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Posted 8/4/08
WARNING: If you haven't read through Breaking Dawn yet beware. I'm not sure I can explain without spoilers. In fact, I'm positive I can't.

Don't get me wrong, this isn't a complaint. I loved everything about the Twilight saga. This is just for fun. Something I've been trying to wrap my head around.

Vampire venom, how does it work? Maybe I missed something. Maybe you can help my unsorted thoughts. Venom is what makes a human a vampire and poisons a werewolf, correct? incorrect? I guess I didn't pay close enough attention in this area to remember the specifics on it.

So far I know for sure that it exists in the mouth and eyes. As Bella had explained in Breaking Dawn, she had to replace the contacts because the venom in her eyes dissolved the lenses. They've described the flow of venom as it secretes in the mouth. It seems as though it's source is mucus membrane. This consists of mouth, eyes, nose ,ears, genitals, and *ehem* the anus.

They must not be able to control the flow of it if they can't prevent it from eating away at the contacts. So really, how does it work in contact with humans then? Bella was able to kiss Edward before without it effecting her. So what then? It needs to be in direct contact with the blood stream? Is that why the injection to Bella's heart or a bite is effective?

But then what of Bella's virginity? Surely we are to assume that Edward broke her hymen. And if venom exists within the mucus menbrane... wouldn't it be in his semen? Couldn't it have entered her system that way? Or is it the amount that matters most here?

I guess I'm just confused. So many questions. I feel like I'm missing some property they explained but I can't remember.

What do you think? Any theories or whatver you can remember can be helpful. Remember this is just for funzies.
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Posted 8/4/08
i think the contacts disolved becuz of some sort of acid that is in her eyes that make her cant wear contacts and cant cry the venom i think is only in the mouth but when he injects her maybe he got the venom from his "fangs" or watever like hey milked him like a snake but they obviously can control it becuz if they couldnt it would leak from "their/cold ones/vampires/the cullens/etc." eyes and mouth but if you pay'd any attention to the book hes kissed bella and she didnt get hurt before, i think that the venom isnt saliva as more of it is just a natural reaction that happens during the bite, like it releases during pressure or the contact into flesh.?!
Posted 8/4/08

Lucky4193 wrote:

i think the contacts disolved becuz of some sort of acid that is in her eyes that make her cant wear contacts and cant cry the venom i think is only in the mouth but when he injects her maybe he got the venom from his "fangs" or watever like hey milked him like a snake but they obviously can control it becuz if they couldnt it would leak from "their/cold ones/vampires/the cullens/etc." eyes and mouth but if you pay'd any attention to the book hes kissed bella and she didnt get hurt before, i think that the venom isnt saliva as more of it is just a natural reaction that happens during the bite, like it releases during pressure or the contact into flesh.?!


I do agree with the fact that they can't cry the venom. She's pretty much cleared up the fact that vampires don't produce tears. However I don't know so much with the acid opposed to venom theory within the eyes. Alice states on page 501 of Breaking Dawn "Keep in mind that those won't last forever... the venom in your eyes will dissolve them in a few hours."

The pressure theory you mentioned seems to make most sense. Like I stated before, I did notice it didn't effect her when they kissed. So it makes sense with the whole gland/pressure thing, sort of like with a snake. You've definitely made a solid argument there. Like it could have been the pressure of the contact lenses to the eye that caused the release of venom...same with the pressure in a bite. That would also explain the sex part too.


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Posted 8/5/08
the venom thing has been on my mind too. Remember that this is all fictional so some facts concerning the vampires in there may be a little sketchy. I do think however that the venom that they produce to convert a human into an immortal works by changing and freezing the human body inside and out or unleashing the full potential of what the human body can do.

I do think that the venom by changing the human body it unleashes the animalistic part of a human thous leading to my theory that, that's why new born vamps go wild.

The snake and the pressure glands theory is quite good i admit. The contacts and the dissolve is probably because a foreign object has invaded the vampire system thous causing the release of venom to kill off the invader in this case the contact lenses.

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Posted 8/28/08
hmm.. better ask SM about it.. she answered some questions other than this though.. check this out~!!
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Posted 8/29/08 , edited 8/29/08


I'll answer each paragraph.

Paragraph #1- Yes, I know. I'm a Twilight (and vampire) expert. :3 So I know this stuff.

Paragraph #2- The first step, is to immobilze the prey. *either by fear, vampire's strength, or cornering it* Then, excess vemon in the mouth flows through the vampire's teeth. It will then see the prey as nothing more than prey. They look for a good place to get blood from, which is the neck, and sink their teeth in, and bite down. Venom is then released through the prey's blood stream, slowing the body's process down. It is a slow and painful death. While this is happening, the vampire sucks the blood out of the prey and leaves it to die.

And yes. The vampire vemon is poisinous to vampires.

THINK OF A POSINOUS SNAKE.

Paragraph #3: Yes, it is. Bella, being a strong, new vampire, has too much venom in her blood system. Therefore, all of the venom is wrapped around the places it can eject from, which means all of the openings that it can reach outside.

Paragraph #4: No, they cannot. They only use contacts for Bella because her eyes are a blood red. Soon, they will turn golden, and they won't need the contacts anymore.

With contact, it was fine with Bella because she didn't TOUCH EDWARD'S TEETH with her mouth.

And yes, it needs to be injected into Bella's blood stream for it to actually work. Otherwise, it remains useless.

The injection to the heart is the direct source of blood stream. Because if Edward wasted time biting Bella, the venom won't make it to her heart in time to stop her from dying. So, they put a shot to the heart to have the venom easier access to it.

Paragraph #5: Er....no. The venom wasn't really in there. It should have been small amounts of it or none at all. Reneesme hadn't had any venom in her at all, although she does bite. I suppose it does matter how much is in the...er...seed that Edward gave. But, I doubt that he has...er....STUFF to give to Bella, since he is techincally dead. I guess it's just about Edward's type of vampire, since he does impregnant Bella, and it wasn't supposed to happen. And Edward's kind gives babies.

HOPE I HELPED!!!
Posted 9/2/08
Go Stephenie's website, she updated her Breaking Dawn FAQ, and she explains the venom thing in detail... (:
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Posted 9/2/08


http://www.stepheniemeyer.com/bd_faq.html
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