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Post Reply Spirits/ghosts, angels, and demons. Do they exists?
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You said that they are made of brain waves, which is electricity. We can easily detect it because we can hear it and feel it. I'm sure you've felt static electricity plenty of times, and that you've heard various electrical machines whining, that is what you would hear and feel if a ghost is made of electricity.

All I know of ghosts is what I see in TV/movies and hear in stories, since those are the only places they exist, and in all of them depict ghosts as entities that move at various speeds or stay in place as they wish, which electricity isn't able to do.

Well, I did said at first that ghosts are psychic attachments of the deceased to this world. I wasn't sure what type of energy is psychic energy that why I answered:


Um, mental or brain wave energy?


So ghosts may or may not be made of electricity but they're only psychic attachments, you know, deep feelings made on an object, person or place and is not an entity that have the capacity to think or react to stimuli. About electricity always being felt, it's not always true, you can store static electricity on your clothes and/or body without feeling it. Actually electricity can stop moving and this is called "static electricity". (I wish I could explain more about static electricity but I want to make this short).

I think you're too heavily influenced by what you saw in the movies and TV about ghosts, we can't even prove whether ghosts are real or not. I do believe that they're real but they're not spirits. We may also classify psychic energy as a spiritual one but I don't believe in that coz our perception about souls and spirits differs from culture and religion which is not reliable.

Btw, I remembered this show on TV titled "scariest places on earth" in which guests explore a haunted place with gadgets that can either detect heat and/or electricity because they suggest that ghosts are made out of electro magnetic energy. If you've watched some horror movies, a light bulb starts flashing on and off when a ghost is about to appear because of its disturbance of the magnetic field etc. So it's widely suggested that ghosts are made out of electricity. But in my opinion, ghosts are made out of psychic energy.
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Well, I did said at first that ghosts are psychic attachments of the deceased to this world. I wasn't sure what type of energy is psychic energy that why I answered


Um, mental or brain wave energy?


So ghosts may or may not be made of electricity but they're only psychic attachments, you know, deep feelings made on an object, person or place and is not an entity that have the capacity to think or react to stimuli.


So if this "psychic energy" is the remnant of a deceased person, then that means that everyone has this energy within them, which means we should all have psychic powers, right? And we should also be able to detect and measure it within any and every human using some type of device, and as far as I know many people have tried and failed to build such devices or invent other methods of detecting psychic energy. Considering that billions, maybe trillions of humans have died throughout history, there should be remains of psychic energy all over the place, so it shouldn't be hard to detect because it should be affecting us and our surroundings in some way.


About electricity always being felt, it's not always true, you can store static electricity on your clothes and/or body without feeling it. Actually electricity can stop moving and this is called "static electricity". (I wish I could explain more about static electricity but I want to make this short).

I'm pretty sure that the atmosphere can't hold static electricity at any level in which humans live in, only higher up in the sky. If ghosts were static electricity, then they'd have to exist within some object and wouldn't be able to float around freely as they are often portrayed doing.


I think you're too heavily influenced by what you saw in the movies and TV about ghosts, we can't even prove whether ghosts are real or not. I do believe that they're real but they're not spirits. We may also classify psychic energy as a spiritual one but I don't believe in that coz our perception about souls and spirits differs from culture and religion which is not reliable.

It's weird how you deny some supernatural phenomena but accept others. It's like believing that air is real but oxygen isn't. Or like believing that one god is real but the other's aren't.


Btw, I remembered this show on TV titled "scariest places on earth" in which guests explore a haunted place with gadgets that can either detect heat and/or electricity because they suggest that ghosts are made out of electro magnetic energy. If you've watched some horror movies, a light bulb starts flashing on and off when a ghost is about to appear because of its disturbance of the magnetic field etc. So it's widely suggested that ghosts are made out of electricity. But in my opinion, ghosts are made out of psychic energy.


What effect does psychic energy it have on atoms (i.e heat makes them move faster, electricity gives them charge, etc)? If it is physical energy then it must have some type of physical effect.
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I dont believe in gost and spirit stuff. But I do believe in angels and demons. But not how most people think they are described in movies and stuff.
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So if this "psychic energy" is the remnant of a deceased person, then that means that everyone has this energy within them, which means we should all have psychic powers, right?


Um yes, but not everyone have fully used or even have the knowledge to use them.


And we should also be able to detect and measure it within any and every human using some type of device, and as far as I know many people have tried and failed to build such devices or invent other methods of detecting psychic energy.


As of now, we can't even classify psychic energy, then how can you detect it?


Considering that billions, maybe trillions of humans have died throughout history, there should be remains of psychic energy all over the place, so it shouldn't be hard to detect because it should be affecting us and our surroundings in some way.


I'll say this again, ghosts are psychic connections because of an intense feeling on an object, person or place. Not everyone who dies have this kind of attachment. Some die in peace without regrets, some die violently and forced their feelings on the place where they died or buried and other situations. Not every object has a psychic attachment to the dead not even every inch of this earth, it's only on those which mattered to the person who died.


I'm pretty sure that the atmosphere can't hold static electricity at any level in which humans live in, only higher up in the sky. If ghosts were static electricity, then they'd have to exist within some object and wouldn't be able to float around freely as they are often portrayed doing.


Again about static electricity, did you knew that the biggest display of static electricity is lightning? Go figure! We live in an environment surrounded by electrons and electrical charges which means static electricity can be made anywhere. Just rub a balloon to your hair and you can produce static electricity. Didn't they thought you that in physics class? Did I said that ghosts are made up of static electricity?


It's weird how you deny some supernatural phenomena but accept others. It's like believing that air is real but oxygen isn't. Or like believing that one god is real but the other's aren't.


I do believe in ghosts and that they are supernatural phenomena but not as how we view or understand them as souls or spirits. If we consider ghosts as souls then religion comes in. When religion comes in then "god" comes in. Then some religions view "god" as a giant spirit then he is a ghost. Wow. Mixing ghosts into religion and folklore just confuses things that why I arrive to the conclusion that ghosts are not spirits because of the differing views on it by cultures and religions. We invented the term "spirits" and "soul" just to explain what ghosts are but not really studying for what they really are. I believe that we haven't completely discovered what our mind can do, so I classify ghosts as a psychic attachment stemming from the power of the mind and strong emotions of the person before he/she dies.


What effect does psychic energy it have on atoms (i.e heat makes them move faster, electricity gives them charge, etc)? If it is physical energy then it must have some type of physical effect.


You're asking the wrong person about psychic energy, I'm no expert. Even experts can't classify what kind of energy or what physical effects psychic energy can do.

Why are we debating about this?
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Well i never have seen one, but i do believe in them.
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As of now, we can't even classify psychic energy, then how can you detect it?


If you can't classify it or detect it in any way, how do you know it exists?



I'll say this again, ghosts are psychic connections because of an intense feeling on an object, person or place. Not everyone who dies have this kind of attachment. Some die in peace without regrets, some die violently and forced their feelings on the place where they died or buried and other situations. Not every object has a psychic attachment to the dead not even every inch of this earth, it's only on those which mattered to the person who died.

There's still tons of people who have died violently, so there should still be tons of psychic energy in a lot of places, and it should be causing some type of effect on physical objects.



Again about static electricity, did you knew that the biggest display of static electricity is lightning? Go figure! We live in an environment surrounded by electrons and electrical charges which means static electricity can be made anywhere. Just rub a balloon to your hair and you can produce static electricity. Didn't they thought you that in physics class? Did I said that ghosts are made up of static electricity?

I haven't formally learned physics yet, so I only know random/common facts. I know that lightning is static electricity, and that's why I said that the atmosphere can't hold electricity at levels in which humans inhabit, which is where ghosts appear, i.e the biosphere. I'm pretty sure that lightning originates much higher in the atmosphere, but I may be wrong about this.




Why are we debating about this?

Because I find it odd and hypocritical that you deny some supernatural phenomena because of their subjectivity and lack of proof (gods), but accept others despite their subjectivity and lack of proof (ghosts).
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This may be contradiction to my belief, since I am a believer in God and many people have the usual mindset of 'GOD IS JUST LIKE ANGELS AND DEMONS AND GHOSTS AND ALL THAT STUFF, SO HOW CAN ONE EXIST AND NOT THE OTHERS'

At the moment, I would have to say like I always have been, God exists. Angels, Demons, Spirits & Ghosts do not. The reason for my 'assumption' so to speak is because ... Hmm, this post isn't going to go well .. I'm going to contradict myself multiple times. I believe that God is real yet I don't believe these other 'beings' as unreal.

I've read that some people say they've experienced some kind of phenomena etc. I'd like some kind of a source or something. I don't really see how it's logically possible for any of these phenomena to exist, but I think of people simply have hallucinations or making them self believe that these phenomena exist, in a hope or rather for them it's a false sense of security and it's something to the people that experience such phenomena, maybe think to them self it gives them some kind of purpose.

All, in all. I don't believe that Spirits/Ghosts, Angels/Demons exist. Or at least not on Earth, and surely no one has actually ever seen any or even come to the slightest experience with one.

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I do believe in ghosts for no special reason..... or probly i just wished they were real
I also truly believe in aliens, this universe is to big for us to be the only ones...
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Cuddlebuns wrote:


Kill099 wrote:

Why are we debating about this?


Because I find it odd and hypocritical that you deny some supernatural phenomena because of their subjectivity and lack of proof (gods), but accept others despite their subjectivity and lack of proof (ghosts).


If so, then why do you give a damn?
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Kill099 wrote:


Cuddlebuns wrote:


Kill099 wrote:

Why are we debating about this?


Because I find it odd and hypocritical that you deny some supernatural phenomena because of their subjectivity and lack of proof (gods), but accept others despite their subjectivity and lack of proof (ghosts).


If so, then why do you give a damn?


Because it is a belief that I have never encountered before, and I want to understand it. But if you don't want to explain then that's fine.
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yes...... they exist
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I don't know about angels... but i believe in ghost!!!!
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To me, I feel like they exist...
At least I would like them to exist, it just makes the world even more interesting.
Never see anyone of them with absolute certainty, but one time I was a sleep and I dreamed a ghost/spirit tried to get in my body >.<". When I woke up my whole body was numb ._. and I couldn't move until a minute later.
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Cuddlebuns wrote:


Kill099 wrote:


Cuddlebuns wrote:


Kill099 wrote:

Why are we debating about this?


Because I find it odd and hypocritical that you deny some supernatural phenomena because of their subjectivity and lack of proof (gods), but accept others despite their subjectivity and lack of proof (ghosts).


If so, then why do you give a damn?


Because it is a belief that I have never encountered before, and I want to understand it. But if you don't want to explain then that's fine.


Ghost are imprint of a person identity/mind recorded at the time of there death do to a abnormally high magnetic field in the proximity. So I herd. I rather call them A phantom anomaly. Human mind is like a computer the magnetic field creates a phantom or imprint.

In the end NO I do not believe in ghost or anything else without sufficient evidence,there might be more evidence for ghost than God or angles but still not enough to get me believing in them.. 'Maby in time we find more than I will reevaluate the evidence and find my self believing in them.
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