First  Prev  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10  11  12  13  14  15  16  17  Next  Last
Why do the good guys always win?
40 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
38 / M
Offline
Posted 8/2/08
cos in reality, its the bad guys who win
Posted 8/2/08

monster2516 wrote:


PLZ TAKE TIME TO READ THIS MSG. PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
& IF THERZ ANYTHING WRONG TELL ME.


In all the animez i have ever watched, i realise the good guyz/ main characters get the advantage.
I wanna kno y


Naruto ~ Naruto is so weak tht he got beat up by a stray dog... but somehow won fight against many of his opponents by luck


Bleach ~ Ichigo, when he was fightin grimjow, he should have lost but due to a speach, he won... & who can 4get when he fought Zaraki Kenpachi & Byakuya... He won?!



I really think tht Anime is Rigged supporting only good people.





Wht do u think?!


Oh, anime's definitely rigged. I mean, L vs. Kira (Death Note) Light won on episode 17 (I think). But they couldn't let the bad buy win, so they brought in Near (F****** hate Near) to beat him. WTF anime? But video games do it too, Dante should've died in DMC3 to Vergil.
292 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
23 / M / In your house
Offline
Posted 8/2/08
Mostly because people want the good guys or the main character to win, and it would suck if the main character died...for example Death Note
Posted 8/2/08
This is what we call poetic justice
Would many people watch the Dark Knight if Joker ends up as the victor against Batman?
Posted 8/2/08

lohy0017 wrote:

well reason is to let children noe that evil will never win??


right
Kevwu 
79972 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
25 / M / California WOOOO...
Offline
Posted 8/2/08
Well... would you want the bad guys to win? lol i wouldent
222 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
27
Offline
Posted 8/2/08
that the law of the anime world ' the good guys always win in the end '
5206 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
28 / F / Singapore
Offline
Posted 8/2/08
er... i think the good guys usually lost out bad somewhere in the beginning then start winning towards the end of the show.
They do not always win...
but if they,as the main char, loses and the bad guy wins..i think many of us would be un satisfied...right? right???
12301 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
Valhalla
Offline
Posted 8/2/08
The good guys don't win all the time.


Remember the movie phantom blood (if you saw it that is)
Jojo got decapitated by the main villain thus he lost but Dio didn't win either.
452 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
28 / F / Philippines, Lana...
Offline
Posted 8/2/08
God gives them the chance.. hehe.. nyahahaha!! but i lyk rugged wild bad boys win...
Posted 8/2/08
Well, not exactly in all anime.
I can't really recall one now but even if they win, they lose at some point.
Of course, its up to the writers.
301 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
33 / M / S. California
Offline
Posted 8/2/08 , edited 8/2/08
Well first of all, it really kind of depends on what you mean by "good guy." Most of the time, anime is shown from a certain character's perspective and is intended to illustrate and proactively propagate said character's motives and goals. Hence we see them as "good." In several animes that come to mind, if they were to switch the character whose perspective we see, there would probably be a reversal of the roles for the hero and the villain.

Was Hitler evil? Maybe. I'm sure Hitler thought he was in the right too. If he had his own anime he would be a hero. All a matter of perspective.

But let's say Bleach, for example. In the first major arc where Ichigo goes running off after Rukia, there wasn't really a bad guy until they pulled a deus ex machina with Aizen (okay, so it wasn't a complete deus ex machina, but it was pretty close). The Captains and the characters each merely possessed their own agendas. There wasn't precisely a "bad guy" until Aizen pulled a Jesus. Gin was somewhat portrayed as evil, but his motive wasn't revealed until Aizen popped back out.

I don't care to discuss Naruto, but it's more of a cut and dry case anyways.

Death Note was fairly unique in that we are given the perspective of the supposed "villain." Rather than a simple good and evil dichotomy, they created a morality battle of end results and the justification of the means. I have always felt it was rather purposeful that they portrayed L as an absolute eccentric that few people could identify with. Just a tip from the real world from someone in his mid twenties, L's caricature, however brilliant, is highly undesirable. They wanted us to see from the perspective of Light and they did devote some screen time to that end. He did manage to create a world of no crime. He did kill off socially "bad" people. If we weren't privy to his inner thoughts and realized he was a cold hearted fuck, we probably would have seen him as "good." In part, Death Note is a precise reaction to "good" guys always winning. L died, Light lived. But the more generally understood concept of "good" was shown to prevail in the end, but not necessarily the "good guy."

Observe most of the animes. There is always some sort of growth to the characters or between the characters that make them what they are. It is this growth process that is enthralling to people, whether it be power, emotions, or whatever. Often times we know what the end results of the growth process will be, but we want to see anyways: the final defeat of the villain, the first kiss, marriage, whatever. It's the resolution people salivate for, but what titillating scents or sights or sounds make them drool in the first place?

Short answer is the implementation of humanized themes throughout the anime. We start identifying with characters, even if they aren't realistic, because they trek through the process of socially idealized action. What they do is what society generally recognizes as the ideally "right" thing to do, but not necessarily the practical one; and because it doesn't happen very often, we admire them for it. It's very much either a comment on or a comment of social perception. If murder, rape and pillage were admirable, those would be the themes of anime today, if the medium existed at all.

The reason they don't portray the "good guys" falling over on their faces dead or completely losing often is because it would be a complete undoing of just about everything they've been building towards. You can't spend ten episodes building a character from X perspective and then topple it on its head. They're working within set limits here. In any story you bind yourself within certain parameters. To just arbitrarily kill the hero isn't as easy as snapping fingers.

Sure you could do it, but where do you go from there? If you're halfway through the season, do you take up from the villain's perspective? If so, then what the hell did you just spend ten episodes on? That was an absolute waste of time if your character, for all his growth, just kicks the bucket at the end without any real result for his trouble. If you're at the end of the season, how do you resolve all the issues you raised? If you started from the perspective of another character, then in all likelihood, unless you're Death Note, that character would have been the hero instead of the villain and there would be themes supporting his role in place instead.

Every action is a reflection of social and moral perspectives ingrained in us since birth. When you go out for a burger, you pay for it. You don't just take it, shoot the cashier in the head, and then make a run for it. Even if you want an utterly neutral character, odds are he will fall within the parameters of social norms, and that will be construed as "good" because it is what we are used to, even if it might be boring. If he doesn't, then by legal definition, he is insane, and viewers will perceive him as such.

Generally they present a moral dilemma or social challenge in a fictional story to spur growth; like Light potentially having to kill his father with the Death Note, or Nagisa in Clannad putting together her theater club (or was it drama? I don't remember). If you have a character that does nothing all day...welll...you don't have a story then.

Anyways, to summarize: They don't kill the "good" guy because it's a matter of perception, or more precisely, the building of a perception based upon generally recognized social or ideal or moral values. To kill the good guy isn't just a matter of undermining the values, but cutting the ladder out from under yourself in terms of content development.

Sorry if I was verbose. I have horrible periods of insomnia. (52 hours awake and counting).
1319 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
32 / M / Ohio, U.S.A.
Offline
Posted 8/2/08
i would love to see naruto and ichigo finnaly die
6969 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
23 / M / The nation of Dai...
Offline
Posted 8/2/08
its unavoidable , good guys always win although standing on thin ice . Have u ever see an antagonist win in the end ? ........................................................................................ NO !!!!!!!!
260 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
27 / M
Offline
Posted 8/2/08
the good guys always win cause e baddies don wanna win xp
First  Prev  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10  11  12  13  14  15  16  17  Next  Last
You must be logged in to post.