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Posted 8/8/08
what?
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Posted 8/8/08
I think he was trying to say how unrealistically, or bland(?), shoujo-shounen-ai series are portrayed.
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Posted 8/8/08
mmmmmmmmm ??????????????????????? ^_^
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Posted 8/8/08
er dont pose such chimalogy in ur forum discussion. pplz find it hard to understand and thus leads to misunderstandings and dont-wants
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Posted 8/8/08
evrey1 kn0ws most lesbians are ugly end gays had hit there head when they where little or something
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Posted 8/8/08

BlackMisc wrote:

evrey1 kn0ws most lesbians are ugly end gays had hit there head when they where little or something


my dear brother, you do surprise me sometimes...
i didn't know you had it in for gays...
i actually like being friends with gay guys, the ones with a fashion sense...
they are easy to talk to like guys, and yet are more sensitive, and they don't hit on you...
Just talking from experience, because most of my friends are gay guys...
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Posted 8/8/08
WTF are you talkng about?
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Posted 8/8/08 , edited 8/8/08

BlackMisc wrote:

evrey1 kn0ws most lesbians are ugly end gays had hit there head when they where little or something


i disagreed what u said.


BlackMisc wrote:

evrey1 kn0ws most lesbians are ugly end gays had hit there head when they where little or something


i think most lesbian is hot !!
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Posted 8/8/08
h-huh?
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Posted 8/8/08
I find gay icky; but lesbians are hott.
don't flame me, just my opinions.
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Posted 8/8/08 , edited 8/8/08
I think the girl who rides a horse in Strawberry Panic is a butch lesbian. But this series is pretty much a shojo romance - over-romanticized and melodramatized. You know most of the shojo romances are not realistic.

Anime like Kannazuki no Miko is a shonen (aiming for boys) anime, with mecha fighting and hot girls. Although I agree it is a good story but you can't expect it to be realistic portrayal of lesbian lives. I have noticed that in these yuri series (even in Maria Sama), there is always a girl that's more girly and innocent than the other in a couple (sort of a stereotype). Maybe you can think of the less girly and innocent girl as a butch?

And the rest is either ecchi or porn. They aim at a male audience and cannot be taken seriously.

I think you could try josei manga featuring female on female relationships. Josei manga is made for mature female readers and feature more realistic portayal of relationships and women's lives. It's a good thing to know the demograhic of a manga so you have an idea of its nature. I don't think having butch lesbians or not is the point. The point is to have good character development and realistic behaviour instead of fanservice for males, right?

Try this one: http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=670 There is a woman who wants to come out to her father I think in this manga.

However, compared with popular shonen and shojo or even seinen ones, josei manga are ususlly less known in the English speaking world.

What do you think of the TV series The L Word? I know some lesbians like it while some don't. What about festival/art house gay and lesbian films. Have you looked into them before?
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Posted 8/8/08
what?

anyways...

we have enuff yuri/shojo ai/lesbian and
yaoi/shonen ai/gay threads...
Posted 8/8/08

BlackMisc wrote:

evrey1 kn0ws most lesbians are ugly end gays had hit there head when they where little or something


WTH are talking about? I totally disagree all girls are pretty in their own special way and some other hot celebrities are gay and lesbos so I disagree with wat ur saying and I'm not a lesbo!
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Posted 8/8/08 , edited 8/8/08

BlackMisc wrote:

evrey1 kn0ws most lesbians are ugly end gays had hit there head when they where little or something


You're still young, one day you'll realize this to be an incorrect statement
If you take some biology courses you'll realize that same-sex prefferences are a very common and natural thing
minimum estimates say that 3 - 6% of males and 1.5 - 3% of females naturally prefer same sex relationships
in recent years, these estimates are believed to be much higher, especially when including bisexual tendencies
I have read many medical texts and journals written by the most respected doctors from Europe and the Americas, occassionally I have read articles dedicated to the study of homosexuality. I've been to Coasta Rica studying in a biological research facility where I read a study that was concerning natural homosexuality found in the populations of various animals including monkeys, dogs, cats, rodents, birds, frogs. Both Turkey and Girraff hold a 90% bisexuality tendency. One could say that the tendency for bisexuality is neccessary for survival, in many cases, populations where a specific gender becomes the sole gender require the neccessity for members of the gender to switch sex in order to reproduce, this is more common in amphibians, but not unheard of amidst other species. All animals hold the natural desire to reproduce, with survival of the fittest and the likeliness of an alpha male taking all of the females, the other males are forced to either remain celebant or practice with male counterparts, (lions for example). In a similar fasion, when looking at ancient Roman, Greek, and even Japanese militias, when the men were separated from woman due to battle, homosexuality was rampant. In ancient Rome and Greece, this was also noted amounst the female populations left at home as the males where absent. Homosexuals are normal people, they aren't particularily better or worse looking, but anyone who takes better care of themselves will look better, and, although is a stereotype, all my friends who were homosexual tended to take better care of themselves and look better as the result.

On another note, to answer the real question, GL and BL are respectively geared towards the opposite gender they depict, and are often also written by a member of the opposite gender as well. BL is made to be beautiful and hold shoujo qualities, it's about unrealist romance and classy breaking of taboo. GL is geared towards guys and is thus made to be beautiful woman and light eroticism, Yuri is more intense, it's made to be more of pre-porn, so an overly butch character would not appeal to boys in a sexual way. In general BL and GL, even Yaoi and Yuri is not made for the homosexual population, that's why it's rare to find it taking a general interest in political and social struggles of the characters. It's still touches on a bit though, more to stress it as taboo and to give an air of danger for more fanservice.

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Posted 8/8/08

aaendaus wrote:


BlackMisc wrote:

evrey1 kn0ws most lesbians are ugly end gays had hit there head when they where little or something


You're still young, one day you'll realize this to be an incorrect statement
If you take some biology courses you'll realize that same-sex prefferences are a very common and natural thing
minimum estimates say that 3 - 6% of males and 1.5 - 3% of females naturally prefer same sex relationships
in recent years, these estimates are believed to be much higher, especially when including bisexual tendencies
I have read many medical texts and journals written by the most respected doctors from Europe and the Americas, occassionally I have read articles dedicated to the study of homosexuality. I've been to Coasta Rica studying in a biological research facility where I read a study that was concerning natural homosexuality found in the populations of various animals including monkeys, dogs, cats, rodents, birds, frogs. Both Turkey and Girraff hold a 90% bisexuality tendency. One could say that the tendency for bisexuality is neccessary for survival, in many cases, populations where a specific gender becomes the sole gender require the neccessity for members of the gender to switch sex in order to reproduce, this is more common in amphibians, but not unheard of amidst other species. All animals hold the natural desire to reproduce, with survival of the fittest and the likeliness of an alpha male taking all of the females, the other males are forced to either remain celebant or practice with male counterparts, (lions for example). In a similar fasion, when looking at ancient Roman, Greek, and even Japanese militias, when the men were separated from woman due to battle, homosexuality was rampant. In ancient Rome and Greece, this was also noted amounst the female populations left at home as the males where absent.

On another note, to answer the real question, GL and BL are respectively geared towards the opposite gender they depict, and are often also written by a member of the opposite gender as well. BL is made to be beautiful and hold shoujo qualities, it's about unrealist romance and classy breaking of taboo. GL is geared towards guys and is thus made to be beautiful woman and light eroticism, Yuri is more intense, it's made to be more of pre-porn, so an overly butch character would not appeal to boys in a sexual way. In general BL and GL, even Yaoi and Yuri is not made for the homosexual population, that's why it's rare to find it taking a general interest in political and social struggles of the characters. It's still touches on a bit though, more to stress it as taboo and to give an air of danger for more fanservice.



lol you sure like getting into stuff dont you
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