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Posted 8/21/08

Eririel wrote:

Don't worry about it. I don't specialize in medieval history.


LOL same here too I am more interested in modern military history
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... until one of their kings finally reformed them (though i don't know which)


I thought they were crushed when they revolted and reduced to being a military orchestra band.

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OTAKUADDICT wrote:


Eririel wrote:


OTAKUADDICT wrote:


Eririel wrote:

I would consider the Timurids to have been the true spiritual successors of the Mongols as opposed to the Tartat Mongols.


Timurids even defeated the Ottomans at the Battle of Ankara and Timur took Bayezid I as hostage!


They didn't use that victory very well though. The Ottomans never fully recovered from that loss but they still managed to carve up a good empire afterward.


What I like about the Ottomans is that their military uses rifles(I dunno when the true rifle was first invented) and also their military organizations such as the Janissaries during the 14th or 15th century.


yes the ottomans had a very successful military as well. they totally crushed the byzantines, who were formerly the top dogs in terms of military power in the mediterranean, and their widespread use of guns made sieges easier, as well as having infantry equipped with handguns, made quite an intimidating force. besides the byzantines, they destroyed many european armies that attempted to invade egypt or the holy land or north africa, and defeated the arabs, berbers and moors, breaking apart their caliphate and claiming most of its previous territory as their own.

the janissaries, although a powerful fighting force, eventually became extremely corrupt (reminds me of the Praetorian guard actually) until one of their kings finally reformed them (though i don't know which)


the Janissaries are somehow similar to the Komnenian army of Byzantine empire which was also reformed
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Posted 8/21/08 , edited 8/21/08

Eririel wrote:


MEMPHADON wrote:
... until one of their kings finally reformed them (though i don't know which)


I thought they were crushed when they revolted and reduced to being a military orchestra band.



they were actually disbanded by Mahmud II in 1826 after the revolt which is true.
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I prefer Alexander the Great's army formation.. Especially when he led a small army compared to others.. Too bad that he died becoz of drug overdose..
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Before 1500 A.D, it certainly would be the Mongols of Genghis Khan. They won nearly every single major battles, despite being outnumbered. They conquered the largest land empire in history. The mongols was indeed the most powerful army in pre-gunpowder age.




umm..... your wrong

Genghis Khan had a huge army about 100000-1000000 soldiers.. And they did not win every major battle they had. The Mameluks in Egypt had successfully repelled Genghis Khan's army and the Mongol Empire is not the largest empire in history but it is the largest contiguous empire in history. The British Empire is the largest empire in history.
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Alexander the Great
Hannibal
Genghis Khan
Asoka
Cyrus the Great
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Jachina wrote:

Before 1500 A.D, it certainly would be the Mongols of Genghis Khan. They won nearly every single major battles, despite being outnumbered. They conquered the largest land empire in history. The mongols was indeed the most powerful army in pre-gunpowder age.




umm..... your wrong

Genghis Khan had a huge army about 100000-1000000 soldiers.. And they did not win every major battle they had. The Mameluks in Egypt had successfully repelled Genghis Khan's army and the Mongol Empire is not the largest empire in history but it is the largest contiguous empire in history. The British Empire is the largest empire in history.
You're the one who is wrong, reread my post!


Before 1500 A.D, it certainly would be the Mongols of Genghis Khan. They won nearly every single major battles, despite being outnumbered. They conquered the largest land empire in history. The Mongols was indeed the most powerful army in pre-gunpowder age.


I never say the Mongols won every single battles, I say nearly!

Also, 1000000! is that a zero at the end? Genghis khan himself never commanded an army more than 200,000 men, even then only about 3/5 was Mongols, and the rest was from vassals states.

The only reason the Mameluks won the battle of Battle of Ain Jalut because they outnumbered the Mongols almost 5-1, why? because Hülegü took the majority of the Mongol army back to Mongolia. Then midway, he decided, " fuck this! I'm going back to my domain.! "


Also, if you are interested, go check out Genghis Khan: Life, Death, and Resurrection by John Man, very good book, it gives you details of life in Mongolia, as well as insight into the rise and fall of the Mongol Empire.
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Jachina wrote:


kinGpaladin-ananga wrote:


Jachina wrote:

Before 1500 A.D, it certainly would be the Mongols of Genghis Khan. They won nearly every single major battles, despite being outnumbered. They conquered the largest land empire in history. The mongols was indeed the most powerful army in pre-gunpowder age.




umm..... your wrong

Genghis Khan had a huge army about 100000-1000000 soldiers.. And they did not win every major battle they had. The Mameluks in Egypt had successfully repelled Genghis Khan's army and the Mongol Empire is not the largest empire in history but it is the largest contiguous empire in history. The British Empire is the largest empire in history.
You're the one who is wrong, reread my post!


Before 1500 A.D, it certainly would be the Mongols of Genghis Khan. They won nearly every single major battles, despite being outnumbered. They conquered the largest land empire in history. The Mongols was indeed the most powerful army in pre-gunpowder age.


I never say the Mongols won every single battles, I say nearly!

Also, 1000000! is that a zero at the end? Genghis khan himself never commanded an army more than 200,000 men, even then only about 3/5 was Mongols, and the rest was from vassals states.

The only reason the Mameluks won the battle of Battle of Ain Jalut because they outnumbered the Mongols almost 5-1, why? because Hülegü took the majority of the Mongol army back to Mongolia. Then midway, he decided, " fuck this! I'm going back to my domain.! "


Also, if you are interested, go check out Genghis Khan: Life, Death, and Resurrection by John Man, very good book, it gives you details of life in Mongolia, as well as insight into the rise and fall of the Mongol Empire.


Hey cool thanks
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Posted 12/25/08

kinGpaladin-ananga wrote:


Jachina wrote:


kinGpaladin-ananga wrote:


Jachina wrote:

Before 1500 A.D, it certainly would be the Mongols of Genghis Khan. They won nearly every single major battles, despite being outnumbered. They conquered the largest land empire in history. The mongols was indeed the most powerful army in pre-gunpowder age.




umm..... your wrong

Genghis Khan had a huge army about 100000-1000000 soldiers.. And they did not win every major battle they had. The Mameluks in Egypt had successfully repelled Genghis Khan's army and the Mongol Empire is not the largest empire in history but it is the largest contiguous empire in history. The British Empire is the largest empire in history.
You're the one who is wrong, reread my post!


Before 1500 A.D, it certainly would be the Mongols of Genghis Khan. They won nearly every single major battles, despite being outnumbered. They conquered the largest land empire in history. The Mongols was indeed the most powerful army in pre-gunpowder age.


I never say the Mongols won every single battles, I say nearly!

Also, 1000000! is that a zero at the end? Genghis khan himself never commanded an army more than 200,000 men, even then only about 3/5 was Mongols, and the rest was from vassals states.

The only reason the Mameluks won the battle of Battle of Ain Jalut because they outnumbered the Mongols almost 5-1, why? because Hülegü took the majority of the Mongol army back to Mongolia. Then midway, he decided, " fuck this! I'm going back to my domain.! "


Also, if you are interested, go check out Genghis Khan: Life, Death, and Resurrection by John Man, very good book, it gives you details of life in Mongolia, as well as insight into the rise and fall of the Mongol Empire.


Hey cool thanks


oh sorry b4 d 1500 yeah well i'm including every empire in history
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kinGpaladin-ananga wrote:


Jachina wrote:


kinGpaladin-ananga wrote:


Jachina wrote:

Before 1500 A.D, it certainly would be the Mongols of Genghis Khan. They won nearly every single major battles, despite being outnumbered. They conquered the largest land empire in history. The mongols was indeed the most powerful army in pre-gunpowder age.




umm..... your wrong

Genghis Khan had a huge army about 100000-1000000 soldiers.. And they did not win every major battle they had. The Mameluks in Egypt had successfully repelled Genghis Khan's army and the Mongol Empire is not the largest empire in history but it is the largest contiguous empire in history. The British Empire is the largest empire in history.
You're the one who is wrong, reread my post!


Before 1500 A.D, it certainly would be the Mongols of Genghis Khan. They won nearly every single major battles, despite being outnumbered. They conquered the largest land empire in history. The Mongols was indeed the most powerful army in pre-gunpowder age.


I never say the Mongols won every single battles, I say nearly!

Also, 1000000! is that a zero at the end? Genghis khan himself never commanded an army more than 200,000 men, even then only about 3/5 was Mongols, and the rest was from vassals states.

The only reason the Mameluks won the battle of Battle of Ain Jalut because they outnumbered the Mongols almost 5-1, why? because Hülegü took the majority of the Mongol army back to Mongolia. Then midway, he decided, " fuck this! I'm going back to my domain.! "


Also, if you are interested, go check out Genghis Khan: Life, Death, and Resurrection by John Man, very good book, it gives you details of life in Mongolia, as well as insight into the rise and fall of the Mongol Empire.


Hey cool thanks
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Posted 12/25/08
obviously greeks or the romans

Alexander the great controlled most of the world and Caesar modeled after him
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Romans
Greek hoplite formations
Alexander the Great
Mongols (initial run through Asia and Europe)
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ROMANCE and MONGOLIANS
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romans and alexander cuz romans ruled the Mediterranean world and alexander is just skilled at war tactics
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