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Should marijuana be legalized?
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Weed should be legalized. The criminal justice system is overloaded with marijuana related arrests and quite simply weed should not be part of the 'war on drugs'. Also, by legalizing weed, the government would be able to tax its largest cash crop - thus creating a large income - while protecting the consumers by regulating marijuana. No more laced weed from dealers. The government would make money from taxing and lower costs with less prison inmates.... not legalizing marijuana is stupid and obstinate of the government not willing to recognize that weed is not a 'big bad drug' like cocaine, or heroine.
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bluenight5555 wrote:

Weed should be legalized. The criminal justice system is overloaded with marijuana related arrests and quite simply weed should not be part of the 'war on drugs'. Also, by legalizing weed, the government would be able to tax its largest cash crop - thus creating a large income - while protecting the consumers by regulating marijuana. No more laced weed from dealers. The government would make money from taxing and lower costs with less prison inmates.... not legalizing marijuana is stupid and obstinate of the government not willing to recognize that weed is not a 'big bad drug' like cocaine, or heroine.


Very true. Furthermore, I feel like it might also curb some of the violence coming from south of the border. It would take a lot of the demand out if it were legalized and grown domestically, as well as what you've stated - keep a lot money in the country and potentially create more jobs.
Posted 2/17/12
new to forums, wow no reply in 21 days, but YES it should be legalized, where else can you get billions of dollars to help your community - it will benefit everyone from schools, to churches, more jobs, and I don't wanna sound stereotypical but entertainment and food venues will explode in revenue.

My two cents - because of marijuana I've met the greatest people vs. meeting them from work, school, or general public.
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I think that marijuana and even some other drugs should be legalised. People are getting them now no probs. If you want it you can get it. So if you make them legal the can have places where they are made safely so the people who use it dont get bad stuff. Also i think a lot of murders happen due to drug dealing so that should go down.

I dont advocate taking drugs. Ive never done drugs(except alcohol). Anyone who takes drugs makes there own decisions.


Marijuana should definitely be legal. From a safety perspective, it is far safer than alcohol ever will be. Being an alcoholic myself (1 1/2 years sober) I can tell you that I never did stuff on weed as what I did on alcohol. Granted, you shouldn't do either to excess (IMO) but you shouldn't be put in jail for smoking weed. Also, if it were legal, it would be safer to get reliable weed not tainted by other drugs or other foreign substances that get introduced when smuggling it into the country. It would also take a significant amount of money going to gangs (like the mexican mafia) and put it back into the governments hands to use for roads schools etc... It is Americas largest cash crop, even exceeding wheat and corn. In places where it is legal for medical marijuana, the majority of users are not even REAL patients. You can get a prescription for weed by just saying you have anxiety. A doctor can't prove you don't have anxiety. Did you know you can die from detoxing on alcohol? You can ever overdose. There is physically no way you can die from ONLY smoking weed. You just pass out. This is what I learned from my little "retreat" that I went to for alcohol addiction. BTW if you are an alcoholic you can't smoke weed. There is cross-over addiction. Around 15% of people who drink are addicts while around only 9% of people who smoke weed are actually addicted. If someone could find that statistic it would be nice but I know I don't have it.

As for other drugs being legal. No I don't want coke, meth, heroin, PCP, and LSD to be legal. It would be a safety issue. The thing with the psychedelics is that there is a higher chance of people going nuts and hurting themselves. Granted they say THC gets broken down to LSD in the body but in obviously much lower doses. Plus LSD can get into your spinal fluid and later on in life you have trips without even taking it. exstasy might be good for couples counseling in moderate to low doses but if the same thing that is happening with weed happens with exstasy then I wouldn't want it. It can be used to draw people together (not just sex) but there is always "suicide tuesdays" to deal with when people use it in a large dose.

People have the right to pursue their own happiness as long as it is not a significant safety risk to society. I don't recommend taking drugs to achieve this goal but if you're going to do it anyways, I'd rather you smoke weed in a safe environment with no risk of "dirty" marijuana and not having to deal with drug dealers to get it. I also believe that when it becomes legal, they should only make it legal to purchase weed grown in the country you are from (USA in my case) so that the money doesn't somehow get back to gangs.

Well that is my two cents.

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We nearly made it legal in our country. well. Decriminalized it. Ie turned it from a 'crime' which get's you jail time, to an 'offense on summary conviction' which is usually limited to traffic violations. If you don't want your day in court just pay the fine and be on your merry way. If you do want to gamble that the traffic cop is unwilling to waste his time and won't show up... then you plead not guilty and show up for your court date. Losing in court doesn't make the ticket more expensive though...

However, officials in the US state department, The US ambassador and various US-Canada security liaisons all started rumbling about how this would cause Canada to be perceived as a 'Security Risk' which would require 'tighter border controls" (ie trade restrictions with our biggest trading partner)

Needless to say it we didn't do it. But don't think that earned any friends north of the 49th parallel even people who were against weed consider that sort of pressure to be high handed and arrogant.

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Should weed be legalized. Yes. Why? It is the individuals right to decide what is right for him/her. Also, the rationalization of corporations to take the plant and add all sorts of other crap with it to create a new "drug" to market does not rationalize that form to be legal. I have never met an individual that smokes it to be violent and a total ass hat driving to and from a location. Alcohol is another debate. Deny that. It's simply stupid to say a plant is illegal. Our government has effectively concluded an epic fail due to greed. Great job guys.
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Syndicaidramon wrote:


PepperKillsPepsi wrote:


Syndicaidramon wrote:


PepperKillsPepsi wrote:

Cannabis being legalized?

Nope.


May I ask why not?


Because I don't like the smell of smoking around every corner.

.. And, uhr. It's a drug.



So is ritalin. Should we ban ritalin?
And alcohol, tobacco and caffeine are all drugs too. Should we ban all that? And painkillers and sleeping pills?

And honestly, even if cannabis gets legalized, you won't find people smoking it on every corner. You don't smoke like 30 joints a day, you smoke maybe one or two, or perhaps three, if you're hardcore. Most regular smokers doesn't even smoke every day.
And unless it's for medicinal reasons, you won't be able to smoke it during work or school hours either, and probably not in public places, just like with drinking. Unless you're in a bar or something...


did you really just compare weed to those things you just listed...? I seriously laughed out loud.

And those "medical reasons" are complete bullshit lies. Nearly every single one of my buddies back home have medical cards that they paid 150$ dollars for and used little or fake injuries to get them. I have legitimately never met anyone who is actually suffering daily and benefits from smoking or consuming marijuana. Smoking marijuana increases appetite? Great excuse! oh lookie here!

http://www.wikihow.com/Increase-Your-Appetite

Speaking from experience, I used to smoke marijuana and I used to have the mindset that it should be legalized. Thank God I don't anymore, because all it did for me was make me lazy as fuck and wasted my money and my time. Don't even try to argue with me that it doesn't make you unproductive, because it does. The last thing I want to see now are more stoners running around dumb as fuck in today's society, which, keep in mind, is already fucked up. And I would not want my future kids to be able to have complete access of this drug.

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bigpapapurpz wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


z3i2o_d3p7h wrote:

The debate over legalization marijuana will never come to an end as you can see from the past posts. There will always be some sort of counter argument whether it really pertains to the subject or not. I believe the reason most people are against marijuana is not because of its lack of medical uses but because they think it is morally wrong. Marijuana has grown to be a huge counter culture and it's only going to get bigger. So people who are against it should just get over it. I'm sure some other post is gonna be posted quoting this and going off on some tangent that doesn't even matter.
OBJECTION!

1)it can end as soon as the psychoactive drug users learn to let go of their dependence on drugs.

2)that's fatalistic excuse. Not sufficient justification for normalizing the cultural practice of surrendering human dignity for the dependency of psychoactive drugs through legislation.


1. People get addicted to all sorts of things. Should we ban all Big Macs because a few people get addicted to it? No.

2. How is smoking weed surrendering human dignity? I work, go to school and pay rent, the left over i have goes to weed and interests, if my budget allows it. Weed is not physically addictive, i guess its mentally addicting but so is anime am i right? Not only that but weed is ingrained into our culture. Marijuana has been smoked since 2737 B.C in China. Even the declaration of independence was written in hemp.


The Declaration was written on* hemp, not smoked with it.

My shoes are made with hemp, but I don't spark them up. Your entire argument is invalid. Big Macs= form of sustenance. Weed= Psychoactive drug with no proven benefits.

You can't compare a psychoactive drug to necessary sustenance, or even to Anime/television (an intangible form of entertainment).

Stoners are the biggest hypocrites of them all. Especially those who use the excuse saying that it would stop the crime of the mexican cartels if marijuana was legalized, yet they continue supporting these cartels by illegally purchasing their marijuana.

c'mon now.
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I fucking love you Dom, hahaha
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yo MangaSurf, which hemp shoes do you have?
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I know someplace around my college where you can get it cheap and what is the result of that...some of my friends here are neck deep in troubles. They have become addicts and now their life is in ruins. Imagine if it will become legal :-/
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yo MangaSurf, which hemp shoes do you have?


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did you really just compare weed to those things you just listed...? I seriously laughed out loud.

And those "medical reasons" are complete bullshit lies. Nearly every single one of my buddies back home have medical cards that they paid 150$ dollars for and used little or fake injuries to get them. I have legitimately never met anyone who is actually suffering daily and benefits from smoking or consuming marijuana.


Speaking from experience, I used to smoke marijuana and I used to have the mindset that it should be legalized. Thank God I don't anymore, because all it did for me was make me lazy as fuck and wasted my money and my time. Don't even try to argue with me that it doesn't make you unproductive, because it does.
The last thing I want to see now are more stoners running around dumb as fuck in today's society, which, keep in mind, is already fucked up. And I would not want my future kids to be able to have complete access of this drug.


And you think that your personal experience somehow makes you qualified to speak on the behalf of all people in the world?
Are you really that stupid?

I'm not gonna argue that it makes you unproductive, because it does. That's why you're not supposed to smoke it everyday. It's called moderation, something you obviously lacked.
Which is further proven by the fact that you actually think that if we legalized pot, everyone would walk around stoned all the time.

You have no one to blame but yourself for the time you've wasted getting stoned.
Alcohol is legal, but you don't go around being drunk all the time. It should be the same with weed. If you were too dumb to realize that, then that is your fault and no one else's.
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Mangasurf
did you really just compare weed to those things you just listed...? I seriously laughed out loud.

And those "medical reasons" are complete bullshit lies. Nearly every single one of my buddies back home have medical cards that they paid 150$ dollars for and used little or fake injuries to get them. I have legitimately never met anyone who is actually suffering daily and benefits from smoking or consuming marijuana. Smoking marijuana increases appetite? Great excuse! oh lookie here!


Speaking from experience, I used to smoke marijuana and I used to have the mindset that it should be legalized. Thank God I don't anymore, because all it did for me was make me lazy as fuck and wasted my money and my time. Don't even try to argue with me that it doesn't make you unproductive, because it does.
The last thing I want to see now are more stoners running around dumb as fuck in today's society, which, keep in mind, is already fucked up. And I would not want my future kids to be able to have complete access of this drug.


And you think that your personal experience somehow makes you qualified to speak on the behalf of all people in the world?
Are you really that stupid?

I'm not gonna argue that it makes you unproductive, because it does. That's why you're not supposed to smoke it everyday. It's called moderation, something you obviously lacked.
Which is further proven by the fact that you actually think that if we legalized pot, everyone would walk around stoned all the time.

You have no one to blame but yourself for the time you've wasted getting stoned.
Alcohol is legal, but you don't go around being drunk all the time. It should be the same with weed. If you were too dumb to realize that, then that is your fault and no one else's.


Did I say I was generalizing all stoners? No. And who said I smoked every single day? I didn't. I smoked once or twice a week at the most with friends, but it did nothing good for me.

And yes, because liquor isn't a drug...

And moderation? I'm not sure I know anybody else who smoked in moderation and it's done nothing but cause problems for people i know. It's no good for society today. Just look at the person I quoted about 2 posts ago who argues my case a lot more convincing than myself.
Posted 3/13/12 , edited 3/14/12
^^^ Let's not act from a point of misinformation.... Alcohol is, under any definition of the term that I can find, a drug...and one with significant and measurable acute and chronic associated toxicities.

And on that side-topic...an honest question...if alcohol were not a part of human society, and were introduced to the world today, does anyone here think that there's a chance in hell that it would be casually legalized? It has known addictive properties, a low ED to LD 50 ratio with an unpredictable and variable set of reaction parameters in various humans, and other than its effectiveness as a topical antiseptic, its medical uses are extremely debatable and still the matter of numerous long-term studies...and certainly with fewer evident medical uses than, for example, cocaine or morphine.

I am in no way promoting the use of any substance, or calling for the banning of alcohol, just trying to put some perspective on an extremely misinformed assertion.

Regarding the medical marijuana issue -- sadly, I think that a hell of a lot of people are using the medical aspect as an almost cynical approach to getting high. In my mind, this may damage any honest discussion of legalization simply because so many dishonest clinicians, and dishonest 'patients,' are blatantly abusing what could have been an interesting social experiment. In other words, if the majority of medical marijuana users were really using it for medical purposes, we could learn a hell of a lot, but the fact that so many people are using the medical marijuana system in a dishonest fashion accomplishes nothing except polarizing people's opinions even further apart...and I say this as a person who supported the theory of medical marijuana and still supports an honest and clinical approach to such an experiment.

To me, a lot more is gained in the legalization debate by observing and discussing places like the Netherlands or any of the other dozen or so industrialized countries worldwide that have engaged in a de facto marijuana personal use decriminalization, rather than engaging in a dishonest 'medical care' effort with blatant abuse of the system.

However, there are a few people that do actually benefit from medical marijuana, almost always people with stage 3 or worse cancers (and I've heard various wasting muscular or neurological ailments, but I'm less certain about those claims). Marijuana (not smoked, but rather ingested in food or as a butter-based pill) takes the chemotherapy edge off like nothing else on the market at present, with remarkable nausea-reducing properties and takes the mind off the pain to a degree that's only matched by continuously increasing doses of opiates, not to mention reducing the external discomfort of many aspects of paraneoplastic syndrome. Let's also not forget that maintaining appetite, including the associated maintenance of lean body mass, is a major factor in cancer survival.

It might not be a 'cure,' but it's cancer FFS! I really think a lot of personal-use drug laws need to be relaxed when it comes to making that level of disease even a tiny bit more tolerable.

And I must say this...if I'm ever given that much of a crap diagnosis with a highly probable looming expiration date, screw you people, I'm going to take whatever sort of special brownies I bloody well want...
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