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Posted 8/21/08

Kumo-Chan wrote:


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loltan wrote:


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.....u shouldnt even be putting up topics of defending him in this group that hates suzaku. its goes against the groups name!!! BOOOOOO SUZAKU SUCKS LIKE HELL!! (fyi!!! lelouch didnt mean to use geass on euphie, it just happened to run out of control! >.<) and i'd say refrain is just as bad as geass since u'll be stuck in the ugly past for how long? COUGH PRACTICALLY FOREVER!!! also the after-affects are just as bad. take a look at karen's mom!!


Thank you for not actually reading my posts.

I explained how everything's still Lelouch's fault even though he didn't mean to use Geass on Euphemia.


....okaaaaaaaaay there. but its actually not rly lelouchs fault, more like its geass' fault T_T;;


Isn't it Lelouch's fault for using Geass more than he has to?


maybe so but its not like he WISHED for that to happen y'know?


True, but that doesn't mean he isn't responsible.
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wow, a lelouch hater. how about creating your own group? i read all your post and from where i stand you are too biased.
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ya!! zomg its like he doesnt feel anything for lelouch but hate!! yaaaaah!!! go kenneth >D
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Posted 8/23/08

loltan wrote:


Kumo-Chan wrote:

.....u shouldnt even be putting up topics of defending him in this group that hates suzaku. its goes against the groups name!!! BOOOOOO SUZAKU SUCKS LIKE HELL!! (fyi!!! lelouch didnt mean to use geass on euphie, it just happened to run out of control! >.<) and i'd say refrain is just as bad as geass since u'll be stuck in the ugly past for how long? COUGH PRACTICALLY FOREVER!!! also the after-affects are just as bad. take a look at karen's mom!!


Thank you for not actually reading my posts.

I explained how everything's still Lelouch's fault even though he didn't mean to use Geass on Euphemia.



i read it all and it gave me a head ace XD
lelouch and suzaku are both at fault i guess XD
your good at debating toooo XD
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Posted 8/23/08 , edited 8/23/08

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wow, a lelouch hater. how about creating your own group? i read all your post and from where i stand you are too biased.


Explain how my argument is all that biased. Then look at yourself for a bit and see if you're the one who is overbiased. I understand that the first half of my argument is all about how Lelouch deserves to get his head stepped on, but all I have done is listed facts. The only bias in there would be the actual statemet "Lelouch deserves to get his head stepped on" everything else is all nonbiased fact and deduction. The rest of my responsese just show that Lelouch is doing things for his own sake and that he denies responsibility. Those things aren't biased words, they don't express a favorable or unfavorable viewpoint.
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Posted 8/24/08

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wow, a lelouch hater. how about creating your own group? i read all your post and from where i stand you are too biased.


And from where I stand his argument owns your thinking in every way. Until you can write an essay post on how he is biased you sir, "phail"

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Kumo-Chan wrote:

.....u shouldnt even be putting up topics of defending him in this group that hates suzaku. its goes against the groups name!!! BOOOOOO SUZAKU SUCKS LIKE HELL!! (fyi!!! lelouch didnt mean to use geass on euphie, it just happened to run out of control! >.<) and i'd say refrain is just as bad as geass since u'll be stuck in the ugly past for how long? COUGH PRACTICALLY FOREVER!!! also the after-affects are just as bad. take a look at karen's mom!!


It's called Grammar. Get some.
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Posted 8/25/08 , edited 8/26/08

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kennethjardin wrote:

wow, a lelouch hater. how about creating your own group? i read all your post and from where i stand you are too biased.


And from where I stand his argument owns your thinking in every way. Until you can write an essay post on how he is biased you sir, "phail"



Why his arguments are biased?

Two reasons why his arguments fail.

Overgeneralization: It is incorrect to arrive at a general conclusion based on a single incident or piece of evidence. This is a common example of the more general fallacy of basing a conclusion on unrepresentative evidence. Consider a broad range of representative evidence before drawing a conclusion. Consider systematic evidence, and dismiss anecdotal evidence.



Assumptions, Opinions, Rumors become fact:
It is easy for assumptions, opinion, or rumors to be accepted as fact. This can happen if these ideas or stories seem reasonable on the surface, or they support your views or interests, if they advance some hoped for outcome, or they are expressed by someone in authority or someone you trust, if the stories are fun to tell, or if others you know also share these beliefs. The incorrect assumption, opinion, and rumor that the earth is the center of the universe went unchallenged by millions of people for perhaps thousands of years.
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Allow me to defend myself:


kennethjardin wrote:
Overgeneralization: It is incorrect to arrive at a general conclusion based on a single incident or piece of evidence. This is a common example of the more general fallacy of basing a conclusion on unrepresentative evidence. Consider a broad range of representative evidence before drawing a conclusion. Consider systematic evidence, and dismiss anecdotal evidence.


Everything you say is entirely true. Now tell me how I did all of those incorrect things, where I did all those incorrect things, and just how are those parts of my argument not following the guidlines that you;ve just set up.

In other words, show me evidence that I failed rather than just saying so. I revised my argument and it seems to follow your rules very well.



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Assumptions, Opinions, Rumors become fact: It is easy for assumptions, opinion, or rumors to be accepted as fact. This can happen if these ideas or stories seem reasonable on the surface, or they support your views or interests, if they advance some hoped for outcome, or they are expressed by someone in authority or someone you trust, if the stories are fun to tell, or if others you know also share these beliefs. The incorrect assumption, opinion, and rumor that the earth is the center of the universe went unchallenged by millions of people for perhaps thousands of years. Other rumors and unchallenged assumptions can be even more destructive. When you hear a rumor, take the time to challenge , identify and examine the source, and get independent confirmation of it before passing it on. Don't accept myths, legends, and other speculations and fiction as fact.


What have I assumed?
What myth or fiction have I used other than the fact that what I'm talking about is entirely focused on the fictional story known as Code Geass?
Do my own beliefs stain my argument other than that one phrase that says that Lelouch deserves to get his head stepped on? Or is the fact that I choose to defend Suzaku a terrible bias in itself?

Again, there's nothing wrong with what you've said, the only problem is:

I haven't broken any of those rules.
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Posted 8/25/08

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.....u shouldnt even be putting up topics of defending him in this group that hates suzaku. its goes against the groups name!!! BOOOOOO SUZAKU SUCKS LIKE HELL!! (fyi!!! lelouch didnt mean to use geass on euphie, it just happened to run out of control! >.<) and i'd say refrain is just as bad as geass since u'll be stuck in the ugly past for how long? COUGH PRACTICALLY FOREVER!!! also the after-affects are just as bad. take a look at karen's mom!!


It's called Grammar. Get some.


go die if u support suzaku just leave this group T_T
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Posted 8/25/08 , edited 8/26/08

Kumo-Chan wrote:


Raito_Hikari wrote:


Kumo-Chan wrote:

.....u shouldnt even be putting up topics of defending him in this group that hates suzaku. its goes against the groups name!!! BOOOOOO SUZAKU SUCKS LIKE HELL!! (fyi!!! lelouch didnt mean to use geass on euphie, it just happened to run out of control! >.<) and i'd say refrain is just as bad as geass since u'll be stuck in the ugly past for how long? COUGH PRACTICALLY FOREVER!!! also the after-affects are just as bad. take a look at karen's mom!!


It's called Grammar. Get some.


go die if u support suzaku just leave this group T_T


I don't support Suzaku, I just think this is a good defense for Suzaku. And if your telling someone to go die because he/she supports a fictional character.... Then your pathetic.
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Is it really wrong to support Suzaku? I disliked him in Season 1 because I only knew so little about him. Because Season 2 gives us more insight about Suzaku it allows me to make a more proper conclusion.
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Assumptions, Opinions, Rumors become fact:
you've broken the rule since you are asserting your own opinion on code geass and implying it as a fact like what you did on your arguments. the words myth and fiction was just an example on what you were doing i already edited it and took it out. anyways. no more point arguing.
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kennethjardin wrote:

Assumptions, Opinions, Rumors become fact:
you've broken the rule since you are asserting your own opinion on code geass and implying it as a fact like what you did on your arguments. the words myth and fiction was just an example on what you were doing i already edited it and took it out. anyways. no more point arguing.


Wrong. How have I implied any opinion like a fact? You never said how or where. I looked over my argument again and the only opinion there is still the one about Lelouch. Even with that one opinion standing there, it doesn't completely dominate the argument to the point that it's overbiased and unacceptable.

Seriously, don't point your fingers without a good reason.
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Posted 8/27/08 , edited 8/27/08

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Turn 17: Lelouch's Head > Footrest

To those of you out there believe that Suzaku didn't deserve to step on Lelouch's head like he did in that episode, let me just run down a few reasons why Lelouch does deserve to have his head stepped on. I'll divide this into two categories: What Actually Aappened and What Suzaku "Knows".

What Actually Happened:
1) Lelouch terrorizes innocent people.
2) Lelouch kills innocent people.
3) Lelouch uses the accident of Geass going berserk on Euphemia to his advantage rather than coming out and admitting that it was his fault. (I predict that this may screw him over with the Black Knights somewhere along the line, not too sure though)
4) Lelouch uses Japanese people for his own megalomaniacal desires
5) Lelouch refuses to properly take responsiblity for the innocent lives that he has taken (e.g.: Geassing Shirley's mind to forget about him rather than properly aplogizing to her. Later, Lelouch actually contemplates killing Shirley)
6) Lelouch uses Geass in general to bend people against his will and do whatever the hell he wants at the victim's expense.
7) Lelouch doesn't know what Nunnally wants the most.
8,9,10,etc...) There's more, but I have not memorized every single thing about Code Geass there is to memorize

What Suzaku "Knows":

(Note: Knows is put in quotation marks because what Suzaku "knows" is what he has been told. He's been lied to more times than I have eyebrows. 0_0 Truthfully, I think the conclusions Suzaku comes to using the lies that he has been told are pretty logical ones themselves)

1) Lelouch killed Euphie in order to destroy the Special Administrative Region of Nippon* and formally declare the formation of the United States of Nippon while at the same time destroying almost all possiblities of Britannia making peace with Nippon; and that was after he just Geassed Euphie to massacre the Nipponjin (or Nipponers as I like to call them).
2) Lelouch terrorizes innocent people.
3) Lelouch kills innocent people.
4) Lelouch does not take responsibility for his actions.
5) Lelouch wields Geass so he can prevent himself from having to take responsibility for his actions.
6) Lelouch prefers violence. ISO: Unnecessary violence is bad.
7) Lelouch killed Shirley.
8) Lelouch used the Student Council members and the NKS (or JLF if you prefer) for the debut of the Black Knights in order to gain public support and more members.
9) Lelouch nearly blew up an entire mountain just to try to capture his older half-sister.
10) Lelouch used Suzaku to lie to the Nipponers and Geassed Suzaku to live in for his own survival.
11) Lelouch lied about being "an ally of justice".
12,13,14, etc...) Again, I don't have all of Code Geass memorized, I'm sure there's more.


I'm pretty sure these reasons look like they're enough for Lelouch to get his head stepped on at least once.




Basically all your arguments that are on bold font are clearly your opinions. When you were saying this is what suzaku knows what you are actually doing is assuming it. Besides your not Suzaku anyways. You are just assuming what he knows you dont have any evidence that this is what he knows. And another thing when you mentioned that Lelouch does not know what Nunnaly wants you're wrong he already knows. And also what he is doing in R2 is a different thing. Try watching Episode wherein Lelouch attempts to use refrain. He realized that this rebellion that he is doing is not just for him anymore. Also when you said that Lelouch doesnt properly take responsibility, clearly that statement alone is your opinion and you're trying to imply to everyone that it is a fact. That alone is the reason why i deem your arguments as biased. Now when you mentioned that he uses japanese people for megalomaniac reason is another obvious opinion. Anyways, if you still have anything to say. so be it. im too tired to argue.
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