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YOUR RESPONSE: Olympics Women's Gymnastics - China Too Under-aged?
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Yeah but even proof won't work, the proplem is they think china faked those id's.Which is something most americans want to believe very much.

The number of critics are just unbelievable.I don't think anyone will know the truth apart from china.


some people are trying to make this look like some epic Democracy vs Communism battle instead of a quadrennial event to promote unity and sportsmanship that is.



Every negative shit you see right now are started by cnn and fox news.First they lose the game than they try to find a weakness of china and broadcast to the whole world trying to make them look bad because some just can't accept the defeat.I'm not sure of the facts about those girls age it's very easy to make fake id's especially since they are in china.It could be true to some extend.China are aiming to be on the top afterall so of course they would try to use some advantage.But other than that they have shown they have the skills and performance to be at top.China are winning a lot of gold medal from weight lifting they can't argue with that.

Yeah and american are so meddling in the affairs of geogia and russia almost as if they were trying to provoke a world war 3.Everything is just listening to the side of cnn and fox news,right now american are threaten by China and russia.
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Every negative shit you see right now are started by cnn and fox news.First they lose the game than they try to find a weakness of china and broadcast to the whole world trying to make them look bad because some just can't accept the defeat.I'm not sure of the facts about those girls age it's very easy to make fake id's especially since they are in china.It could be true to some extend.China are aiming to be on the top afterall so of course they would try to use some advantage.But other than that they have shown they have the skills and performance to be at top.China are winning a lot of gold medal from weight lifting they can't argue with that.

Yeah and american are so meddling in the affairs of geogia and russia almost as if they were trying to provoke a world war 3.Everything is just listening to the side of cnn and fox news,right now american are threaten by China and russia.


also, they conveniently forget to mention that Georgia started the hostile behavior against Russia. After all Russia is a baaaad, evil country
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Nobody but the ones trying to deflect are saying its a battle between Democracy and Communism. This is a battle against rampant corruption in China and the Olympic committee in general.

Ignorance has also made this debate thrive further. Most people don't even know the minimum age required is to be 16 in 2008 as I pointed out that ignorance in a previous post.

It is not about who is better at gymnastics or not. This is a moral battle and China if proven would be dishonoring themselves as host of the Olympics.


there's no proof that they have under 16 gymnasts. Until they get proof, this is a non-issue.


That may be true that they have no proof right now. The only thing that is emphasized is that nobody believes China. People are going to voice their discontent and suspicions. You can't stop that.

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BLAH BLAH BLAH

Yes they deserved it

BUT if it was Team USA that had girls who looked 12 years old, everyone wouldn't be defending them like how most of the people are in this thread.
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That may be true that they have no proof right now. The only thing that is emphasized is that nobody believes China. People are going to voice their discontent and suspicions. You can't stop that.


sure, people love voicing their discontent and suspicions. it doesn't necessarily make them right or wrong. A few big shots ''voiced discontent and suspicions'' over Saddam Hussein's multitude of WMD's in Iraq. Just because you have a hunch, doesn't mean you're 100% right, no matter how evil the other person is.
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wonone wrote:

Every negative shit you see right now are started by cnn and fox news.First they lose the game than they try to find a weakness of china and broadcast to the whole world trying to make them look bad because some just can't accept the defeat.I'm not sure of the facts about those girls age it's very easy to make fake id's especially since they are in china.It could be true to some extend.China are aiming to be on the top afterall so of course they would try to use some advantage.But other than that they have shown they have the skills and performance to be at top.China are winning a lot of gold medal from weight lifting they can't argue with that.

Yeah and american are so meddling in the affairs of geogia and russia almost as if they were trying to provoke a world war 3.Everything is just listening to the side of cnn and fox news,right now american are threaten by China and russia.


also, they conveniently forget to mention that Georgia started the hostile behavior against Russia. After all Russia is a baaaad, evil country


Georgia was attacking a breakaway state that allegedly attacked them. Russia then intervened. Russia started the conflict between them. How is this Georgia's fault when other people intervene in their internal matters.
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also, they conveniently forget to mention that Georgia started the hostile behavior against Russia. After all Russia is a baaaad, evil country


Georgia was attacking a breakaway state that allegedly attacked them. Russia then intervened. Russia started the conflict between them. How is this Georgia's fault when other people intervene in their internal matters.


Georgia attacked a state(South Ossetia) which was effectively under Russian administration. That's not an internal matter.
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YonNobul wrote:
That may be true that they have no proof right now. The only thing that is emphasized is that nobody believes China. People are going to voice their discontent and suspicions. You can't stop that.


sure, people love voicing their discontent and suspicions. it doesn't necessarily make them right or wrong. A few big shots ''voiced discontent and suspicions'' over Saddam Hussein's multitude of WMD's in Iraq. Just because you have a hunch, doesn't mean you're 100% right, no matter how evil the other person is.


I never mentioned anything about them being right or wrong. People are just going to talk. Nobody is going to start a war or even reverse decisions over this. I am just saying to not deflect this on politics. People are just voicing suspicions and it is not wrong of them to do so. All the reasons people use to try and squash these discussions are politically motivated or just people calling people names such as sore loser.
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Posted 8/14/08 , edited 8/14/08

h4x0rz wrote:


wonone wrote:


h4x0rz wrote:
Every negative shit you see right now are started by cnn and fox news.First they lose the game than they try to find a weakness of china and broadcast to the whole world trying to make them look bad because some just can't accept the defeat.I'm not sure of the facts about those girls age it's very easy to make fake id's especially since they are in china.It could be true to some extend.China are aiming to be on the top afterall so of course they would try to use some advantage.But other than that they have shown they have the skills and performance to be at top.China are winning a lot of gold medal from weight lifting they can't argue with that.

Yeah and american are so meddling in the affairs of geogia and russia almost as if they were trying to provoke a world war 3.Everything is just listening to the side of cnn and fox news,right now american are threaten by China and russia.


also, they conveniently forget to mention that Georgia started the hostile behavior against Russia. After all Russia is a baaaad, evil country


That's what I mean.Most people right now are pointing the fingers to russia without even knowing who attacked first.Georgia attack first and russia try to defend it's people,it's only natural.But most people right now are calling them the evil,muderous,nazi nation.I really hate how most americans are being manipulated and being persuaded so easily with lies.The only interest for them is to gain oil from georgia.
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h4x0rz wrote:
also, they conveniently forget to mention that Georgia started the hostile behavior against Russia. After all Russia is a baaaad, evil country


Georgia was attacking a breakaway state that allegedly attacked them. Russia then intervened. Russia started the conflict between them. How is this Georgia's fault when other people intervene in their internal matters.


Georgia attacked a state(South Ossetia) which was effectively under Russian administration. That's not an internal matter.


South Ossetia is internationally recognized as part of Georgia and Russia has no claim on it. This is an internal matter. You must be mistaken with North Ossetia.
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they've been at war for 15 years with Russia now, and if I remember right, Georgia broke the ceasefire.
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they've been at war for 15 years with Russia now, and if I remember right, Georgia broke the ceasefire.


I am sorry, but I believe the Sout Ossetia broke the ceasefire with their shelling of Georgian villages. Russia should never have even been part of this fight. This war was not theirs to fight. It is an internal matter. Russia is asserting dominance over an area not in their sovereignty.
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honestly, i love the chinese womens gymnastics team but when i see them sometimes that question naggs me and i do believe they are underaged. however i don't think its fair really to put an age limit to gymnastics, i understand some concerns that might come with younger girls i just don't agree with it. SOOO YEA LOL i think some are underaged but i still cheer for them!!!!!!!!!
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This isn't a question if why there should be age limits or not,the Olympics law say that you have to turn 16 in the Olympic year to participate,using under age girls means breaking internal olympic laws and it's cheating,doesn't matter how you see it.It's also unfair to the other teams.
Having this settled,to me this article is written in a very biased and bitter way under the shock of losing and it's not like they'll lose the medals anyway,since there's no proof to back up this article and I don't think it will ever be proven.
I also don't think this should be used as a disclaimer for USA's second place either since USA lost because of their own faults,unfortunately Sacramone's mistakes dragged the team down.
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