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Posted 8/15/08
I think this article about Freakazoid sums it up pretty well: http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=25476

Gintama suffers from the same problem Freakazoid had. Ultimately, Japanese fans aside, it's too niche to have a universal appeal. :/
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I wouldn't say it's 'unpopular', I'd just say a lot of people aren't really aware of it, or the people that are, regard it in the same veins as Bleach and Naruto. Childish, and downright terrible. Although, more people are starting to watch it now. On a certain image board, when someone ends up posting caps of various scenes, there are usually people asking what it is. I think it's just gathering interest at the moment, for example, I'm seeing more and more people on the internet mentioning it every week, and I'll give it perhaps until the end of the year/early next year until it becomes pretty popular. People should keep recommending it to their anime-watching friends, and they can tell their friends, until a good percent watches it, and it would generate more of a buzz. Then, that would raise hopes of it being licensed. If people just dropped the 'general sj' tag from it, and actually gave it a chance, I'm sure they'd like it.
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This anime really does remind me of an American style adult cartoon (I really find it similar to family guy here). The show only has short story arcs for multiple episodes. Otherwise, the show isn't connected to the last one cohesively (just like american cartoons). Also, random references to Japanese culture (pop and other) are part of the jokes. An outsider won't necessarily get them and that explains why not as many people have heard of it.
Really, I like this style because there are no filler episodes; you can almost say they are all filler episodes with a few story. The episodes tend to have a moral that leave the viewer with a good feeling. However, I find the use of end episode irony to be masterful. I wish my friends would listen to me and watch this show. They must be too busy watching Naruto.
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gintama is popular here in philippines , most of the anime shops i went ,gintama were out of stock most of the times
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Gintama is just not the knd of anime that will make the viewer interested in the first sight. Maybe people just need to stop judging an anime from the first episode
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While I love Gintama and would like to see it become more popular, I do not want to see it licensed.
And if it being a relatively unknown anime is what it takes to save it, then so be it.

Frankly, it would not be the same if it were dubbed in english. English voice actors do not carry the same level of emotion, whether it be a positive or negative emotion, in their voices. Notice how they always seem to fall into the category of "super-bubbly sugar-high hysterical girl" or "dead apathetic monotone guy" ?

Am I the only one who is fine with Naruto's "dattebayo" but gets the urge to bang my head on the wall repeatedly when I hear him say "Believe It!" ?

Not to mention, they would probably give Kagura a weird accent, because she is technically a "china-girl."
Kind of like how they gave Ichimaru Gin from Bleach a southern American accent to correspond to his Okinawan accent. (!)

I mean, I know Okinawans are supposed to be the country people of Japan, but seriously, hearing him with a Texan accent just seems Wrong.

In the English translation of the manga, they attached "uh-huh" to the end of nearly all of Kagura's sentences. To me, this didn't make her seem foreign -- just brain damaged.
Basically, they just ruined a good character right there.

So, if being unpopular internationally is what saves Gintama from English dubbing horror, then I hope it stays that way.
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s1l3n70n3 wrote:

This anime really does remind me of an American style adult cartoon (I really find it similar to family guy here). The show only has short story arcs for multiple episodes. Otherwise, the show isn't connected to the last one cohesively (just like american cartoons). Also, random references to Japanese culture (pop and other) are part of the jokes. An outsider won't necessarily get them and that explains why not as many people have heard of it.
Really, I like this style because there are no filler episodes; you can almost say they are all filler episodes with a few story. The episodes tend to have a moral that leave the viewer with a good feeling. However, I find the use of end episode irony to be masterful. I wish my friends would listen to me and watch this show. They must be too busy watching Naruto.


I tend to see the plot as the side trip and the episodic stuff as the actual series. XD

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While I love Gintama and would like to see it become more popular, I do not want to see it licensed.
And if it being a relatively unknown anime is what it takes to save it, then so be it.

Frankly, it would not be the same if it were dubbed in english. English voice actors do not carry the same level of emotion, whether it be a positive or negative emotion, in their voices. Notice how they always seem to fall into the category of "super-bubbly sugar-high hysterical girl" or "dead apathetic monotone guy" ?

Am I the only one who is fine with Naruto's "dattebayo" but gets the urge to bang my head on the wall repeatedly when I hear him say "Believe It!" ?

Not to mention, they would probably give Kagura a weird accent, because she is technically a "china-girl."
Kind of like how they gave Ichimaru Gin from Bleach a southern American accent to correspond to his Okinawan accent. (!)

I mean, I know Okinawans are supposed to be the country people of Japan, but seriously, hearing him with a Texan accent just seems Wrong.

In the English translation of the manga, they attached "uh-huh" to the end of nearly all of Kagura's sentences. To me, this didn't make her seem foreign -- just brain damaged.
Basically, they just ruined a good character right there.

So, if being unpopular internationally is what saves Gintama from English dubbing horror, then I hope it stays that way.


Trigun, Cowboy Bebop, Fullmetal Alchemist - I actualy prefer the English versions of these series. The Japanese cast was exellent, but the English cast was AWESOME.

And... Kagura DOES have a weird accent-aru.

I can't figure out the hostility of the show being licensed - yeah, it'll be tough to translate and find VA's who can at LEAST get in the ballpark, but really it's all about being able to buy the DVD's for $20 a disk as opposed to $40 and maybe some other fun merchandise (JUSTAWAY WINDCHIME FTW!). And, even if the dub sucks, there's always this fun thing called the "Japanese audio track" and "subtitles" that 99.9% of all anime DVD's have nowadays.
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Sorry. I just tend to be a purist when it comes to anime...
I've seen WAY too many anime destroyed by English voice actors who think they are capturing the spirit of the characters when they really aren't.

Case in point: I was looking for an episode of Blood+ in Japanese and couldn't find it. There were plenty of English dub versions available, but I couldn't get past the first few seconds. It was too horrible. So I just delayed getting along with the story until I located a japanese version (w/c I did ^_^). I mean, what is up with Saya's english voice? It sounds so fake trying-to-be-strong.

The only show I was okay with in English is Gundam Wing. Then again, I didn't have the fortune to watch it in Japanese first, so I couldn't compare.

The show being licensed means we can't watch it for free. At least not easily. We'd have to buy the DVD.
Not a problem for people that are $$$ comfortable, but a sad inconvenience for those who can't dish out the cash for such luxuries.

Rent, gasoline, and food first!
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I say its to extreme in japanese cultural references and parodies of older manga and anime series that many american people don't know about. Anime and manga didn't became so popular in America until recently, and they are ridiculesly censored. I'm mexican and I grow up with cartoons like Knights of the Zodiac, Mazinger Z, candy candy, princess of 1000 years, Zenki, kimba the white lion and so many others that I have barely seen in english. Without the censor either.

Also, take into consideration which shows showcase anime as mainstream . Pokemon, Yugioh, Dragon ball (lets face it, the american version does suck). It's what gave anime the label of --if its anime it must be for kids--. I get so much grief from my co-workers for watching anime or playing video games which in their opinion are for kids. And the good anime starts so late at night.

Gintama is, dare I say; too sophisticated for certain sensibilities? Or in other words too Japanese? I started Gintama with the manga after seeing a review in a magazine which gave it a "C". I was hooked from the very first volume, and while Viz didn't start
so good, they have actually improve a lot (what they did with the trowing rice joke was pretty clever).

My advice, start with the manga, the first episodes will make more sense. Tell your friends about it, buy the manga (please), start them from a really funny episode and lets see what happens.

P.S

I really don't think that it should get licenses.
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I started Gintama with the manga after seeing a review in a magazine which gave it a "C". I was hooked from the very first volume, and while Viz didn't start
so good, they have actually improve a lot (what they did with the trowing rice joke was pretty clever).

My advice, start with the manga, the first episodes will make more sense. Tell your friends about it, buy the manga (please), start them from a really funny episode and lets see what happens.



I found Gintama through a scanlated manga too. I really enjoyed it and was very excited to see that there was an anime version too.

I have to agree with you on the point that American treatment of anime has made it considered to be a child's form of entertainment.

Like some of my family and friends call anime "cartoons". TT_TT
When I think of cartoons, I think of stuff like Bugs Bunny and Pizza Cats. Not Gintama.
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*another poll by me. plz excuse my utter boredom*

so. the title says all. why do you think Gintama is not so well known than the other shounen anime i will not mention?

as far as i know for certain, Gintama is published in Shounen JUMP along with the other BIG shounen names, and i can say most of my Japanese online friend knew the series, if not loving it. but i get the "What's Gintama?" reply when i listed out my favorite anime to someone in real life a.k.a another local anime fan. i mean, what can be the difference that made Gintama so unknown outside Japan.

IMO, it's too extreme. we're talking about butt jokes, poop jokes, S+M reference, foul language, blood scenes.. not to mention the massive Japanese cultural reference.

well, that's my say. what about you guys?

on the side note, what can we do to make this anime shared the same glory as other shounen titles? recommendations left and right?


Well...It was over-shadowed by series like Bleach,Naruto,One piece,Reborn! and D.Gray-man

It is actually popular in Japan,sometimes,the ranking in JUMP! even beats Bleach,Reborn! & D.Gray-man.

Another thing is,It's anime is not in America.See how popular Pokemon became when it goes to America?Goes the same for DGM,it's already popular,but becames even more popular when it reaches America.I'm not saying all anime are like that,but there's quite a number of cases like that.

People must also have that type of sense to enjoy the jokes.Some people can't get it what Gintama is trying to convey.The manga have more dialouges than others,which some readers would shun it.

It's sad,Gintama has been my favourite ever since I set eyes on it.

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I say its to extreme in japanese cultural references and parodies of older manga and anime series that many american people don't know about. Anime and manga didn't became so popular in America until recently, and they are ridiculesly censored. I'm mexican and I grow up with cartoons like Knights of the Zodiac, Mazinger Z, candy candy, princess of 1000 years, Zenki, kimba the white lion and so many others that I have barely seen in english. Without the censor either.

Also, take into consideration which shows showcase anime as mainstream . Pokemon, Yugioh, Dragon ball (lets face it, the american version does suck). It's what gave anime the label of --if its anime it must be for kids--. I get so much grief from my co-workers for watching anime or playing video games which in their opinion are for kids. And the good anime starts so late at night.

Gintama is, dare I say; too sophisticated for certain sensibilities? Or in other words too Japanese? I started Gintama with the manga after seeing a review in a magazine which gave it a "C". I was hooked from the very first volume, and while Viz didn't start
so good, they have actually improve a lot (what they did with the trowing rice joke was pretty clever).

My advice, start with the manga, the first episodes will make more sense. Tell your friends about it, buy the manga (please), start them from a really funny episode and lets see what happens.

P.S

I really don't think that it should get licenses.


I would complaint even more about the Chinese dubbed version.It's even more HORRIBLE.There's even translation error,like Mayonnaise becoming TOFU.

And which magazine gave it a C?The reviewer,please,commit seppuku! But it's sad,I read reviews given by Americans,all says like "Yeah,it's about Aliens,so why only Prince Baka is appearing?This made no sense.Who wants to see the Shinsegumi?" or "It's just plain boring,not enough action as Bleach." Blah,blah. (To me,Bleach is getting old.}

And I agree with you,the manga's better. :]]
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lol....i loved Gintama from the first episode so i was irritated that there were missing subs but it's probably overshadowed by ...ewww....vampire knight since all the bitchy fangirls there say there's so called humour.....which i don't find funny at all....but yes, there are other major series which are watched alot more.......
I laugh in every episode of Gintama but yes, although i love it, i would prefer that it not be as popular otherwise it would also risk being licensed (KHR, already *sigh* such a pain)
And indeed i prefer the manga (i prefer to read, that's just me though ) but reading it on onemanga is pain since they never update it so i have to go to other sites to download.......irritating

Can anyone tell me if there's a site where i can read it online instead of downloading it....?
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lol....i loved Gintama from the first episode so i was irritated that there were missing subs but it's probably overshadowed by ...ewww....vampire knight since all the bitchy fangirls there say there's so called humour.....which i don't find funny at all....but yes, there are other major series which are watched alot more.......
I laugh in every episode of Gintama but yes, although i love it, i would prefer that it not be as popular otherwise it would also risk being licensed (KHR, already *sigh* such a pain)
And indeed i prefer the manga (i prefer to read, that's just me though ) but reading it on onemanga is pain since they never update it so i have to go to other sites to download.......irritating

Can anyone tell me if there's a site where i can read it online instead of downloading it....?


try mangafox.com
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