, and see what happens in iraq?

that's becoz usa gov are different from oters. they are bad examples. but that's becoz of the 'head' not the entire. and ofcourse they are already doing those kind of stuff but it doesnt seem enough.


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human who kill another human dont have humanity.

i beg to differ. There are different cases for different person. What if it is accidental killing? and even if there is a human that kills another human, cos he is insane or other mental problems? what abt that? ppl with mental problems need our care and concern as well. and they hv humanity.

accidental are different that's why there's judgment. and they arent call criminals.

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yes. zero tolerance doesnt mean death but there shouldnt a tolerance for criminal. what i'm saying is, it's easier is the criminals were clean up rather than we keep them. it saves lot's of time and money for government too. they are burden to society. tell u what. i want a raise in my salary, if there are less criminals in this world, i might have my raise earlier, food, oil & gas product would be cheaper too.

for once, i am speechless. Let me attempt .... First of all, u said, "clean up"? Then i can savely tell u that they can never be "clean up". and if it is just for u, or other humans, to hv an easier time, then it is most absolutely not worth the effort. because it is unjust and inhuman. sure, if u can get a raise in ur salary, go ahead! but then, i can also tell you that oil prices has nothing to do with criminals. perhaps you can do a bit of research in that area? and perhaps u watch too much death note?

criminal cant be clean up. all at once ofcoz. but u can decrease their number by kill one each time u found one. just like roaches. their doings are inhuman too. so they need inhuman judgment. the oil price did have to do with criminals. coz they do illegal trading and such. criminals are not person who kill other ppl too u know. also the money gov spend for ppl who r in jail also affect it's raise by the theory of 'the law of demand'. u should learn that.

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it's true i will never know if i never try. but i've tried! u say "if u kill all the criminals one day, more will become criminals another day". that's a total ignorance. number of criminals will increase. that's very stupid decision. that is like u found a virus in ur pc and u just quarantine it. isnt better if u remove the virus once it came? ur not gonna wait for another virus to come to fill ur pc.

Opps! i think u misunderstood. what i mean, is that there will be criminals in this world -like it or not. If u are lucky, u dun meet them. If u are unlucky, you meet them. that is all. even if i "clear" them, they will still exist. that is all. and a virus is a bad example. they are different in nature.

they are different in nature but their doing arent much different though. criminals can still exist that's why we need to put them to another world each time we found one. no need to keep the 'junk' in this world.

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that's right! things can get easier if the criminals are wipe out from this world. the government arent stupid ppl. they know ppl decide who's gonna be part of goventment that's why they help poor ppl. and u r short minded to say "govt is more interested in trying to generate more money for the economy! or for themselves. help the poor, u say, but what can the govt really do? " coz governtment consist lots of people. it's the head of the [email protected] who do such thing. but not all of them. and "what can the goventment really do?" well, they can help the poor to get a better place to live, give them life expenses, help sick people to get medical help and many more.

short minded? i think i am more practical. there will always be more way to help ppl, and criminals will not forever be the main concerns of govt. they would be more interested in simulating the economy, for the "better of the ppl in the countries", or so they always say.

but not practical enough. and it is true that criminals will not be the main concern forever. but they are still in concern. they are troublesome. why do we need to keep 'em? why did u keep bashing the government. they do for ur own good unlike the criminals

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so why do u need to spend money to help the the criminals when u can save lot's of good ppl who in need?

now u stumped me. define good?

well, can u define good? does criminals look like a good person to you? i dont think so. u must be motivated by anime a lot.
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that's becoz usa gov are different from oters. they are bad examples. but that's becoz of the 'head' not the entire. and ofcourse they are already doing those kind of stuff but it doesnt seem enough.

accidental are different that's why there's judgment. and they arent call criminals.

criminal cant be clean up. all at once ofcoz. but u can decrease their number by kill one each time u found one. just like roaches. their doings are inhuman too. so they need inhuman judgment. the oil price did have to do with criminals. coz they do illegal trading and such. criminals are not person who kill other ppl too u know. also the money gov spend for ppl who r in jail also affect it's raise by the theory of 'the law of demand'. u should learn that.

they are different in nature but their doing arent much different though. criminals can still exist that's why we need to put them to another world each time we found one. no need to keep the 'junk' in this world.

but not practical enough. and it is true that criminals will not be the main concern forever. but they are still in concern. they are troublesome. why do we need to keep 'em? why did u keep bashing the government. they do for ur own good unlike the criminals

well, can u define good? does criminals look like a good person to you? i dont think so. u must be motivated by anime a lot.


nope. i am not bashing the govt and i am not motivated by anime. *at least not as much as u are motivated by DN =P*

okies, to answer u now:
no, it never seems enough, which means, it can never be enough. i am sorry that they aren't called criminals. but just so u know, whoever, no matter how accidental they did something wrong, they will be called criminals so long as they went into jail. just because someone does sth inhuman does not mean that they deserves sth inhuman.

as for theory of "the law of demand", i am sorry, but i did not even hear abt it before. criminals do does stuff like that, but that is only a factor of it.

criminals are not junk. "troublesome" as they are, i feel that it is not a matter of need or not. it is a matter of rights to live in this world. i am sorry if i seem to keep bashing govt. that was done unintentionally. but i am just stating the truth. as for my own good or not, that is up to me to decide. not everything is good entirely, as u have said. i do appreciate the goods that the govt did, but that did not stop me from saying the bad stuffs.

a changed criminal looks like a good person to me.
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