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Post Reply Spirits/ghosts, angels, and demons. Do they exists?
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1) I don't understand humanity's obsession with the desire to know about everything, and find "evidence" for everything. We have to prove everything and have an explanation for everything, rather than just accepting the universe as is and leaving the mysteries there.

2) Proof, proof, proof, proof. The whole idea of "spirits, ghosts, and angels" are that they transcend the sensory world. It's the idea of things existing from a different domain, a different order. There's no way to explain what is essentially unexplainable.

2) Both methods are empirical. Physicists derive their knowledge from experiments, mystics from meditative insights. Both are observations. Of course, the object of observation is different.

3) I think science should be pursued as far as it can. But there's a limit to it too. When I said "just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist," I was thinking more of Plato's Allegory of the Cave than Santa Claus or the flying spaghetti monster. But since you insist on science, I can give you a scientific example as well. In physics, are the realms of the atomic and subatomic world accessible to the ordinary senses? No. But they do exist.

I suppose it can be more comforting for people to know that they are made up of cells, flesh, DNA and that when they die, they'll rot buried in the ground forever. On the other hand, I see why humans want something deeper. There is a certain need for spirituality, for God, etc. Whether or not spirits and such exist, who knows. Then I suppose you are right, it sounds just as absurd as me trying to tell you that my imaginary friend actually exists. But it should also be noted that there are religious, spiritual scientists, and many notable scientists (Einstein, Pauli, Heisenberg) have espoused mysticism.


Are you kidding me? Would a society that embrace ignorant and beliefs without evidence be a place where you want to live?

1. The universe and everything in it is amazing, it's full of mysteries, when you uncover these mysteries, you get even stranger mysteries an even more awesome The truth is far more amazing than any fiction.

2. Then those things are by definition beyond the natural world or sensory world, as you said. They cannot be sensed (see, touch, feel, hear etc). So it's damn strange many people who do sense it. If it can interact with the natural world however, if it can be sensed, it should be under scrutiny of the scientific method.

3. Unfair comparison and irrelevant. I don't watch anime to find the truth about the world. Maybe a little XD but mainly I do because I enjoy watching fantasies etc. Those who meditate etc gains transcendence insights etc. which is like when you see the rainbow early in the morning, when its raining a little and you're in full awe and wonderment and stuff. Or when you hear a piece of music that really touched your soul like you have goosebumps & full of awe and wonder and stuff.

4. Hmm... That's exactly what I'm arguing for. We do not rely on our senses only to learn about the world. Like I said earlier our senses are actually unreliable so we shouldn't rely on our senses only. Which is where the scientific method comes in: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method I really can't be bothered to explain it unless you want me to. And please watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wV_REEdvxo [10.06]


Whaat? Please watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D05ej8u-gU [3.33] + When I think of what will happen when I die, I'm always marvelled by the fact that my atoms one day could be come part of a star/planet/trees aka be part of the world again for trillion of years. There are so many wonder in this world, like our brain is the most complex systems that we know of, there are more neurons and connections than there are stars in our entire galaxy (holy shit?)

I'm a Buddhist who meditate from time to time, I find awe and wonder every where I look, music, movie, nature etc. and although I'm still a noobie and have not feel the transcendental feelings that meditation has to offer, but I do know many people who has. There is nothing supernatural about this, in fact it has been studied quite extensively on the effect of meditation has on the brain. But of course, on the course of history, people of different cultures have associate these feelings with mysticism or their religious beliefs etc. It's a god of the gaps fallacies. We made things up or associate these feelings to unexplained phenomenon like lightning, earthquake etc to explain the natural world. We humans are like that, we tend to try to explain everything.
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Posted 3/17/12 , edited 3/17/12
I don't care. I'm an Atheist.
Just keeping it simple.
But I guess there is a certain appeal in believing that there are creepy critters hovering around.
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I think something like that exists because i have been bothered by them before. i don't know if its a demon or spirit or what, but alot of times they talk to me. sometimes they make my muscles twitch.
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They are real but ALL of them are demons.. [pls don't argue i beg you] When a person die they either go to hell or heaven, that's it. there's No purgatory or any "Lost souls" Some people say that "they had seen their dead relatives or dead person" This may be true.. that they had seen something but it's not who they think it is., it's actually a demon trying to Like scare you or stuff? If you don't agree it's fine


Actually, they're not demons, but I can see how you could mistake that. They are of the Ice Giants from the North. Legend has it that Odin and his sons destroyed them all long long time ago, but apparently some of them did live on. They rose from their Cursed World more often nowadays, they lure us, deceive us in many ways to weaken us from our faith. They know that those who destroyed them a long long time ago is not here anymore. I pray for humanity when the Ice Giants decide to take the physical forms and destroyed us all. Like it was predicted in the Holy Book.

Repent now and take the Holy Hammer of Thor, jam it in your rear. Before it's too late!

Praise our Holy Father! Odin! Odin! Odin!




*edit: note: I know you don't want to "argue" but I'm just demonstrating the fallacy you're making I hope you take no offence



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Posted 3/18/12
I actually wasn't offended .. but i LOL'ed a lot instead xDDD
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hellgirl- wrote:

They are real but ALL of them are demons.. [pls don't argue i beg you] When a person die they either go to hell or heaven, that's it. there's No purgatory or any "Lost souls" Some people say that "they had seen their dead relatives or dead person" This may be true.. that they had seen something but it's not who they think it is., it's actually a demon trying to Like scare you or stuff? If you don't agree it's fine


Actually, they're not demons, but I can see how you could mistake that. They are of the Ice Giants from the North. Legend has it that Odin and his sons destroyed them all long long time ago, but apparently some of them did live on. They rose from their Cursed World more often nowadays, they lure us, deceive us in many ways to weaken us from our faith. They know that those who destroyed them a long long time ago is not here anymore. I pray for humanity when the Ice Giants decide to take the physical forms and destroyed us all. Like it was predicted in the Holy Book.

Repent now and take the Holy Hammer of Thor, jam it in your rear. Before it's too late!

Praise our Holy Father! Odin! Odin! Odin!




*edit: note: I know you don't want to "argue" but I'm just demonstrating the fallacy you're making I hope you take no offence



" What can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence"


Ohh that beautifull Christopher Hitchens quote *pinks away a tear*
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Posted 3/25/12 , edited 3/25/12
There may be some higher intelligence out somewhere in the universe. Who knows?
What I do know is that ghosts does not exist. There is nothing that scientificly indicates that humans (or animals for that matter) have an "immortal soul".


TheRealEscargotpudding

1) I don't understand humanity's obsession with the desire to know about everything, and find "evidence" for everything. We have to prove everything and have an explanation for everything, rather than just accepting the universe as is and leaving the mysteries there.


Because curiosity and the need to know is a natural part of the human psyche.
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i want to think ghosts are real just so that i can think that people are with me if i get lonly to to be honest i dont think they are, i have yet to see any solid evidence of this and untill i do i have to stay sceptic
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They don't exists, says Physics
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Posted 4/22/12

shuyi000 wrote:

They don't exists, says Physics


How so? There is a lack of objective evidence that they exist , but I don't think there's any law of physics that rules them out.
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maffoo wrote:


shuyi000 wrote:

They don't exists, says Physics


How so? There is a lack of objective evidence that they exist , but I don't think there's any law of physics that rules them out.


Assume ghost exist... then what is it made up of?
A massless particle without energy?

A spirit of a person...or the assumption of having an afterlife...?
Neuroscience tell us that different part of the brain control different aspect of us... the more severe the damage to the brain, the more you lose control over yourself...
...after you're dead, your brain dies and suddenly you becomes a spirit that can think as your brain is brand new?

I can assume that Angels and Demons exist... but they would be like normal creature like us.. without magic
..Without supernatural powers... are they still considered Angels/Demons?
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Posted 4/30/12
probably....
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spirit comes from spiritus which means, air, breath or wind. in ancient times spirits are used to describe the air around us and air in the lungs. birds are called messengers of the gods that's where the myth of angels originates from
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Posted 8/11/12
I've had a few experiences of my own, growing up in a haunted house so yeah I'd say they do---
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Posted 8/13/12
Seeing my first ghosts when I was around 3-5 and through the years growing up til now that I'm 23. Hell yeah they are real. It's always interesting to see skeptics that see ghosts/spirits whatever it is too -freak out and still try to lie to themselves that there is a perfectly logically reason to why they are seeing what they are seeing.
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