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Post Reply Spirits/ghosts, angels, and demons. Do they exists?
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Yes do exist it those unexplained sound you hear at night. Best check under your bed before you go to sleep Freddy there a stuffed teddy bear ready to chew up in the middle of the night. Make sure your closet door are locked up there always something in there that wants to kill and eat you. Maybe a giant spider with ten inch fangs the venom just paralyze you and your are consumed still being able to fell every thing that happens.That sound in the acetic or basement just a dead evil sprite that want to rip up and through body parts all over they place. Or maybe they drag you to hell and ever one that knew you forgets that you ever existed.
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Posted 8/21/10 , edited 8/21/10
Of course they exist! If you all around you, and you see a fella with no feet, chances, dear, are ten to one that man's a ghost. Similarly, if you see a fella with cloven feet, you have just encountered a demon.
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No, I do not believe ghosts/demons/spirits exist. To quote Christopher Hitchens, 'What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.'
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Some things are only visible to faith.
If them psychiatrists believe that seeing these stuffs are nothing but a product of our colorful imaginations, then that's it, and if the people of God believe that angels and demons and spirits and whatnot truly exists [claiming that they've seen them], it's not like we can convince them to follow what we believe in. We all have different opinions, that's why no one can really claim that they are right. ._.
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Phyzjob wrote:

Some things are only visible to faith.
If them psychiatrists believe that seeing these stuffs are nothing but a product of our colorful imaginations, then that's it, and if the people of God believe that angels and demons and spirits and whatnot truly exists [claiming that they've seen them], it's not like we can convince them to follow what we believe in. We all have different opinions, that's why no one can really claim that they are right. ._.


I agree with you, you can't force someone or in general convince someone to abandon a belief. However, I'd say most non-believers in ghosts /angels/demons et cetera aren't saying there aren't any 100% but are asking for proof.

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No, I do not believe ghosts/demons/spirits exist. To quote Christopher Hitchens, 'What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.'


Hmmmmm......... Then I guess it depends on ones definition of evidence!
For some it is, & only is the physically tangible, in your hand evidence. For others it has to be the formula in mathematical equations which comes out in an equality agreed to by their peers. Others may claim their gut instinct, intuition-- when it, indeed, turns out to be the expected outcome.
Me? I'm still waiting for an encounter with an alien from outer space...... my gut tells me there has to be other life forms in God's great universe. ( Ooops! --did I venture into another forum discussion?)
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MSherid89 wrote:

No, I do not believe ghosts/demons/spirits exist. To quote Christopher Hitchens, 'What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.'


Hmmmmm......... Then I guess it depends on ones definition of evidence!
For some it is, & only is the physically tangible, in your hand evidence. For others it has to be the formula in mathematical equations which comes out in an equality agreed to by their peers. Others may claim their gut instinct, intuition-- when it, indeed, turns out to be the expected outcome.
Me? I'm still waiting for an encounter with an alien from outer space...... my gut tells me there has to be other life forms in God's great universe. ( Ooops! --did I venture into another forum discussion?)


Well that claim can also be put to the same peer review.

question... How do you come to a Predicted Outcome? "is it usually through repetitive experiences and evidence.?"

I can predict wen the next solar eclipse will happen by charting the movements of are planet and the moon, around are sun.

question... What is intuition? Is it not a grasp or understanding came about through experience, and comparison?


So can we agree that ideals and claims do require evidence? An those that do not have are dismissed is just how someone rationlize reality and use logic?

(its to bad people shut that part of their brain off wen religion is involved. as an example of why this is the case I turn to a study on monkey vs kids and the Magic Box. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIAoJsS9Ix8)


As for Instincts that is another matter all together, being it uses another part of the brain, the primal brain. (that is primitive forms of chemical reactions that controls emotions.) such as are primal fear of the dark, because who knows what is lurking out their ( Fear of the unknown). But don't get me wrong Primal brain is necessary non-the-less for own survival. Because are reaction to large animals with big teeth and large claws, and are natural reaction to are own kind as a herd animal / we are drawn to each other, this creates communities, and that creates safety, hence why are species serviced. Those that primal brain did not have that type of wiring would have been a easier target as a food source and so would have died off, making it so only the primal ancestors of ares, passing on the group mentality primal instinct makes us who we are.


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What is intuition? Is it not a grasp or understanding came about through experience, and comparison?



Gosh, DP! I'm not sure.... my ancient copy of Webster's defines "intuition" thus:
The power of knowing,or the knowledge obtained, w/o recourse to
inference [that is to say w/o a logical conclusion from given data]
or
reasoning [& here to- w/o thinking with a view to a conclusion believed to be valid; & w/o proofs or arguments resulting from the use of reason];
innate or instinctive knowledge; familiarity, a quick or ready apprehension.

I'm guessing you may be thinking intuitions must originate in the mental process from past experiences we've lived thru. I don't think I totally disagree w/ that, but wouldn't that mean intuition works at a subconscious level? Now I'm wondering, does that still qualify as true reasoning thru comparison as a result of understanding thru experience?
I wonder if intuition is allowable w / in a discussion of required proofs & evidences? Intuition's legitimacy would only come to light after the event or outcome (similar to the prophetic).

You also mention

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:
its to bad people shut that part of their brain off wen religion is involved.


saying one shuts off their brain because of buying into a religion because of a comparison test between human children & chimps has me scratching my head- but I can be dense at times totally missing connections & segues. Please, feel free to enlighten me.
I would like to counter that, in my own personal religious faith, I would not be able to practice it w /o my brain engaged, but I do think I understand the archetype to which you refer.
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I still want to see an alien from outer space...........
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I still want to see an alien from outer space...........


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5lnavfxZWo
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I have seen a ghost before in my house, and felt it touch me too. It's a dog. Lol.
When I slept in my old room at night I would feel strange things. It felt often like there was something sitting at the end of my bed. I couldn't sleep in the dark. When the lights went out I'd have panic attacks. I'd flush cold and have trouble breathing.
One night I went to the kitchen for a glass of water because I couldn't sleep. I sat on the sofa and saw out the corner of my eye a dog walk out from behind the counter. it was only there for a second.
It's unlikely I was imagining this because I had never seen that breed of dog before. After a search on internet it turned out to be a jack russel. Smooth coated variety. I'd never seen one like that before.
My mother had actually unearthed some bones from the garden shortly before i saw this. I'm pretty sure the people who lived here before us had animals.

I also believe in haunted objects. I brought what I thought to be driftwood home from the beach one day. On closer inspection it turned out to be a shard of bone that had been weathered down. I left it on my windowsill and at night I would hear rain pouring down on the window. I like watching rain so i went to peek out the curtains... there was no rain. Starting to get weirded out after the 4th or so occurrence of this I moved it to a drawer under my VCR. Even at this stage, nobody uses VCRs anymore, so when it started turning on and off it was so scary...because it's not like i'd left it on and it was switching off to save power. I unplugged it and then the DVD player started switching on and off...
I got rid of the bone soon after, returning it to the beach, and it's not given me trouble since.
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A quote from someone-


How would you prove that you aren't just a brain in a jar and you're the only person that really exists, but you're connected up to a computer that makes you believe that other people exist too. This mindset is called solipsism, it's the consideration that your existence is the only thing you can be sure of.

How would you be able to prove that the world did not instantaneously pop into existence at this very moment in the state that it currently is and all your memories of previous times is just the data that your head was made with at the moment the world was created.

This is why it's important to come to conclusions based on observations and not the random suggestions of curious minds. All other things have a null probability or possibility until further data suggests otherwise.


I like to base my opinions from objective evidence.
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They are real enough to me, due to my past experiences, so I think they definitely exist.
Posted 8/23/10

phantomkirby wrote:

A quote from someone-


How would you prove that you aren't just a brain in a jar and you're the only person that really exists, but you're connected up to a computer that makes you believe that other people exist too. This mindset is called solipsism, it's the consideration that your existence is the only thing you can be sure of.

How would you be able to prove that the world did not instantaneously pop into existence at this very moment in the state that it currently is and all your memories of previous times is just the data that your head was made with at the moment the world was created.

This is why it's important to come to conclusions based on observations and not the random suggestions of curious minds. All other things have a null probability or possibility until further data suggests otherwise.


I like to base my opinions from objective evidence.
Ah the fallibility of the concept known as "creation" itself, for if reality only came to "existence" as we "independently" came to know it, through we subjecting ourselves to our "individual" sensory perception. What's not to believe the possibility of our self-awareness/"creation" was caused by manipulation of our sensory perception alone?

Rene Descartes, you're one sick bastard.
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farmbird wrote:

I still want to see an alien from outer space...........


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cWje-8b-ug&feature=rec-exp_fresh+div-1r-31-HM

Evidence for life on mars.

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