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It's okay, some opinions are right or wrong but what the viewer sees is what the viewer found. A little info about 00-Raiser. But There's one favorite machine I like, it's the 00 Gundam.
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andydono wrote: ponky14 wrote: ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** andydono wrote: lester2020 wrote: Setsuna wins this battle. With the combined powers of 00 and 0-Raiser, 00-Raiser uses Trans-Am to its fullest, making it the best machine ever. Super DRAGOON System were now sluggish due to 00-Raiser's ability to move faster than light. No offensive, but your claim about 00 w/0 Raiser going beyond the speed of light is not only exaggerated, its also wrong. The only mobile suit to potentially reach to speed of light is the Stargazer Gundam. ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** The second fastest Gundam would definitely be V2 Gundam (Victory2 Gundam). Supposedly being able to reach to the speed of sound or at least close to it. With the Assault pack ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** ![]() and without the Assault pack ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** ![]() lastly I like to add... Funnels > Mobile bits > GN Fangs/Shield bits > DRAGOONs Hey not anybody can drive a Gundam and be a guerrilla and second of all none of those Gundams can use Quantization and if u don't know what that is look it up in an encyclopedia is derived from quantum which is Latin for cuanto which is Spanish for how many it is the ability to look up all the particles that makes up something and move it somewhere else or something like that I totally forgot anyway that's better than the speed of light that's a theory of existence itself 00 raiser kicks victory and stargazers Gundam's ass Let me clarify something... ANYONE can be a guerrilla as long as they have an able body, enough training time, and not to mention forcefully/willing to think their efforts are going to change something. Plus in your first post you were referring to his childhood years nothing about his teenage years when he gets recruited by the Celestial Beings. Oh watch the anime and read some information (on Stargazer & V2) before deciding 00 w/0 Raiser can kick both Stargazer's and V2's asses. dude I've seen all of the gundam series and read some of the side stories I've seen the first one which was made in 1979 till 00 ok u won in the guerilla part but tell me what fact do u have that the stargazer and victory are faster than the 00 raiser sure speed of light and sound but what do u tell me about disintegration and multiplying once particles obviously quantization wins |
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but tell me what fact do u have that the stargazer and victory are faster than the 00 raiser sure speed of light and sound but what do u tell me about disintegration and multiplying once particles obviously quantization wins Turn A can teleport as well,without having to break down to particles Stargazer only poses a threat when it uses the beam-catcher...otherwise 00-Raiser rapes it. Victory 2 however isnt any slower compared to 00-Raiser,faster infact.00-Raiser cant attack while its particles.Obvously we got to see everything 00-Raiser has to offer as well as its strenghts and weaknesses before passing judgement.But Trans-Am'd 00-Raiser is hanging out somewhere in top 4 if you ask me. |
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ponky14 wrote: ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** andydono wrote: ponky14 wrote: ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** andydono wrote: lester2020 wrote: Setsuna wins this battle. With the combined powers of 00 and 0-Raiser, 00-Raiser uses Trans-Am to its fullest, making it the best machine ever. Super DRAGOON System were now sluggish due to 00-Raiser's ability to move faster than light. No offensive, but your claim about 00 w/0 Raiser going beyond the speed of light is not only exaggerated, its also wrong. The only mobile suit to potentially reach to speed of light is the Stargazer Gundam. ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** The second fastest Gundam would definitely be V2 Gundam (Victory2 Gundam). Supposedly being able to reach to the speed of sound or at least close to it. With the Assault pack ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** ![]() and without the Assault pack ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** ![]() lastly I like to add... Funnels > Mobile bits > GN Fangs/Shield bits > DRAGOONs Hey not anybody can drive a Gundam and be a guerrilla and second of all none of those Gundams can use Quantization and if u don't know what that is look it up in an encyclopedia is derived from quantum which is Latin for cuanto which is Spanish for how many it is the ability to look up all the particles that makes up something and move it somewhere else or something like that I totally forgot anyway that's better than the speed of light that's a theory of existence itself 00 raiser kicks victory and stargazers Gundam's ass Let me clarify something... ANYONE can be a guerrilla as long as they have an able body, enough training time, and not to mention forcefully/willing to think their efforts are going to change something. Plus in your first post you were referring to his childhood years nothing about his teenage years when he gets recruited by the Celestial Beings. Oh watch the anime and read some information (on Stargazer & V2) before deciding 00 w/0 Raiser can kick both Stargazer's and V2's asses. dude I've seen all of the gundam series and read some of the side stories I've seen the first one which was made in 1979 till 00 ok u won in the guerilla part but tell me what fact do u have that the stargazer and victory are faster than the 00 raiser sure speed of light and sound but what do u tell me about disintegration and multiplying once particles obviously quantization wins Whoa there cowboy... I never even mention that Stargazer & V2 Gundam can own 00 Gundam w/ 0 Raiser. I also agree with Sanderfirer that 00 Gundam WITH the 0 Raiser is among the top four strongest mobile suits in all of Gundam history (tied for first are Turn A Gundam & Devil Gundam, second would be Turn X, and last would be 00 Gundam w/0 Raiser). Although you have to remember overpowered suits does not determine a pilot's piloting skills. Therefore Uso Evin > Setasuna F. Seisei, you have to be hardcore fanboy/retard to not accept that fact. |
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andydono wrote: ponky14 wrote: ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** andydono wrote: ponky14 wrote: ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** andydono wrote: lester2020 wrote: Setsuna wins this battle. With the combined powers of 00 and 0-Raiser, 00-Raiser uses Trans-Am to its fullest, making it the best machine ever. Super DRAGOON System were now sluggish due to 00-Raiser's ability to move faster than light. No offensive, but your claim about 00 w/0 Raiser going beyond the speed of light is not only exaggerated, its also wrong. The only mobile suit to potentially reach to speed of light is the Stargazer Gundam. ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** The second fastest Gundam would definitely be V2 Gundam (Victory2 Gundam). Supposedly being able to reach to the speed of sound or at least close to it. With the Assault pack ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** ![]() and without the Assault pack ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** ![]() lastly I like to add... Funnels > Mobile bits > GN Fangs/Shield bits > DRAGOONs Hey not anybody can drive a Gundam and be a guerrilla and second of all none of those Gundams can use Quantization and if u don't know what that is look it up in an encyclopedia is derived from quantum which is Latin for cuanto which is Spanish for how many it is the ability to look up all the particles that makes up something and move it somewhere else or something like that I totally forgot anyway that's better than the speed of light that's a theory of existence itself 00 raiser kicks victory and stargazers Gundam's ass Let me clarify something... ANYONE can be a guerrilla as long as they have an able body, enough training time, and not to mention forcefully/willing to think their efforts are going to change something. Plus in your first post you were referring to his childhood years nothing about his teenage years when he gets recruited by the Celestial Beings. Oh watch the anime and read some information (on Stargazer & V2) before deciding 00 w/0 Raiser can kick both Stargazer's and V2's asses. dude I've seen all of the gundam series and read some of the side stories I've seen the first one which was made in 1979 till 00 ok u won in the guerilla part but tell me what fact do u have that the stargazer and victory are faster than the 00 raiser sure speed of light and sound but what do u tell me about disintegration and multiplying once particles obviously quantization wins Whoa there cowboy... I never even mention that Stargazer & V2 Gundam can own 00 Gundam w/ 0 Raiser. I also agree with Sanderfirer that 00 Gundam WITH the 0 Raiser is among the top four strongest mobile suits in all of Gundam history (tied for first are Turn A Gundam & Devil Gundam, second would be Turn X, and last would be 00 Gundam w/0 Raiser). Although you have to remember overpowered suits does not determine a pilot's piloting skills. Therefore Uso Evin > Setasuna F. Seisei, you have to be hardcore fanboy/retard to not accept that fact. OK I get ur point of the pilots skill I still think setsuna would kill kira not because of the mobile suit is just the feeling that u get kira is just a coordinator he doesn't have skills is like innate but setsuna is a hardcore pilot to the bone he defeated the alvatore,graham acre's gn flag both are superpowered mobile suits and their pilots were like WTF super skilled for just another character and for what kira used his skills to defeat grunts,bacoows,the desert tiger and le cru ze, is that so hard setsuna went against the world with his teammates.he never got support from the ship like kira's and athrun's meteors from tthe eternal and he didn't have any arcangel ship or something like that for back up like I said dude Im a fan of all the gundam heroes I'm just saying from my point of view setsuna would kill kira even if they were fighting gouf vs gouf or zaku vs zaku. P.S. Devil gundam or Dark gundam however its called is a piece of thrash its just a stupid mad AI forget about him a real villain would be the gundam D.E.S.T.R.O.Y. or psycho gundam |
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P.S. Devil gundam or Dark gundam however its called is a piece of thrash its just a stupid mad AI forget about him a real villain would be the gundam D.E.S.T.R.O.Y. or psycho gundam LOLWAT?!Seriously.Psychogundam is truly menacing,but its just big Big Zam-style gundam that can be taken down with sufficient skill and wits.Its no easy enemy,but can be defeated.Same was true Destroy...until they turned it into oversized fodder that anyone with plot significance can tear to shreds.Yep,Destroy siezed being impressive since its second appearance. As for Devil: 1)Its sentinent. 2)It constantly evolves and can regenerate from even damage as bad as falling onto earth . 3)It has a potential to enslave human race by infecting them with DG cells...it can also infect mobile suits with DG cells. 4)One of its forms was the size of the colony. 5)Its final form is invincible unless you remove its core unit...and even then you need power of love to finish it off. As for a mobile suit that can match 00-Raiser...you dont even need to watch other Gundams to find it,because there is no way in hell final villain will be a pushover. |
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ponky14 wrote: ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** andydono wrote: ponky14 wrote: ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** andydono wrote: ponky14 wrote: ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** andydono wrote: lester2020 wrote: Setsuna wins this battle. With the combined powers of 00 and 0-Raiser, 00-Raiser uses Trans-Am to its fullest, making it the best machine ever. Super DRAGOON System were now sluggish due to 00-Raiser's ability to move faster than light. No offensive, but your claim about 00 w/0 Raiser going beyond the speed of light is not only exaggerated, its also wrong. The only mobile suit to potentially reach to speed of light is the Stargazer Gundam. ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** The second fastest Gundam would definitely be V2 Gundam (Victory2 Gundam). Supposedly being able to reach to the speed of sound or at least close to it. With the Assault pack ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** ![]() and without the Assault pack ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** ![]() lastly I like to add... Funnels > Mobile bits > GN Fangs/Shield bits > DRAGOONs Hey not anybody can drive a Gundam and be a guerrilla and second of all none of those Gundams can use Quantization and if u don't know what that is look it up in an encyclopedia is derived from quantum which is Latin for cuanto which is Spanish for how many it is the ability to look up all the particles that makes up something and move it somewhere else or something like that I totally forgot anyway that's better than the speed of light that's a theory of existence itself 00 raiser kicks victory and stargazers Gundam's ass Let me clarify something... ANYONE can be a guerrilla as long as they have an able body, enough training time, and not to mention forcefully/willing to think their efforts are going to change something. Plus in your first post you were referring to his childhood years nothing about his teenage years when he gets recruited by the Celestial Beings. Oh watch the anime and read some information (on Stargazer & V2) before deciding 00 w/0 Raiser can kick both Stargazer's and V2's asses. dude I've seen all of the gundam series and read some of the side stories I've seen the first one which was made in 1979 till 00 ok u won in the guerilla part but tell me what fact do u have that the stargazer and victory are faster than the 00 raiser sure speed of light and sound but what do u tell me about disintegration and multiplying once particles obviously quantization wins Whoa there cowboy... I never even mention that Stargazer & V2 Gundam can own 00 Gundam w/ 0 Raiser. I also agree with Sanderfirer that 00 Gundam WITH the 0 Raiser is among the top four strongest mobile suits in all of Gundam history (tied for first are Turn A Gundam & Devil Gundam, second would be Turn X, and last would be 00 Gundam w/0 Raiser). Although you have to remember overpowered suits does not determine a pilot's piloting skills. Therefore Uso Evin > Setasuna F. Seisei, you have to be hardcore fanboy/retard to not accept that fact. OK I get ur point of the pilots skill I still think setsuna would kill kira not because of the mobile suit is just the feeling that u get kira is just a coordinator he doesn't have skills is like innate but setsuna is a hardcore pilot to the bone he defeated the alvatore,graham acre's gn flag both are superpowered mobile suits and their pilots were like WTF super skilled for just another character and for what kira used his skills to defeat grunts,bacoows,the desert tiger and le cru ze, is that so hard setsuna went against the world with his teammates.he never got support from the ship like kira's and athrun's meteors from tthe eternal and he didn't have any arcangel ship or something like that for back up like I said dude Im a fan of all the gundam heroes I'm just saying from my point of view setsuna would kill kira even if they were fighting gouf vs gouf or zaku vs zaku. P.S. Devil gundam or Dark gundam however its called is a piece of thrash its just a stupid mad AI forget about him a real villain would be the gundam D.E.S.T.R.O.Y. or psycho gundam Since when did this become a Kira vs Setasuna discussion?? I pretty sure everyone with a brain will know that GN-particles jamming > Aimbot. Although Setasuna's skill are inconsistent, I'm still pretty damn sure it can own Kira's skills of shooting non moving targets. Setasuna may have the skills to defeat Jesus Yamato, however he's no where near the levels of any UC mainstream protagonist (Amuro, Camille, Judai, and Uso). Your last sentence worries me. You do remember that DESTORY was only good when it first appeared, the second time it appeared as a mass produced unit, it was complete crap. Psycho Gundam and Psycho Gundam MK II are quite menacing, but with enough skills it can eventually be brought down. Your forgetting that Devil Gundam has 3 principles that makes it the KING among other mobile suits in the Gundam Universe. 1) self multiply 2) self evolve 3) self regenerate It can also use its DG cells to INFECT other machines and basically anything that's a living & moving being. Its also be able to absorb other things in Earth to supply energy for itself. Don't forget that the Devil Gundam evolution depends on the pilot who's piloting it. The only reason it was defeated was because the pilot at the time was Domon's girlfriend Rain. That's why He was able to us the power of love to defeat the Devil Gundam. If the female host for the Devil Gundam was different, the outcome would most likely be different and Domon would of had a possibility of losing. |
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ponky14 wrote: andydono wrote: ponky14 wrote: ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** andydono wrote: ponky14 wrote: ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** andydono wrote: ponky14 wrote: ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** andydono wrote: lester2020 wrote: Setsuna wins this battle. With the combined powers of 00 and 0-Raiser, 00-Raiser uses Trans-Am to its fullest, making it the best machine ever. Super DRAGOON System were now sluggish due to 00-Raiser's ability to move faster than light. No offensive, but your claim about 00 w/0 Raiser going beyond the speed of light is not only exaggerated, its also wrong. The only mobile suit to potentially reach to speed of light is the Stargazer Gundam. ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** The second fastest Gundam would definitely be V2 Gundam (Victory2 Gundam). Supposedly being able to reach to the speed of sound or at least close to it. With the Assault pack ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** ![]() and without the Assault pack ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** ![]() lastly I like to add... Funnels > Mobile bits > GN Fangs/Shield bits > DRAGOONs Hey not anybody can drive a Gundam and be a guerrilla and second of all none of those Gundams can use Quantization and if u don't know what that is look it up in an encyclopedia is derived from quantum which is Latin for cuanto which is Spanish for how many it is the ability to look up all the particles that makes up something and move it somewhere else or something like that I totally forgot anyway that's better than the speed of light that's a theory of existence itself 00 raiser kicks victory and stargazers Gundam's ass Let me clarify something... ANYONE can be a guerrilla as long as they have an able body, enough training time, and not to mention forcefully/willing to think their efforts are going to change something. Plus in your first post you were referring to his childhood years nothing about his teenage years when he gets recruited by the Celestial Beings. Oh watch the anime and read some information (on Stargazer & V2) before deciding 00 w/0 Raiser can kick both Stargazer's and V2's asses. dude I've seen all of the gundam series and read some of the side stories I've seen the first one which was made in 1979 till 00 ok u won in the guerilla part but tell me what fact do u have that the stargazer and victory are faster than the 00 raiser sure speed of light and sound but what do u tell me about disintegration and multiplying once particles obviously quantization wins Whoa there cowboy... I never even mention that Stargazer & V2 Gundam can own 00 Gundam w/ 0 Raiser. I also agree with Sanderfirer that 00 Gundam WITH the 0 Raiser is among the top four strongest mobile suits in all of Gundam history (tied for first are Turn A Gundam & Devil Gundam, second would be Turn X, and last would be 00 Gundam w/0 Raiser). Although you have to remember overpowered suits does not determine a pilot's piloting skills. Therefore Uso Evin > Setasuna F. Seisei, you have to be hardcore fanboy/retard to not accept that fact. OK I get ur point of the pilots skill I still think setsuna would kill kira not because of the mobile suit is just the feeling that u get kira is just a coordinator he doesn't have skills is like innate but setsuna is a hardcore pilot to the bone he defeated the alvatore,graham acre's gn flag both are superpowered mobile suits and their pilots were like WTF super skilled for just another character and for what kira used his skills to defeat grunts,bacoows,the desert tiger and le cru ze, is that so hard setsuna went against the world with his teammates.he never got support from the ship like kira's and athrun's meteors from tthe eternal and he didn't have any arcangel ship or something like that for back up like I said dude Im a fan of all the gundam heroes I'm just saying from my point of view setsuna would kill kira even if they were fighting gouf vs gouf or zaku vs zaku. P.S. Devil gundam or Dark gundam however its called is a piece of thrash its just a stupid mad AI forget about him a real villain would be the gundam D.E.S.T.R.O.Y. or psycho gundam Since when did this become a Kira vs Setasuna discussion?? I pretty sure everyone with a brain will know that GN-particles jamming > Aimbot. Although Setasuna's skill are inconsistent, I'm still pretty damn sure it can own Kira's skills of shooting non moving targets. Setasuna may have the skills to defeat Jesus Yamato, however he's no where near the levels any UC mainstream protagonist (Amuro, Camille, Judai, and Uso). Your last sentence worries me. You do remember that DESTORY was only good when it first appeared, the second time it appeared as a mass produced unit, it was complete crap. Psycho Gundam and Psycho Gundam MK II are quite menacing, but with enough skills it can eventually be brought down. Your forgetting that Devil Gundam has 3 principles that makes it the KING among other mobile suits in the Gundam Universe. 1) self multiply 2) self evolve 3) self regenerate It can also use its DG cells to INFECT other machines and basically anything that's a living & moving being. Its also be able to absorb other things in Earth to supply energy for itself. Don't forget that the Devil Gundam evolution depends on the pilot who's piloting it. The only reason it was defeated was because the pilot at the time was Domon's girlfriend Rain. That's why He was able to us the power of love to defeat the Devil Gundam. If the female host for the Devil Gundam was different, the outcome would most likely be different and Domon would of had a possibility of losing. nah he even defeated it with kyouji inside his older brother the devil gundam is a piece of thrash he got destroyed by god gundams god finger or burning finger or gods hand there are diferent versions wait a minute since when this became a discussion from freedom and 00 to setsuna vs kira and now devil gundam vs psycho ? WTF lets get back to freedom and 00 dude what i was saying is that 00 would beat freedom but I didn't say easily he just beats it it has better mobility its faster and has trans-am but does anyone in this forum know that its futile argue since well never know?well until sunrise doesn't make a CE vs AD ova well never know so lets end thisand yes setsuna nor kira yamato can beat amuro,kamille or judai |
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ponky14 wrote: nah he even defeated it with kyouji inside his older brother the devil gundam is a piece of thrash he got destroyed by god gundams god finger or burning finger or gods hand there are diferent versions wait a minute since when this became a discussion from freedom and 00 to setsuna vs kira and now devil gundam vs psycho ? WTF lets get back to freedom and 00 dude what i was saying is that 00 would beat freedom but I didn't say easily he just beats it it has better mobility its faster and has trans-am but does anyone in this forum know that its futile argue since well never know?well until sunrise doesn't make a CE vs AD ova well never know so lets end thisand yes setsuna nor kira yamato can beat amuro,kamille or judai (you forgot to add Uso) Well the thing is... Kyouji is not a female (Wong was the one who research that only female pilots can make the Devil Gundam truly strong), he was also dying by the way. That's probably the reason why Domon beated the Devil Gundam, but yes we need to get back to topic. Back to topic, At first I thought Exia would lose against Freedom, but I then I got reminded that GN-particles jams lock on systems. Stupid me .Strike Freedom wouldn't even stand a chance against 00 w/0 Raiser (spec wise), there's a reason why Gundam veterans (I'm talking about people who seen them all) consider 00 Gundam WITH 0Raiser to be among the top 4 mobile suits in the Gundam Universe (without the 0 Raiser, 00 Gundam is definitely no where close to the top). |
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andydono wrote: ponky14 wrote: nah he even defeated it with kyouji inside his older brother the devil gundam is a piece of thrash he got destroyed by god gundams god finger or burning finger or gods hand there are diferent versions wait a minute since when this became a discussion from freedom and 00 to setsuna vs kira and now devil gundam vs psycho ? WTF lets get back to freedom and 00 dude what i was saying is that 00 would beat freedom but I didn't say easily he just beats it it has better mobility its faster and has trans-am but does anyone in this forum know that its futile argue since well never know?well until sunrise doesn't make a CE vs AD ova well never know so lets end thisand yes setsuna nor kira yamato can beat amuro,kamille or judai (you forgot to add Uso) Well the thing is... Kyouji is not a female (Wong was the one who research that only female pilots can make the Devil Gundam truly strong), he was also dying by the way. That's probably the reason why Domon beated the Devil Gundam, but yes we need to get back to topic. Back to topic, At first I thought Exia would lose against Freedom, but I then I got reminded that GN-particles jams lock on systems. Stupid me .Strike Freedom wouldn't even stand a chance against 00 w/0 Raiser (spec wise), there's a reason why Gundam veterans (I'm talking about people who seen them all) consider 00 Gundam WITH 0Raiser to be among the top 4 mobile suits in the Gundam Universe (without the 0 Raiser, 00 Gundam is definitely no where close to the top). Why, even without the 0 raiser it still produces particles I think he would rank 5 right after gundam x zeta gundam zz gundam and stargazer.but with the 00 raiser I think he would rank 1 or 2 cuss of the quantization and besides I think he'd be 1 even with out the 00 cuss the GN gundams are the only gundams with infinite energy[forgot freedom and justice they have nuclear reactors= infinite] I think the top 5 gundams would be 1.00 gundam w/out 0 raiser 2.strike freedom gundam 3.infinite justice gundam 4.RX-78-2 Gundam 5.stargazer unless devil gundam finds away to have infinite energy 00 would own him and if he gets infinite energy from the planet what happens after he sucks the planet dry BOOM! 00 owns his gundam ass |
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ponky14 wrote: andydono wrote: ponky14 wrote: nah he even defeated it with kyouji inside his older brother the devil gundam is a piece of thrash he got destroyed by god gundams god finger or burning finger or gods hand there are diferent versions wait a minute since when this became a discussion from freedom and 00 to setsuna vs kira and now devil gundam vs psycho ? WTF lets get back to freedom and 00 dude what i was saying is that 00 would beat freedom but I didn't say easily he just beats it it has better mobility its faster and has trans-am but does anyone in this forum know that its futile argue since well never know?well until sunrise doesn't make a CE vs AD ova well never know so lets end thisand yes setsuna nor kira yamato can beat amuro,kamille or judai (you forgot to add Uso) Well the thing is... Kyouji is not a female (Wong was the one who research that only female pilots can make the Devil Gundam truly strong), he was also dying by the way. That's probably the reason why Domon beated the Devil Gundam, but yes we need to get back to topic. Back to topic, At first I thought Exia would lose against Freedom, but I then I got reminded that GN-particles jams lock on systems. Stupid me .Strike Freedom wouldn't even stand a chance against 00 w/0 Raiser (spec wise), there's a reason why Gundam veterans (I'm talking about people who seen them all) consider 00 Gundam WITH 0Raiser to be among the top 4 mobile suits in the Gundam Universe (without the 0 Raiser, 00 Gundam is definitely no where close to the top). Why, even without the 0 raiser it still produces particles I think he would rank 5 right after gundam x zeta gundam zz gundam and stargazer.but with the 00 raiser I think he would rank 1 or 2 cuss of the quantization and besides I think he'd be 1 even with out the 00 cuss the GN gundams are the only gundams with infinite energy[forgot freedom and justice they have nuclear reactors= infinite] I think the top 5 gundams would be 1.00 gundam w/out 0 raiser 2.strike freedom gundam 3.infinite justice gundam 4.RX-78-2 Gundam 5.stargazer unless devil gundam finds away to have infinite energy 00 would own him and if he gets infinite energy from the planet what happens after he sucks the planet dry BOOM! 00 owns his gundam ass Might be irrelevant…. 00 may have infinite energy, but it’s still a man operated machine regardless of how skilled the pilot may be a human can’t go on forever. Whilst the devil gundam is independent and only requires a human as it’s life core. Plus its capabilities self multiply, self evolve and self regenerate devil gudam shouldn’t be taken lightly And I’m sure Setasuna would exhaust himself long before the earths completely drained. |
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X-Nephtis wrote: ponky14 wrote: andydono wrote: ponky14 wrote: nah he even defeated it with kyouji inside his older brother the devil gundam is a piece of thrash he got destroyed by god gundams god finger or burning finger or gods hand there are diferent versions wait a minute since when this became a discussion from freedom and 00 to setsuna vs kira and now devil gundam vs psycho ? WTF lets get back to freedom and 00 dude what i was saying is that 00 would beat freedom but I didn't say easily he just beats it it has better mobility its faster and has trans-am but does anyone in this forum know that its futile argue since well never know?well until sunrise doesn't make a CE vs AD ova well never know so lets end thisand yes setsuna nor kira yamato can beat amuro,kamille or judai (you forgot to add Uso) Well the thing is... Kyouji is not a female (Wong was the one who research that only female pilots can make the Devil Gundam truly strong), he was also dying by the way. That's probably the reason why Domon beated the Devil Gundam, but yes we need to get back to topic. Back to topic, At first I thought Exia would lose against Freedom, but I then I got reminded that GN-particles jams lock on systems. Stupid me .Strike Freedom wouldn't even stand a chance against 00 w/0 Raiser (spec wise), there's a reason why Gundam veterans (I'm talking about people who seen them all) consider 00 Gundam WITH 0Raiser to be among the top 4 mobile suits in the Gundam Universe (without the 0 Raiser, 00 Gundam is definitely no where close to the top). Why, even without the 0 raiser it still produces particles I think he would rank 5 right after gundam x zeta gundam zz gundam and stargazer.but with the 00 raiser I think he would rank 1 or 2 cuss of the quantization and besides I think he'd be 1 even with out the 00 cuss the GN gundams are the only gundams with infinite energy[forgot freedom and justice they have nuclear reactors= infinite] I think the top 5 gundams would be 1.00 gundam w/out 0 raiser 2.strike freedom gundam 3.infinite justice gundam 4.RX-78-2 Gundam 5.stargazer unless devil gundam finds away to have infinite energy 00 would own him and if he gets infinite energy from the planet what happens after he sucks the planet dry BOOM! 00 owns his gundam ass Might be irrelevant…. 00 may have infinite energy, but it’s still a man operated machine regardless of how skilled the pilot may be a human can’t go on forever. Whilst the devil gundam is independent and only requires a human as it’s life core. Plus its capabilities self multiply, self evolve and self regenerate devil gudam shouldn’t be taken lightly And I’m sure Setasuna would exhaust himself long before the earths completely drained. thats true but what about using diferent pilots over time .to self evolve and replicate devil gundam needs to hibernate a little beside u just destroy his human core and Kablam goodbye devil gundam see you in hell |
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ponky14 wrote: X-Nephtis wrote: ponky14 wrote: andydono wrote: ponky14 wrote: nah he even defeated it with kyouji inside his older brother the devil gundam is a piece of thrash he got destroyed by god gundams god finger or burning finger or gods hand there are diferent versions wait a minute since when this became a discussion from freedom and 00 to setsuna vs kira and now devil gundam vs psycho ? WTF lets get back to freedom and 00 dude what i was saying is that 00 would beat freedom but I didn't say easily he just beats it it has better mobility its faster and has trans-am but does anyone in this forum know that its futile argue since well never know?well until sunrise doesn't make a CE vs AD ova well never know so lets end thisand yes setsuna nor kira yamato can beat amuro,kamille or judai (you forgot to add Uso) Well the thing is... Kyouji is not a female (Wong was the one who research that only female pilots can make the Devil Gundam truly strong), he was also dying by the way. That's probably the reason why Domon beated the Devil Gundam, but yes we need to get back to topic. Back to topic, At first I thought Exia would lose against Freedom, but I then I got reminded that GN-particles jams lock on systems. Stupid me .Strike Freedom wouldn't even stand a chance against 00 w/0 Raiser (spec wise), there's a reason why Gundam veterans (I'm talking about people who seen them all) consider 00 Gundam WITH 0Raiser to be among the top 4 mobile suits in the Gundam Universe (without the 0 Raiser, 00 Gundam is definitely no where close to the top). Why, even without the 0 raiser it still produces particles I think he would rank 5 right after gundam x zeta gundam zz gundam and stargazer.but with the 00 raiser I think he would rank 1 or 2 cuss of the quantization and besides I think he'd be 1 even with out the 00 cuss the GN gundams are the only gundams with infinite energy[forgot freedom and justice they have nuclear reactors= infinite] I think the top 5 gundams would be 1.00 gundam w/out 0 raiser 2.strike freedom gundam 3.infinite justice gundam 4.RX-78-2 Gundam 5.stargazer unless devil gundam finds away to have infinite energy 00 would own him and if he gets infinite energy from the planet what happens after he sucks the planet dry BOOM! 00 owns his gundam ass Might be irrelevant…. 00 may have infinite energy, but it’s still a man operated machine regardless of how skilled the pilot may be a human can’t go on forever. Whilst the devil gundam is independent and only requires a human as it’s life core. Plus its capabilities self multiply, self evolve and self regenerate devil gudam shouldn’t be taken lightly And I’m sure Setasuna would exhaust himself long before the earths completely drained. thats true but what about using diferent pilots over time .to self evolve and replicate devil gundam needs to hibernate a little beside u just destroy his human core and Kablam goodbye devil gundam see you in hell That demolishes the whole concept of it, i mean when you pin 2 gundams against each other you also consider the assigned pilots. thats like me asking “what about Saji + 00 gundam vs Kira + strike freedom”. when rain became the life core he pretty much just regenerated there and then as well as absorbing the whole of Neo Japan seconds later, so I don’t think hibernating to regenerate or replicate applies to devil gundam in its ultimate form. Lets not forget what it actually took to reach the core let alone destroy it. |
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ponky14 wrote: Why, even without the 0 raiser it still produces particles I think he would rank 5 right after gundam x zeta gundam zz gundam and stargazer.but with the 00 raiser I think he would rank 1 or 2 cuss of the quantization and besides I think he'd be 1 even with out the 00 cuss the GN gundams are the only gundams with infinite energy[forgot freedom and justice they have nuclear reactors= infinite] I think the top 5 gundams would be 1.00 gundam w/out 0 raiser 2.strike freedom gundam 3.infinite justice gundam 4.RX-78-2 Gundam 5.stargazer unless devil gundam finds away to have infinite energy 00 would own him and if he gets infinite energy from the planet what happens after he sucks the planet dry BOOM! 00 owns his gundam ass Dude your ranking is completely wrong... Here's the REAL top 4 list. 1) Devil Gundam and Turn A Gundam 2) Turn X (its not even a Gundam, but so what its just that hax) 3) 00 Gundam with 0 Raiser Let me tell you something... ALL the mobile suits you saw since the start of the original Mobile Suit Gundam (UC timeline) run on Minovsky Ultracompact Fusion Reactor. By the way FUSION reactor has greater output compare to fission (Freedom runs on fission), making FUSION > FISSION. Now time to counter your ranks starting with Stargazer Gundam. Yes, like I said before, Stargazer has the potential of reaching to the speed of light, however that's only if its doesn't get interrupted while reaching that speed and it'll take the Stargazer FOREVER to reach that speed. Other than having that Beam catching ability, Stargazer isn't much of an threat. 4) RX-78-2 Gundam - I don't even know why you placed this as the 4th strongest ... RX-78-2 Gundam was created ONLY to combat Zakus... It was the skills of the best mobile suit pilot Amuro Ray that made it that godly.3) Infinite Justice - No... Just no... Nobel Gundam with/without its Berserker system can man handle IJ. 2) Strike Freedom - Did you forget that in the Cosmic Era world, they didn't have anything like Minovsky particles or GN-particles to jam Jesus Yamato's almighty aimbot?? Nu Gundam can pwn SF's ultimate DRAGOON system with just only 2 Fin Funnels... 1) 00 Gundam with & without the 0 Raiser - Does not make it first place... 00 Gundam without the 0 Raiser is no where near 1st place, let alone in the top 4 rank. Unicorn Gundam, Nu Gundam, Victory2 Gundam (without the Assault pack), F91 Gundam, God/Master/Speigal/Nobel/Rose Gundam (as long as the G. Gundam pilots use it), and Double X Gundam (if it had the mobile bits) can own the 00 Gundam (without 0 Raiser). Even with the 0 Raiser its ranked at the bottom of the top four suits. Here's informations on Turn A & Turn X on why its more ridiculously STRONGER than 00 Gundam WITH 0 Raiser ** Spoiler Alert!!! click to hide or show** -Real ammunition cannot damage its armour -Beam weapons are deflected by its I-field -Can teleport -Can warp its attacks (can warp a beam shot directly INTO a cockpit) -Beam rifle at maximum power is stronger than a colony laser -Regeneration -The Moonlight Butterfly that destroyed Earth's civilization was at 20% power -System Turn A's chest's multipurpose silo can summon weapons (it can only "summon" stuff from Earth, and apparently it can only be done with special devices made specifically for the Turn A.) -The Moonlight Butterfly at 100% output can cover everything from Earth to Jupiter -The teleportation system makes it possible for, as long as there are nanomachines available at all, regenerate everything entirely, including the pilot (Teleportation system apparently "saves" the status of the machine and everything in it and sends it somewhere. The nanomachines can use that data to regenerate everything (it just takes ages, depending on how much needs to be regenerated; Complete regeneration of everything is said to take thousands of years)) -The Turn Series uses DG cell technology (not stated if they actually use DG cells, probably just using some know-how from them in the nanomachines). -They're actually meant for newtypes to pilot, as they were created by the newtypes (who left the Earth sphere) for interstellar war. -The Turn A's hands are so sensitive they can be used to pick up a regular human-sized bucket of water. -The Keilas Guilie or however you spell it (the attack satellite and beam cannon from Victory Gundam) can't even scratch the Turn A, and the Turn X Top can take control of it remotely (Turn A probably can too). -Turn A's power source is two "縮退炉" ("degeneracy engines"). -The I-field beam drive system creates a film of particles over the surface of the machine and moves the parts (hence the lack of any need for motors and ZOINKS inside). ===================================================================================== >>運用思想は徹底した「単機による作戦行動」であり、通常の兵器に求 められる「用途に応じた機能の特化」という大原則を無視したものとなっ ている Turn A is created to carry out entire operations on its own (unlike other conventional weapons which are created just to fulfill certain roles) >>過去のガンダムシリーズのIフィールドとは異なり、∀ガンダムのそれ は実体弾及び衝撃波等にも対応している I-field works on physical ammunition and shock as well as beams. >>動力源の「DHGCP」は、資料では「縮退炉を2基搭載したもの」としか記 述されていない The info on the "DHGCP" in the setting materials just says that it uses two degeneracy reactors. Info on the beam rifle: >>共振粒子砲(リフェーザー砲)。 Is not a mega particle cannon but a "rephaser" (kanji says resonating particles) cannon. >>本機は巨大な宇宙戦闘艦と戦う事を想定していたため、高出力光学兵 装を有している Extremely powerful, as it was made to fight gigantic space battleships. Beam saber: >>プラズマを電磁場で固定し、敵を焼き切る Focuses electromagnetic fields with plasma to cut through enemies with heat. Gundam Hammer >>ハンマー部分からIフィールドを展開でき、それによって敵機体の駆動 系に干渉できる The Turn A spreads the I-field over the hammer itself and messes with the power of targets this way. Multipurpose silo: >>本来はビーム砲のドライブユニットやミサイルシステム、マシンガン など、近接戦闘用の各種武装や装備、または補助動力装置などを収納する ためのもの Originally meant for beam cannon drive units, missile systems, machine guns, other short-range weapons, additional power and so on. ===================================================================================== Continued, stuff not seen in the show: System ∀: >>何を指していたものか」は謎のままとなっている >>一説ではマルチパーパスサイロと連動した支援システム(空間跳躍に よって武装を転送するサポートシステム)が、それであるとする説もある It is unknown what "System ∀" actually refers to, but some think it has something to do with the multipurpose silo's weapon teleportation system. DOC Base and 7th-GMPT >>DOC(デバイスオペレーションコントロール)ベースと呼ばれるモビル アーマーや、“7th-GMPT”と呼ばれる兵器(もしくはシステム)などの設定が 考案されていたようだ。作品には出てきていないが、その名残があるもの もある。 A mobile armour called "DOC (device operation control) base" and a weapon or system called 7th-GMPT (for "7th generation Minovsky particle theory") existed as well. >>DOCベースは、∀ガンダムとセットで運用され、従来のモビルスーツの 運用を覆す強力な戦術システムであった。ここで∀ガンダムの胸部に収め る装備を状況に応じて変更しする整備・支援設備としての機能もあった。ベ ースはビシニティの地下に存在していたが、正暦の時代にはその機能を停 止していた[5]。設定画(もしくは設定画の案)もあったようで、その絵を 元に雑誌の企画でスクラッチビルドによるモデル化がされたこともあった。 The DOC base is a tactical system to come in a set with the Turn A that overturns conventional mobile suit operation. It has the ability to change the Turn A's chest compartment's equipment, and provide support. It was under Vicinity, but by the events of Turn A could no longer work. ART OF IT EXISTS, AND MODELS HAVE BEEN MADE OF BY MAGAZINES, APPARENTLY. ===================================================================================== >>DOCベースや7th-GMPTは劇中にこそ登場しないものの、番組放映当初にバ ンダイから発売されたプラモデルの機体解説にはこの名称が明記されている 。 DOC Base and 7th-GMPT never showed up canonically, but you can see their names in the model kit materials from the time. From the comic: >>黒歴史時代の∀がワンカット描かれており、右肩のサーベルラックに は通常のビームサーベルとは異なる詳細不明の装置が取り付けられている 。 Black History-era Turn A had something else (not a beam saber) in its right saber rack. What it is, is unknown. From the novels: >>「月光蝶を前面に放射しバリアーを形成」「機体の一部とナノマシン が残っていれば、数千年以上の時間はかかるものの機体の再生が可能」「 空間転移」などの機能も見せた The Moonlight Butterfly can be projected in front of the Turn A to create a barrier, if enough nanomachines and certain parts of the machine are left it can regenerate completely over a few thousand years, and it can teleport. >>このうち空間転移はアニメ中でも発動したような描写がある。第43話 バンデットの前でビームサーベルを回転させた後と、第44話でソシエとスエ ッソンが戦っている場に登場したシーンである。 Of these, the teleportation ability was seen in the show in episode 43 when it waved its beam sabers in front of the Bandit, and in episode 44 when Sochie and Sweatson Sutero were fighting. ===================================================================== Turn X. Concept-X 6-1-2 (Concept-X Project-6 Division-1 Block-2) Mystery MS found in a mountain cycle on the moon, with many things in common with the Turn A. Its name is supposed to mean "The one who strayed (turned) from the path at the tenth (X = 10) planet/star". (No, I have no ZOINKS idea what this is supposed to mean. Original text:「10番目(X=ローマ数字の10)の星により道を曲げられたもの」) Its has several different contradicting stories about its origin, and the truth is unknown. One explanation says that it was a machine made for interstellar travel by the newtypes that somehow found its way to Earth, and that the Earthnoids, expecting an invasion, then studied it to improve their technology and created the Turn A. On the other hand, Ghingnham says that it was created to be the successor to the Turn A, and that it is superior. (Note: I've seen stuff on 2ch saying that it was the Turn A that drifted to Earth, and that the Turn X is a copy based on it) The only definite fact we know off its past is that it fought the Turn A, lost, and that Earth's civilization was then destroyed by the Turn A. It is not symmetrical because it lost its shape as it repaired itself time after time. The X-shaped scar on its chest was caused by the Turn A and was too deep for the nanomachines to repair. The Turn X Top can control the Keilas Guilie, and its face is a traditional twin-eye Gundam one, hidden behind the helmet. -Equipment Back-mounted weapons platform ("Carapace"): Beam rifle Bazooka Hand beam cannon Triple missile launcher The platform can fly on its own, and seems to have space for more weapons that were never excavated. Said to also serve as a propulsion system for interstellar travel in some sources. Wire claw: Three equipped on the right hand. Wires with small claws and laser cannons on the tips, made for piercing enemy cockpits. ===================================================================================== Youdanhasai (hard to translate, but the basic nuance is "destroying by melting and tearing through") manipulator: Recorded in the machine's database as "Shining Finger". Unlike the real Shining Finger, it uses the I-field to shape a beam-thing or UGH MORE TECHNOBABBLE. The manipulator can also shape the beam-thing into a beam saber, or open fire with it like a beam rifle. The name "Shining Finger" is not on the setting materials. Also, its way of using the attack is based on the God Gundam's God Finger used against the Zeus Gundam. Triple beam projection system: Beam cannons located in the youdanhasai manipulator. Used during Bloody Siege. All-range attack system: The Turn X can split into nine parts (head, arms, legs, chest, back, hips, weapon platform) and float around firing beams. They can also generate a machine-disabling magnetic field when they surround a target. Bloody Siege: The name of the attack using the all-range attack system. |
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