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Is rap "Music"?
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Rap is music. Just like polka, rock, jazz, funk, and knocking on a table making a beat is music. The way I see it is if something has any form of rhythm, it is music. Rap has rhythm. Therefore, it is music.

I notice lots of people on message boards like absolutely hate rap. And the reason people hate rap is that people don't understand it. Simple as that. They always say, "Goburin, why do you like rap so much? You're not a violent person, but rap encourages degrading women, sex, drugs, and killing people!" Well, not all rap encourages negativity. For one song people use an example to promote their reasons about how rap is horrible, there are hundreds of other songs that promote positivity, conscious thinking, and all-around good vibes. But no one talks about them, now do they?

Of course, I don't blame the people for citing examples of only what they know. The media doesn't play the "good stuff." You have to be a fan like me to actually go out, do your homework, and look for the "good stuff." For every Lil' Wayne, Souljah Boy, and D4L, you have a Common, Andre 3000, and a Blacklalicious.

So yes. Rap is music.



Everyone is taking it so literal. I know its a Genre, but should the new stuff be considered music to you. Yes There are those that have meaning, but they arent played so they are kind of useless in the sense of negating the fact that rap is vulger. There's even branch off's of rap, like rap rock, that might be a little vulgar, but they in no way promote the same stuff as rap today. Untill the bands like "Lil wayne, Souljah Boy" and so forth die out (which in all likely hood will take years and years and years), most serious music lovers will probably never be able to get past the fact that they fuck up rap for the most part.

And to the fact that "Vulgar music mostly attracts already vulgar people" That is not true in today society. Most teens feel they need to "fit in" with other people so they will follow the crowd. They will start to listen to it to feel a need to fit in. This is all in all, fucking retarded. People will listen to that music, then basically do what the music promotes to "look cool" and fit in. This will really hurt us in the long run. Think about it, when we are old and wrinkly, are we still going to be listening to rap and "reminising on the great times we had". Will we tell our grandchildren to listen to Superman so they can know what it likes to listen to the music of our time? I know I wont.
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Really, it depends on what you call music, rap is known for its beats and rhythm, and its mainly poetry as well, most rap rhymes and is poetry in itself, just with background music, but all that crap thats in it, I stopped listening to it because of that, I listen to rap with meaning.
Posted 8/3/08

Teh-Kun wrote:

I know its a Genre, but should the new stuff be considered music to you?


Yup. Why wouldn't the new stuff be considered music? Like I've been saying, the "new stuff" just doesn't consist of Weezy or Soujah Boy. What about The Roots? Little Brother? They put out albums this year, and yes, it's very musical. It has substance. It's good music. Which leads to your next point:


Teh-Kun wrote: Yes There are those that have meaning, but they arent played so they are kind of useless in the sense of negating the fact that rap is vulgar.


Regardless, it's still out there. You can't just brush it aside simply 'cause it's not played. Rap doesn't consist of just the garbage you hear on the radio. But hey, if you want to pull that card, I'll cite examples that were played on the radio. Jadakiss's Why. Styles P put out I'm Black. Nas's I Can. All those songs had radio play, and all had a positive message.


Teh-Kun wrote:Untill the bands like "Lil wayne, Souljah Boy" and so forth die out (which in all likely hood will take years and years and years), most serious music lovers will probably never be able to get past the fact that they fuck up rap for the most part.


I agree with you on this. It's hard to take rap serious if all you've been exposed to is a joke. But all I'm saying is if you look past that stuff, listen to the real shhhh, it would be hard for you to say rap ain't music.


Teh-Kun wrote:Think about it, when we are old and wrinkly, are we still going to be listening to rap and "reminising on the great times we had". Will we tell our grandchildren to listen to Superman so they can know what it likes to listen to the music of our time? I know I wont.


I'm not going to tell my grandchildren to listen to "Crank Dat." If they want to hear something timeless, I'm telling them to listen to "Shallow Days."

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WUT?!??!??!?!?!
did u just say lil wayne fucked up rap ur wrong
maby u guys just never heard actual rap
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halo117m wrote:

WUT?!??!??!?!?!
did u just say lil wayne fucked up rap ur wrong
maby u guys just never heard actual rap


Yes... Yes i did.
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Posted 8/4/08
it is..
but my classmates refer to it as..
R - retared A - attempting P- poetry

its funny though..
anyways..
if there are any music instruments in rapping..
it is surely music.. ^^

but... like what people say..
every sound u hear is music. ^^
whether good or bad..
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lol the title should be Is rap good music? and of course the answer to that is NO!!!!!!!!
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halo117m wrote:

WUT?!??!??!?!?!
did u just say lil wayne fucked up rap ur wrong
maby u guys just never heard actual rap


Actually I agree, Lil' Wayne isn't the only one who screwed it up. But he is "the best rapper alive," and just by giving himself that title he put a bad stamp on mainstream hip-hop, which is why all people who don't like it won't ever give real hip-hop a chance.
Posted 8/4/08
Hell no, rap is dead. There used to be good artists though, that actually had songs about more things than "YO I GET DAT DRUG MONEY AND PIMP DEEZ HOEZ IN DA CLUB DAWG".
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OKay first of all too everyone in here that posts something ignorant:

If you don't know a damn thing about Rap, don't generlize and say it's all the same.

Anyways, Rap music of today is just shit. Back then it was more of a poetry thing with music in the background. Rap was used to get America too hear Black America. It wasn't racist, sexist or "gangsta"

And we still have many rappers like that today, who are worth listening too. One being Common.
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Rap sucks, im talking about rap these days. all the lyrics talk about is sex, drugs, being gangster, using impropper english, cussing, and using racist words. that is exactly what it is. rap int he past im not sure about since ive never heard it. i know alot about it now because where i live is full of blacks now and thats all they listen to and they rap it in publi can dits just evil music the stuff they say. it might be different in other places but all im saying is how it is where i live
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"Music, expresses that which cannot be said and that which is impossible to be kept silent"
-Victor Hugo


Rap is a form of expression, really if you dislike it then stay away from it, if you like it the embrace it.

Honestly there is no reason to flame it.
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Katorulez93 wrote:

Rap sucks, im talking about rap these days. all the lyrics talk about is sex, drugs, being gangster, using impropper english, cussing, and using racist words. that is exactly what it is. rap int he past im not sure about since ive never heard it. i know alot about it now because where i live is full of blacks now and thats all they listen to and they rap it in publi can dits just evil music the stuff they say. it might be different in other places but all im saying is how it is where i live


That's mainstream rap, and anyone with a quarter of a brain would be repulsed by it, so I don't really blame you. There's still plenty of rappers today who produce good music, they just don't get much mainstream attention.



SanjinTheDamned wrote:

"Music, expresses that which cannot be said and that which is impossible to be kept silent"
-Victor Hugo


Rap is a form of expression, really if you dislike it then stay away from it, if you like it the embrace it.

Honestly there is no reason to flame it.


Actually there's plenty of reasons to flame it, Kato gave a lot of good examples.Most mainstream rappers don't really treat it as an art form or use it to express themselves, they treat it like a business and produce all the crap that most people are into these days. But obviously there's a brighter side.



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Cuddlebuns wrote:
Actually I agree, Lil' Wayne isn't the only one who screwed it up. But he is "the best rapper alive," and just by giving himself that title he put a bad stamp on mainstream hip-hop, which is why all people who don't like it won't ever give real hip-hop a chance.


imma keep an eye on this thread for a bit. o.O

note i am not trying to hate on any of you.

*sigh* as much as I hate lil wayne, and many other rappers out there I strongly agree with what you are saying. The fact that good rappers, those who talk of other things besides drugs, sex, money, the people who are more like scholars... the ones who dont speak improper (even though you guys making a case of that is complete bull****) the ones who talk against the streets, against having baby's momma's the ones who dont talk about pimps in hoes, the ones who ignore rims and cars. Now, most of you have been clouded by that crap so much you cant see the good artists. Those of you who ignore rap in general without giving it a chance, you guys are just ignorant. and i swear if I hear "RAP= Retards Attempting Poetry" one more time I am going to kill someone, half of you dont even know the struggle that is being talked about. you hear curses and think "oh snap tha tisnt cool" meanwhile it is a way that people express themselves, you cant except it than fine you just dont get it. And because I know you all dont care about this post. I will rap it up with this:

We are all here for a reason on a particular path
You don't need a curriculum to know that you are part of the math
Cats think I'm delirious, but I'm so damn serious
That's why I expose my soul to the globe, the world
I'm trying to make it better for these little boys and girls
I'm not just another individual, my spirit is a part of this
That's why I get spiritual, but I get my hymns from Him
So it's not me, it's He that's lyrical
I'm not a miracle, I'm a heaven-sent instrument
My rhythmatic regimen navigates melodic notes for your soul and your mental
That's why I'm instrumental
Vibrations is what I'm into
Yeah, I need my loot by rent day
But that is not what gives me the heart of Kunte Kinte
I'm tryina give us "us free" like Cinque
I can't stop, that's why I'm hot
Determination, dedication, motivation
I'm talking to you, my many inspirations
When I say I can't, let you or self down
If I were of the highest cliff, on the highest riff
And you slipped off the side and clinched on to your life in my grip
I would never, ever let you down
And when these words are found
Let it been known that God's penmanship has been signed with a language called love
That's why my breath is felt by the deaf
And why my words are heard and confined to the ears of the blind
I, too, dream in color and in rhyme
So I guess I'm one of a kind in a full house
Cuz whenever I open my heart, my soul, or my mouth
A touch of God reigns out

give that a chance.
Now I know that maybe 2 of you know who that is...
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wolfwood012 wrote:
We are all here for a reason on a particular path
You don't need a curriculum to know that you are part of the math
Cats think I'm delirious, but I'm so damn serious
That's why I expose my soul to the globe, the world
I'm trying to make it better for these little boys and girls
I'm not just another individual, my spirit is a part of this
That's why I get spiritual, but I get my hymns from Him
So it's not me, it's He that's lyrical
I'm not a miracle, I'm a heaven-sent instrument
My rhythmatic regimen navigates melodic notes for your soul and your mental
That's why I'm instrumental
Vibrations is what I'm into
Yeah, I need my loot by rent day
But that is not what gives me the heart of Kunte Kinte
I'm tryina give us "us free" like Cinque
I can't stop, that's why I'm hot
Determination, dedication, motivation
I'm talking to you, my many inspirations
When I say I can't, let you or self down
If I were of the highest cliff, on the highest riff
And you slipped off the side and clinched on to your life in my grip
I would never, ever let you down
And when these words are found
Let it been known that God's penmanship has been signed with a language called love
That's why my breath is felt by the deaf
And why my words are heard and confined to the ears of the blind
I, too, dream in color and in rhyme
So I guess I'm one of a kind in a full house
Cuz whenever I open my heart, my soul, or my mouth
A touch of God reigns out

give that a chance.
Now I know that maybe 2 of you know who that is...


From all the God references, I'm guessing that it's Kanye. I've never heard that song before though.

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