Soran Ibrahim/Setsuna + 00 Gundam Vs Kira Yamato + Strike Freedom

NEITHER, KAMILLE AND AMURO WOULD BEAT THEM BOTH

Here we go again....lol...

It's up to u if that is your opinion and I appreciate it... It's kinda of topic btw...hahaha nevermind...

I know it's often happen when people start comparing amuro to kira.... And amuro undoubtedly is one of the
greatest gundam pilot of all time.... And it's up 2 u if u prefer him than kira or setsuna... But for me personally
I prefer kira then amuro. Kira's skill progressing as the series goes on and for me he is also one of the top gundam pilot,
since it's not easy to aim alot of people in one time without harming it's pilot... :lol:. Hi-mat alone won't be able to do that
without the gundam's pilot skill since it's only locked the MS not each part of it (main camera like kira always did) as shown in the Hi-mat monitor when it's locked into it's enemy (like globe radar thing), it's only my opinion though...
It's fair right?

Have a good day

Kira only once had to use an out dated suit to fight the current models and he got his ass handed to him in Strike Rouge.
but Amuro had to deal with the Gundam being out classed by Hi-Spec Zakus and Gelgoogs. that were on par with the the Gundam. Zeon's late OYW MS surpassed the many of the RX-78-2's specs. if fact Amuro was so good that he pushed the Gundam so beyond its intended limits that they made a new Gundam just for him In the RX-78NT "Alex".
then in Zeta Amuro is using a standard MP unit still kicking pawning all when not 100% himself yet.

Kira's shooting MS that dont move or even attack most the time is not skill but target practice.

Kira also has shown that he cant not adapt his fighting when someone figures out that he uses a very predictable style.

He protected eternal from Upgraded zaku's particle cannon that time, and to be able to do that he have to sacrificed rouge's hand since it wasn't strong enough. He cannot just let eternal get attacked and battle other zaku's right? Then there will be no SF and Infinite Justice in the end...=p

And after all I never denied Amuro's greatness right??


People always said the MS kira's targeted is not moving bla bla.... The fact is no one stop moving just stand there waiting to get shot in the war...=p. It's just a motion to shows that FULL BURST can attack a lot of target at the same time... I'm sure u understand that but a lot of people just dont want to admit it... I realize sooo many people dislike Kira out there and it's fine with me...
Cannot adopt like switching to killing people again?

Hard I think since kira's already made up his mind that he won't kill people again... The last people he killed is rau I think...

Kira himself already disarm impulse once before it change it's parts. And I'm sure it is well explained that kira's is focusing to help archangel get away and not battling impulse that time... Beside when he really wants to fight, he never really lose against shinn. Both in SF and freedom. I think in freedom if he really want to kill anyone (including shin in their fiest battle) he doesn't have to aim in so many target for one MS(arm,hand,leg) to beat them. He just have to aim for the cockpit and the job is done but he didnt do that =p. Even in SF he can kill shinn but he prefer to not hit it with a beam and prefer using his railgun just to give a shock on destiny gundam...

from the start of the battle he struggle even in an upgraded Strike (1st strike could not fly rouge did in GSD)

it not even in full burst it any time he does any thing the grunts dont move block or even attack him. the sit there of SHIT FREEDOM AHAHHAH. they get hot with rifle shots the same way. not skill


after Shinn pulled the same trick 3 times Kira didnt change at all he doesnt have to try and kill (something he did when he swung at Impulses cockpit be for it separated) but switching up moves and attack angles is something he could have done easily. and i hate he was protecting Archangel he was not he was focused in Shinn when Impulse attacked. Kira has Shinn out matched in nearly every way but still lost. because he is predictable and that makes him a bad pilot. if he had to go against any good pilot in a comparable or better MS he would .

He struggle? I didn't really see that. He looks fine until he sacrifice his right arm to protect eternal. Besides, using strike rouge against 25 or more upgraded zaku and gouf??? Are u kidding me?

Not moving? Not attacking? LOL are we really watching the same movie here? I prefer to said Their MS is completely outmatched in speed and everything ...Beside usually they attack first before then SF and freedom avoid all those attacks and chop off their hands and heads off..

Your statement is completely ridiculous. Then what happen to all of attack that kira's avoided against those bunch of enemies? Those beams, those incoming missiles, They dont really exist? C'mon, please get real and stop talking trash here. It's ok if u dont like kira as I said, but please stop speaking stupid nonsense. Any way I didn't said that amuro is sucks or what right? So what is the big deal?

Same trick like what? Avoiding attack coming from freedom to it's hand, head, and hip (he attacks the hip not the cockpit before shinn splits)? Switching up moves and angles like what? Did u even know He did that and what happen? He manage to avoid incoming sword attack from impulse, before he land a hit on impulse's head and arm(HE CAN CHOOSE WHEREVER HE WANTS)... Can u imagine what will happen if that time he choose to hit the cockpit and not those parts? THE BATTLE WOULD END ALREADY!! Do u get my point here? If he really wants he could just hit one vital part and end the battle soon enough but he choose to not too. He did lost, no matter what is the reason. And I didn't denied that... But if u said that he is fully concentrate in that battle against shinn, sorry I have to completely disagree with u. Beside, look what happen after that battle and SF battling against destiny, SF completely owns destiny so many times before legend comes and help to the rescue LOL .

Wtf? Kira never fought Bushido... He never piloted Exia... Exia never had the opportunity to use Trans-Am on Bushido/Graham Aker. Learn your Gundam timelines. Also, the only reason Setsuna got his ass handed to him was because Graham came up on him right after fighting the Albatore, in Trans-Am. Trans-Am expends a hell of a lot of GN particles, and the unit will perform rather slowly until the expended GN particles are replaced. And it's kinda surprising how Setsuna was able to match up with Graham Aker, cause Setsuna got his ass handed to him in one of the earlier episodes of 00, while they were in the atmosphere, before the discovery of Trans-Am. He would've been pwned, if he hadn't hidden in the ocean. Also, saying something does not make it true. Kira is faster using beam swords? That's the same as saying "C.E. beam weapons are stronger than A.D. beam weapons". You really don't have any proof of that.

...I really hope this thread means the 00 Gundam itself, without Raiser. At least make this match fair. Give Setsuna Exia. Seed Factor is nothing compared to Trans-Am. However, if you give them both Zakus, or a same mass-produced unit, Kira would win.

Watched Wing, Seed, Seed Destiny, and 00, in that order. I still like 00 best. Call me biased, but 00 would definitely win. While I'm here, I might as well say this. Gundanium Alloy is definitely better than Variable Phase Shift Armor. Of course, this is strictly my opinion.

As the opposite you also dont have any prove for that right? So it's all back on individual opinion to start with...



You really mean that seed is not a factor? exia can handle SF? Please stop speaking nonsense here... I know 00 gundam is great and add raiser on it makes it an incredible gundam... For the gundam itself both has it's own speciality, SF specialized in long range but can do well in melee combat, and 00 raiser is a melee specialist but also can do well in long range. If both of this gundam battling, there are a lot of factor which can affecting the result in the end. Let's say the pilot, both are extraordinary pilot give the fact that kira is an ultimate coordinator and setsuna is the genuine innovator both has enhanced capability compare to normal human. Kira is designed to be perfect while setsuna keep improving his ability and in the end able to reach the step where he become the only genuine innovator, this make them both are an extraordinary pilot. But dont forget, kira also has special ability which is SEED factor, and in the end he is able to develop new ability similar with the ability newtype possesses (i didnt say he is a newtype). Which is ability to sense the incoming attack coming from behind , and ability to control his remote weapon with his mind ( in some episode he shows this ability ). Based on this i prefer kira as a better pilot compare to setsuna. But in do or die situation i prefer setsuna, heero, and other pilot though since u know kira has his own decision not kill anyone in war which is actually pretty strange to understood. LOL

From ur statement, I also thought that u underestimate SF way too much... Since I think SF itself is comparable to 00 raiser gundam...
In terms of speed do u think 00 raiser is faster because it produce an after image while it is in trans am mode? Do u even know that inside SF wing there is an system called Voiture Lumeire which is also enhanced the speed of SF which is also installed in stargazer gundam and destiny gundam? Even though SF did not produce an after image like destiny did, this system also improves SF speed and make it an agile fighter. Plus based on manual of 1/100 mg SF kit released by BANDAI, SF also has an extended hi-mat system which never shown in the anime, It’s manifested when the HiMAT wings extend forward, revealing the gold-plated internal system, which in reality are solar energy collectors used to propel the Strike Freedom faster and faster. By using this 2 system I think SF is comparable to 00 gundam in terms of speed. I know 00 also has special ability called quantization which is like teleporting, but look what happen in the last episode ribbon able to predict the attack is coming and using his reflexes landed a fatal counter hit to 00. And using his enhanced spatial awareness ability (similar newtype ability) plus SEED factor I'm sure kira able to predict incoming attack better than ribbon did. In the end I prefer SF in this matchup.



There is not much I can argue in terms of armor since it has been said alot in other topic and the fact is no matter what the armor is, they are all weak against BEAM ATTACK... Thats why almost all gundam has beam shield... Up to u if u think 00 SURE will win, but based on the statement i said earlier i will say SF is the victorious.