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Should marijuana be legalized?
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Posted 1/31/11 , edited 1/31/11


I just told you why the majority would buy the legal drugs!!!!!

Think about it. People do the illegal drugs right now which would then become legal (If say All drugs were legalized).....that means all they have to do now is buy from the Drugstore. They dont have to worry about being secretive with what drug they are taking.

ITS OBVIOUS that people would rather take the type of drug they have always been taking, which is legal, than run the risk of taking a cheaper drug.....which might even be a lower quality as well. Hell the Drugstores would have lower prices than what is being sold today. ITS COMMON SENSE!

How does the Proposition not work? There are countries out there that have Drugs legalized....I dont see any of them having a mass revolt because Drugs are legalized.

OBVIOUSLY there are going to still be people who attempt to sell w/e the fake drugs they have....The Proposition would sure as hell cut down on smuggling and illegal drug selling....but it wouldnt totally eliminate it....OBVIOUSLY!!!!

There will always be some small minority of people who continue to break the law when any sort of new legislation is passed.....its inevitable.

There wouldnt be a *Demand* as you say for cheaper illegal drugs....THINK ABOUT IT! The people of today are taking the drugs that are illegal now.....which would be legal is all drugs were legal......then the people would be buying their same drugs.....except now its from a Drugstore!

And the Drugstores would OBVIOUSLY have cheaper prices than what is sold now.....that way it lowers the smuggling and illegal dealing.

Jesus dude.

Edit: And to continue on where you said there would be loopholes because people would still try to make illegal drugs. I could say the same thing for alcohol of today.....maybe there are people out there making some sort of illegal alcohol and selling it. It obviously aint a big concern since people can buy it normally at a store
Posted 1/31/11 , edited 1/31/11

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I just told you why the majority would buy the legal drugs!!!!!

Think about it. People do the illegal drugs right now which would then become legal (If say All drugs were legalized).....that means all they have to do now is buy from the Drugstore. They dont have to worry about being secretive with what drug they are taking.

ITS OBVIOUS that people would rather take the type of drug they have always been taking, which is legal, than run the risk of taking a cheaper drug.....which might even be a lower quality as well. Hell the Drugstores would have lower prices than what is being sold today. ITS COMMON SENSE!

How does the Proposition not work? There are countries out there that have Drugs legalized....I dont see any of them having a mass revolt because Drugs are legalized.

OBVIOUSLY there are going to still be people who attempt to sell w/e the fake drugs they have....The Proposition would sure as hell cut down on smuggling and illegal drug selling....but it wouldnt totally eliminate it....OBVIOUSLY!!!!

There will always be some small minority of people who continue to break the law when any sort of new legislation is passed.....its inevitable.

There wouldnt be a *Demand* as you say for cheaper illegal drugs....THINK ABOUT IT! The people of today are taking the drugs that are illegal now.....which would be legal is all drugs were legal......then the people would be buying their same drugs.....except now its from a Drugstore!

And the Drugstores would OBVIOUSLY have cheaper prices than what is sold now.....that way it lowers the smuggling and illegal dealing.

Jesus dude.

Edit: And to continue on where you said there would be loopholes because people would still try to make illegal drugs. I could say the same thing for alcohol of today.....maybe there are people out there making some sort of illegal alcohol and selling it. It obviously aint a big concern since people can buy it normally at a store
That never stopped underage youngsters from illegally gaining access from legal drugs. In fact it would be easier and cheaper for individuals to abuse and manipulate them with legalized marijuana. Your morality has no holds on those who will exploit others in a free market. And no, your obvious "commonsense" will not change that reality, whether you like it or not.

BTW, it's a fact that synthetic marijuana is five times more potent than the THC from just plain marijuana, and it's much cheaper to make. Not to mention is the fact that while it's unnatural, it's nonetheless completely legal since 2002.

So "obviously" your "commonsense" never help you realize that all this time, I was actually playing the devil's advocate on illegal marijuana. Simply because there's something in the market that's better than natural weed, while human history about illegal substance abuse had proven just how useless regulations can be. You stupid.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. -Albert Einstein

P.S: As examples, here's a short list of what I do for recreation that's better than me smoking weed:

A healthy and balanced diet.
An intense fitness training program.
A moderate consumption of red wine.
Tolerable stress which can sustain both adrenalin and testosterone at a healthy level.
Hot and cool hydrothermal therapy that can boost metabolism and speedup detox process.
Self-awareness, self-knowledge, and community involvement. In order to obtain real self-esteem, self-confidence, and a sense of belonging.

And the list goes on and on.
Posted 2/2/11
It is only a matter of time before 'the green man' become a legal smokable , drug..
In Cali, everybody BUT the governor has a medicinal marijane card...so...

anyway Cheech and Chong movies are awesome...
Posted 2/3/11
There has til this date not been 1 single proven case of someone dying as a direct result of ingesting cannabis.

There's really nothing more to say.
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I think it's a blind hypocrisy to let alcohol be legal yet weed isn't. This is just coming from personal experiences. I've had bad times with booze, it can make me psychotic, yet weed calms me better than any medication has.
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Posted 4/18/11
If weed is ever legalized, I'm excited to see the commercials.
Posted 4/18/11 , edited 4/18/11

Jezebellabean wrote:

I think it's a blind hypocrisy to let alcohol be legal yet weed isn't. This is just coming from personal experiences. I've had bad times with booze, it can make me psychotic, yet weed calms me better than any medication has.


Not only that! Eating unhealthy food is perfectly legal even if we're aware of the serious dangers there off. Same goes for boxing, rockclimbing, driving in trafic, being in poluted areas, getting bodymodifications, sleeping too little, working with chemicals, etc etc etc. All things that involves a risk or are bad to your health and can be lethal.

Why is it that people can decide if they want to eat themselves to death, do things like extreme sports that involves risking serious injuries to the body, but you can't decide for yourself if you want to smoke a joint?

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Posted 4/18/11

Okazu606 wrote:


Jezebellabean wrote:

I think it's a blind hypocrisy to let alcohol be legal yet weed isn't. This is just coming from personal experiences. I've had bad times with booze, it can make me psychotic, yet weed calms me better than any medication has.


Not only that! Eating unhealthy food is perfectly legal even if we're aware of the serious dangers there off. Same goes for boxing, rockclimbing, driving in trafic, being in poluted areas, getting bodymodifications, sleeping too little, working with chemicals, etc etc etc. All things that involves a risk or are bad to your health and can be lethal.

Why is it that people can decide if they want to eat themselves to death, do things like extreme sports that involves risking serious injuries to the body, but you can't decide for yourself if you want to smoke a joint?



I completely agree with you. It's like the weird smoking law they've brought in over here. They now have to be under the counter, and not visible, yet fatty foods like mcdonalds are still being allowed to advertise dangerously unhealthy food to children. It's absurd.

Posted 4/18/11

Jezebellabean wrote:


Okazu606 wrote:


Jezebellabean wrote:

I think it's a blind hypocrisy to let alcohol be legal yet weed isn't. This is just coming from personal experiences. I've had bad times with booze, it can make me psychotic, yet weed calms me better than any medication has.


Not only that! Eating unhealthy food is perfectly legal even if we're aware of the serious dangers there off. Same goes for boxing, rockclimbing, driving in trafic, being in poluted areas, getting bodymodifications, sleeping too little, working with chemicals, etc etc etc. All things that involves a risk or are bad to your health and can be lethal.

Why is it that people can decide if they want to eat themselves to death, do things like extreme sports that involves risking serious injuries to the body, but you can't decide for yourself if you want to smoke a joint?


I completely agree with you. It's like the weird smoking law they've brought in over here. They now have to be under the counter, and not visible, yet fatty foods like mcdonalds are still being allowed to advertise dangerously unhealthy food to children. It's absurd.
And it's more absurd that people can't even clam themselves without drug dependency, and calling it "recreation"? It's all the mythologies on hero worshiping and the resulting pathos, that's feeding the narcissistic epidemic without really addressing the lack of self-worth.
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Posted 4/19/11

DomFortress wrote:


Jezebellabean wrote:


Okazu606 wrote:


Jezebellabean wrote:

I think it's a blind hypocrisy to let alcohol be legal yet weed isn't. This is just coming from personal experiences. I've had bad times with booze, it can make me psychotic, yet weed calms me better than any medication has.


Not only that! Eating unhealthy food is perfectly legal even if we're aware of the serious dangers there off. Same goes for boxing, rockclimbing, driving in trafic, being in poluted areas, getting bodymodifications, sleeping too little, working with chemicals, etc etc etc. All things that involves a risk or are bad to your health and can be lethal.

Why is it that people can decide if they want to eat themselves to death, do things like extreme sports that involves risking serious injuries to the body, but you can't decide for yourself if you want to smoke a joint?


I completely agree with you. It's like the weird smoking law they've brought in over here. They now have to be under the counter, and not visible, yet fatty foods like mcdonalds are still being allowed to advertise dangerously unhealthy food to children. It's absurd.
And it's more absurd that people can't even clam themselves without drug dependency, and calling it "recreation"? It's all the mythologies on hero worshiping and the resulting pathos, that's feeding the narcissistic epidemic without really addressing the lack of self-worth.


I'm a naturally hedonistic person anyway, but seriously I need wither that or medication otherwise I can't function normally day-to-day.
Posted 4/19/11

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]And it's more absurd that people can't even clam themselves without drug dependency, and calling it "recreation"? It's all the mythologies on hero worshiping and the resulting pathos, that's feeding the narcissistic epidemic without really addressing the lack of self-worth.


And this would be relevant in a discussion about addictions or vices, but not in a discussion on freedom of choice which this really is about.

On the subject of what's absurd, it's absurd that people manage to live in and be a part of a society for more than 20 or 30 years, without realizing that there is no univesal truth, and that they themselves probably does not hold it. That ideals and opinions vary from person to person, and on matters such as how you wish to treat your body and mind, others have no saying.

It does not make sense, that people can tell me I can not smoke a joint, yet I can not tell the same people they can't drink a glass of wine. There's no question that alcohol is more addictive and more harmful to the body, to families and society as a whole, yet that is tolerated. Same goes for smoking cigarettes, eating candy, drinking soda and eating junk food, etc etc etc. In these cases we allow the individuals to decide for themselves, and of course we should with marijuana as well.
Posted 4/19/11 , edited 4/19/11

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And this would be relevant in a discussion about addictions or vices, but not in a discussion on freedom of choice which this really is about.

On the subject of what's absurd, it's absurd that people manage to live in and be a part of a society for more than 20 or 30 years, without realizing that there is no univesal truth, and that they themselves probably does not hold it. That ideals and opinions vary from person to person, and on matters such as how you wish to treat your body and mind, others have no saying.

It does not make sense, that people can tell me I can not smoke a joint, yet I can not tell the same people they can't drink a glass of wine. There's no question that alcohol is more addictive and more harmful to the body, to families and society as a whole, yet that is tolerated. Same goes for smoking cigarettes, eating candy, drinking soda and eating junk food, etc etc etc. In these cases we allow the individuals to decide for themselves, and of course we should with marijuana as well.
There's universal truth regarding human wellness within the context of science, just as there's a proper method to conduct democratic debate. So your argument regarding relative/subjective truth is moot, when you failed to contextualize reality through a holistic approach.

Case in point, there's no well established "freedom of choice" between marijuana, red wine, tobacco, and sweets. Because they're not the same substance when they all cause different biochemical reactions on the human body. Humans are evolutionarily made in favor of sugar. Tobacco is a harmful yet addictive substance for human consumption. Moderate red wine consumption can have overall human health benefits. But THC in marijuana just makes everything the same to the human individuals who consume them. Therefore when freedom of choice can only exists within the context of "all choices resulting equally the same" for those who make them, that's not the case here where there are obvious differences.

Finally, without the culture of marijuana consumption in the first place, you wouldn't had known about the existence of such substance. So unless the choice for you to whether or not to learn about culture was freely available to you in the first place, you're just mindlessly aping without consideration.

So when I can get more pleasure from empathizing, understanding, and debating how the natural world and the human world work. Why should I care about your relatively small, insignificant, and selfish desire of marijuana consumption? That ultimately doesn't produce any common goods towards human wellness, while its economy has had a history of funding organized gang violence. And now you want to legalize and commercialize it as a public goods? All the while there's not enough merits to clearly illustrate its recreational benefits, much less marijuana being a human social needs for survival.
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Okazu606 wrote:



And this would be relevant in a discussion about addictions or vices, but not in a discussion on freedom of choice which this really is about.

On the subject of what's absurd, it's absurd that people manage to live in and be a part of a society for more than 20 or 30 years, without realizing that there is no univesal truth, and that they themselves probably does not hold it. That ideals and opinions vary from person to person, and on matters such as how you wish to treat your body and mind, others have no saying.

It does not make sense, that people can tell me I can not smoke a joint, yet I can not tell the same people they can't drink a glass of wine. There's no question that alcohol is more addictive and more harmful to the body, to families and society as a whole, yet that is tolerated. Same goes for smoking cigarettes, eating candy, drinking soda and eating junk food, etc etc etc. In these cases we allow the individuals to decide for themselves, and of course we should with marijuana as well.
There's universal truth regarding human wellness within the context of science, just as there's a proper method to conduct democratic debate. So your argument regarding relative/subjective truth is moot, when you failed to contextualize reality through a holistic approach.

Case in point, there's no well established "freedom of choice" between marijuana, red wine, tobacco, and sweets. Because they're not the same substance when they all cause different biochemical reactions on the human body. Humans are evolutionarily made in favor of sugar. Tobacco is a harmful yet addictive substance for human consumption. Moderate red wine consumption can have overall human health benefits. But THC in marijuana just makes everything the same to the human individuals who consume them. Therefore when freedom of choice can only exists within the context of "all choices resulting equally the same" for those who make them, that's not the case here where there are obvious differences.

Finally, without the culture of marijuana consumption in the first place, you wouldn't had known about the existence of such substance. So unless the choice for you to whether or not to learn about culture was freely available to you in the first place, you're just mindlessly aping without consideration.

So when I can get more pleasure from empathizing, understanding, and debating how the natural world and the human world work. Why should I care about your relatively small, insignificant, and selfish desire of marijuana consumption? That ultimately doesn't produce any common goods towards human wellness, while its economy has had a history of funding organized gang violence. And now you want to legalize and commercialize it as a public goods? All the while there's not enough merits to clearly illustrate its recreational benefits, much less marijuana being a human social needs for survival.


Marijuana is a cash crop, that can be used for making paper, fabric, and more products cheaper and more proficient than what we use today. It was do to a smear campain by the fat-cats that had stock in the lumber industry that ruthlessly used their power and money to influence the government to get marijuana made illegal in order to line their own pockets.

Wen looking at the research the level of products and profit that can be made from cannabis is considerable. But not just clothing, synthetic plastics, and paper. But also Medical advantages, from a drug that aid kids with add with less harmful side affects, and no long term side affects, unlike the drugs being forced on the add children of today. It also can be used to relieve the strain on eyes, allowing a person who is slowly losing their vision, to stop their Eye deterioration. It can also be used to fight arthritis, muscles spasms and more. all more proficiently and with less harmful side affects than any of the leading drugs out in the market today.
In a way marijuana is a more healthy choice than the medication we are forced to cope with.


Posted 4/19/11 , edited 4/19/11

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Marijuana is a cash crop, that can be used for making paper, fabric, and more products cheaper and more proficient than what we use today. It was do to a smear campain by the fat-cats that had stock in the lumber industry that ruthlessly used their power and money to influence the government to get marijuana made illegal in order to line their own pockets.

Wen looking at the research the level of products and profit that can be made from cannabis is considerable. But not just clothing, synthetic plastics, and paper. But also Medical advantages, from a drug that aid kids with add with less harmful side affects, and no long term side affects, unlike the drugs being forced on the add children of today. It also can be used to relieve the strain on eyes, allowing a person who is slowly losing their vision, to stop their Eye deterioration. It can also be used to fight arthritis, muscles spasms and more. all more proficiently and with less harmful side affects than any of the leading drugs out in the market today.
In a way marijuana is a more healthy choice than the medication we are forced to cope with.
And there's been historically a big bioethics mistake about making any single plant a "cash crop." Case in point, you reduce the biodiversity within that environment, thereby risking long-term sustainability for short-term economic gain. Not to mention the economic inequality due to unfair overproduction on cash corp, thereby lack of protection cause by preexisting unfair trading agreement. The more you advocate that a certain corp is more profitable, it'll create inequality within the context of the linear process of human economic engine called consumption.

When the correct diagnostic method for learning disorder is still debatable, while the current education paradigm is also questionable at best. Medical applications for the sick don't automatically translate into recreational health benefits for the healthy, within the context of public wellness.

So if you want to convince me, try your best at empathizing my mentality here:

There's universal truth regarding human wellness within the context of science, just as there's a proper method to conduct democratic debate. So your argument regarding relative/subjective truth is moot, when you failed to contextualize reality through a holistic approach.

Finally, constantly reconsider your own proposal with skepticism. When we're only assuming that our patternicity being correct, while we're evolutionary prone to mindless aping in the first place.

You mustn't let mistakes weight you down, acknowledge them and take what you've learned to move on. That is the privilege of being a man.

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Illogical!!!!!! I like it if you did not miss represent the ape family with the word : Mindless Aping!.
for one other than a few species of apes. Most apes do not add mindless actions into their daily activities. Wile they are capable of learning to do many things, they will unlike the ape known as Homo Sapien By pass any unnecessary roots or activities in order to get to the goal as proficient as possible. This Humans fail at do to their inability to focus on goals proficiency do to underdeveloped parts of the brain that the other apes are more developed in.
Now apologize for offending other species of apes by comparing them to the humans ape (the bastard of a uncle black sheep of the ape family that no other ape wants to be seen by.


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