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Post Reply Spirits/ghosts, angels, and demons. Do they exists?
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How about individual conditions. Some can see because:
-special biochemical processess within their bodies
- other special conditions like specail perception (stuff like synthesia).
Maybe the condition to see ghosts aren't geographical but bodily, like an elevation of senses or chemical processess in the body. That way there could be no evidence, only individual experience.
What I don't get is how ghosts are beyond our comprehension. They're just dead people's souls that linger right? I comprehend that.
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jestorebo wrote:
What I don't get is how ghosts are beyond our comprehension. They're just dead people's souls that linger right? I comprehend that.


Many people don't really know what a soul is, so it's hard for us to know what it would look like, or if we could even see it.
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crunchypibb wrote:


WeeBoX wrote:



Posting 5 times in succession, coupled with meaningless posts are to be considered as spam.

On topic, ghosts or the existence of paranormal entities would only be heightened and made true if the mind conceives them to be as such. Pre-conditioning works by committing to memory these notions of the existence of an object or an entity.

Whether these sightings are hallucinations or the real thing, it can only be justified if that person experiencing that event would believe it to be true and not his mind doing tricks on him. This is the funny thing about how our brain works, you can either dismiss an event to be insignificant or profess its reality to the confined of one's own mind.

I personally wouldn't want to believe that there are spirits amongst us, but then all these media and text have influenced me in such a way that not believing they exist could only mean that I am in denial.


Sometimes it makes me wonder if people have to see things to believe in things. Like, do people have to go back in history just to validate history in a textbook? Do we have to be part of the Holocaust just to realize it actually happened?


First-hand experience would be proof to a person involved. Historical events are a different matter though for they are archived and heavily backed-up by evidence. Even now, most historians would doubt and verify again and again the events that transpired in the past and would do further research to validate an event. Paranormal events, though part of our history lack concrete and irrefutable evidence, a reason why most people would doubt its existence.
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If ghosts and such were invisible/not materialistic conscious minds, then I would think they do not exist. I reckon it'd take a brain or some kind of substance to actually enable conscious thought, like us having a brain to be able to think and have a functional body as we do now, and that takes some kind of substance.
Going by that, it would be quite beyond our comprehension to acknowledge the existence of a conscious mind like ours existing within nothing. Beyond our comprehension, however, doesn't mean it doesn't exists I guess.

Otherwise, what the shit's up with psychics and some people saying they can see them or communicate with them and shizzle. I'm slightly skeptical about it but am quite intrigued about it, and would like to find out more about this.
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Cuddlebuns wrote:


crunchypibb wrote:
Sometimes it makes me wonder if people have to see things to believe in things. Like, do people have to go back in history just to validate history in a textbook? Do we have to be part of the Holocaust just to realize it actually happened?


No, we don't have to because we know that all the things that happened during the holocaust and all other historic events are within humans' abilities (I dunno if that makes sense). We know that any leader of any major nation could command their army to go out and capture people and force them into concentration camps right now if they wanted to. But since ghosts aren't walking through everyone's walls all the time every day, and many of the people who supposedly see them tend to be uneducated, or mentally unstable in some way, or have over-active imaginations, it's hard for the idea to be widely accepted.


@ Cuddlebuns: You made that last sentence sound like a rather blantant statement but it really sounds like you just pulled that one out of your head. I've known a lot of sane people who have had experience with invisible entities and have been proven to many times in the past, including myself. You might want to ask h4x0rz about this, he's the first post after my topic start.

@ WeeBoX: True, but like I said to Cuddlebuns I've had experiences with the invisible. One night I prayed to God to wake me up at 4am so I could finish some homework. My biological alarm clock was set for like 5:30am during school and I never wake up before then, the alarm always wakes me up from my dreams. That same night I opened my eyes approxiamately 4am to my clock. I couldn't believe myself. I had not even anticipated on waking up cause I was so damn tired but after waking up promptly I felt like I already had a fully woken up.
Trust me, I'm pretty sane and educated unlike what Cuddlebuns said.
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ive had encounters but then again i may have been imagining it..!!as demons and angels...ummm not really sure
what to say!!
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It's a question of belief more than anything else. If you truly believe in ghosts and goblins, then they exist, if you believe the reverse, then that is also true. Even if a belief truly exists in only one person on the planet, it does exist so at least in their reality, said entities are real da?

Personally, I would be inclined to think they exist. Due to my religious views and location, this is not exactly what one would consider an amazing fact since both religions i follow are somewhat spirit-heavy, for lack of a better term ^^

Going by science and all the proofs, and untruths, people wave about on the internet, I just figure science cannot prove everything, and is always being updated in any case. So what if it is unable to see a spirit now, it might see one in ten years, or a hundred, no big deal. Even if it never does, it's hardly about the change the beliefs of a person now, as they can always use some weird logic to justify their actions.

Sort of brings me to an argument we had in psych 101 back at university, one student was asking about god and if people were crazy for thinking he was real, the professor told us the following story about his training;

When he was about the same age as we were, one of his classmates told their professor they heard voices talking to them. Naturally, the professor inquired into the nature of these voices. The student told him the truth, the voices belonged to three people, and they could see everything, knew everything and were all-powerful, plus they could reward him if he listened to the voices. Sometimes though, they wanted him to do things he didn't really want to do, or things that might hurt other people (but would be better for them in the long term).

Naturally, the professor of their class was a little alarmed, somehow not noticing the ploy the student was giving his way, and strongly suggested a course of treatment to be worked out with a independent psychologist. The student smiled and said "Well, what if i told you the voices were The Father, Son and Holy Spirit?". The professor angled his head thinking, then slowly said "I guess that's alright then".

Makes you think sort of.
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@ WeeBoX: True, but like I said to Cuddlebuns I've had experiences with the invisible. One night I prayed to God to wake me up at 4am so I could finish some homework. My biological alarm clock was set for like 5:30am during school and I never wake up before then, the alarm always wakes me up from my dreams. That same night I opened my eyes approxiamately 4am to my clock. I couldn't believe myself. I had not even anticipated on waking up cause I was so damn tired but after waking up promptly I felt like I already had a fully woken up.
Trust me, I'm pretty sane and educated unlike what Cuddlebuns said.


There are indeed a lot of phenomenon which are difficult to explain for which faith could only supply. But then again, I would just like to add that although faith is proof enough for some, its teachings don't sit well with most cynics. I, for one, could infer that you waking up at 4 AM although this isn't your normal waking time, is accounted for the fact that your subconscious is creating a stimulus which allowed you to rouse earlier than usual; which would then falsify the existence of Divine interference.

But as I've stated before, there is a limit to what we could and could not explain in this world. It is really a matter of believing what you choose to believe and having conviction for it. Believing on an invisible and omniscient existence we know as God, takes a giant leap of faith for which none could be swayed.
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crunchypibb wrote:

@ WeeBoX: True, but like I said to Cuddlebuns I've had experiences with the invisible. One night I prayed to God to wake me up at 4am so I could finish some homework. My biological alarm clock was set for like 5:30am during school and I never wake up before then, the alarm always wakes me up from my dreams. That same night I opened my eyes approxiamately 4am to my clock. I couldn't believe myself. I had not even anticipated on waking up cause I was so damn tired but after waking up promptly I felt like I already had a fully woken up.
Trust me, I'm pretty sane and educated unlike what Cuddlebuns said.


There are indeed a lot of phenomenon which are difficult to explain for which faith could only supply. But then again, I would just like to add that although faith is proof enough for some, its teachings don't sit well with most cynics. I, for one, could infer that you waking up at 4 AM although this isn't your normal waking time, is accounted for the fact that your subconscious is creating a stimulus which allowed you to rouse earlier than usual; which would then falsify the existence of Divine interference.

But as I've stated before, there is a limit to what we could and could not explain in this world. It is really a matter of believing what you choose to believe and having conviction for it. Believing on an invisible and omniscient existence we know as God, takes a giant leap of faith for which none could be swayed.


Bravo, the first intelligent answer I have ever gotten from a debate (in cr in general). The only thing I'll add is that you made a good rebuttal to my first-hand account, except that you can never know what really happened to me in detail. This isn't for you but for the audience. Besides, when you pray to God it is rarely on your timing; you'll pretty much never anticipate your request because it is up to God to decide when the right time is, much like when you ask anyone else. Mine was just one of those rare times.
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i believe that they exist, but are not inherently good/evil. they simply exist, and if they are disrespected, they will punish you. likewise, proper ways of respecting these spirits could have them protecting you or helping you in some way.
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crunchypibb wrote:
@ Cuddlebuns: You made that last sentence sound like a rather blantant statement but it really sounds like you just pulled that one out of your head. I've known a lot of sane people who have had experience with invisible entities and have been proven to many times in the past, including myself. You might want to ask h4x0rz about this, he's the first post after my topic start.


Having an overactive imagination doesn't necessarily mean you're crazy or dumb, and I also say they tend to appear to those kind of people, not that they are the only ones who "see" them. It wasn't just some random statement, it was based on my personal observations of people who claim to have had experiences with ghosts, and most of them are either insane or they can't think of any better explanation as to what happened.

Also, I don't know many people who consider God to be similar to a common ghost/soul/whatever.
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i believe their existence. i think it's not good to ignore and not respect them.

for myself, i don't see them but if their presence are very strong then i can feel them.
it's not hallucination or whatever.

not everyone can feel them because whether you see them, it's their decision and they don't usually appear visible to us.
this exclude the fact that you have the 'eyes'

another saying is the 'magnetic field' in us are different.
if one's positive field is stronger, he/she won't be able to feel their presence.

ya. i'm ignoring the science part, lol coz not everything can be scientifically explained.


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Yes they exist.
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Cuddlebuns wrote:
Having an overactive imagination doesn't necessarily mean you're crazy or dumb, and I also say they tend to appear to those kind of people, not that they are the only ones who "see" them. It wasn't just some random statement, it was based on my personal observations of people who claim to have had experiences with ghosts, and most of them are either insane or they can't think of any better explanation as to what happened.

Also, I don't know many people who consider God to be similar to a common ghost/soul/whatever.


Go away Cuddlebuns, before I start flaming you. Ghosts are not the same as the tooth fairy or santa claus. Go find sane people who have seen spirits, they'll give you a good explaination. Obviously this is just a one sided debate, you're too dense.
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mmmm... i hope they exist
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