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you think its insane that people voted for bush again,
or you think you can be proud to bring democracy to iraq?
you think its a scandal that the us dont ratifies the kyoto protocol,
or you think its the way to go right now?
you find the world-police status the us claims ridiculous,
or you are happy to back up your country doing it?

questions like that are often found on the forum,so
why dont give the whole subject a thread?
dont offend people and stay on topic,
this is not about the american people,its about the political direction.
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Well I think it's ridiculous that the US doesn't ratifiy the Kyoto protocol. It can only improve the state of the environment. Although it may be tough to conform to the limits they set, a change is needed. It pisses me off that all these leaders and politicians are forcing this burden onto the new generation to deal with. Starting now can only lead to benefits in the long run.

Personally I find the Iraq situation tolerable. It's true that it was unneccessary to go into Iraq based on assumptions of WMD but there is definitely a need to take action against the government. The humanitarian crisis over there had to be dealt with and this was a viable option. I don't agree with America's reasoning to go in, but it was necessary to remove an oppressive party.

What bothers me more is the lack of support that the media and general masses shows. Everyone seems happy to voice their opinion against our President's decisions. What kind of image are we conveying here. Our opponents can only see a lack of unity and a potential advantage. By revealing all our tactics and discussing the future, the media is just revealing potential problems and weaknesses. Without a sense of nationalism, the US can only be seen as weak and impotent.

Alright I'm probably rambling so I guess I'm done. Anyway these are just the views of an ignorant 16 yr old. Take it for what it's worth.
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I believe that Bush is horribly wrong he may not be a horrible person but he is not very intellegent and is not doing what is needed for our country and for Iraq.
I also think that Hilary Clinton who is running should never see the presidency and that neither should Jed Bush who is going to run if not this next time the time after. And its not that I wouldnt mind having a woman as president its because I dont think she would make a good leader for our nation.
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you think its insane that people voted for bush again,
or you think you can be proud to bring democracy to iraq?


I'm proud of bringing democracy to Iraq. I wouldn't of went to war myself, but its something to be proud of afterwards. And I don't think its insane. Yeah, a lot of people don't like him, but obviously enough do for him to be president. Plus, I don't think anyone on Crunchyroll has a plan to successfully end the war in Iraq now. Given the chance, right now, I don't think anyone of us could do it.

you think its a scandal that the us dont ratifies the kyoto protocol,
or you think its the way to go right now?


I don't think its a scandal, in fact, it makes sense that we DON'T ratify it. Yeah, its bad for global warming and whatever, but honestly, we haven't proved global warming even exists yet. A lot of scientists say it does, a lot say it doesn't. We've proved that as it gets hotter CO2 levels rise, but we haven't proved as CO2 levels rise it gets hotter. Ratifying the Kyoto Protocol has happened before. I forgot in which country, because I don't follow this stuff that much, but I can guarantee one country did sometime ago and it completely destroyed their economy and they had to break it. Until Global Warming is proven without a doubt I see no reason to ratify it with the risk of destroying our economy.

you find the world-police status the us claims ridiculous,
or you are happy to back up your country doing it?


Its not ridiculous. Whether we admit it or not or other countries admit it or not we are the world power. Now, I think that being the world power it is our duty to keep the balance of power throughout the world and stop dictatorship from rising again. Preferably, I'd like to avoid all war, but I'd take a small war over a World War III, in which, most of us would probably die. Now, I don't necessarily agree with all of the U.S.'s moves on being the World Police, but its a fact that we are one.

questions like this are often found on the forum,so
why dont give the whole subject a thread?


I think we do have something like this, but I could be wrong... After all, we don't have a search thread function.

dont offend people and stay on topic,
this is not about the american people,its about the political direction.


I tried not to.

Edit: Oh, and it'll be four years tomorrow (3/20/2003) since the war in Iraq started. Personally, I think it was the wrong choice to go to war, but just like The Great War, once war is set in motion, it is almost impossible to stop. I think that right now, Bush hasn't really made any mistakes. Going to war was a mistake, yes, but I don't believe anyone right now can successfully draw up a plan to end the war.

Edit #2: Fun fact. The first battle of the Great War killed 50,000 people and 20,000 of them in the first 9 minutes. In four years I don't think we've hit that mark yet.
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I think it's stupid we haven't ratified kyoto yet. It's not surprising though, big business is deeply entrenched in our grovernment. There is alot more attention being paid to global climate change, so I suspect in the near future things may start changing in regards to that.

On Iraq - I'm a veteran who has been to the middle east in support of OIF and OEF. Although I wasn't in Iraq or Aghganistan, I am considered a combat veteran since it was a hazardous fire area. I've lived in tent city, the whole nine yards (except getting shot at thank goodness).

Basically my oppinion is that it was necessary to go into aghganistan. That place was a legitimate den of vipers that needed cleaned out. And in my oppinion, we should have focused our efforts on it before venturing elsewhere in the middle. In regards to the war on terror, this is where we should have kept our battlefield.

Iraq we should have left alone for now. Saddamn Huessein, while not the nicest of guys out there, was actually desirable to have in the region. He was helping keep Iran in line. As soon as he gets taken out, guess who starts getting pissy? He was also technically an athiest (he did style himself after stalin, mustache and all) - that means he can be reasoned with (and bought). You can't reason with or buy zealots, which is what we're primarily fighting now. He was also the only thing keeping Iraq together. Granted it was through brute force and fear, but you didn't here about any civil war nonesense until he was taken out. Basically, Iraq was a non issue on the war on terror. I don't know whether the evidence for WMDs was faked or or just flawed, but I'd have let it sit. We have much bigger problems in the region than throwing rocks at another hornet's nest.

Personally, I think we invaded Iraq just to make alot of people very rich. Why didn't we attack Iran or Saudi Arabia? Those two nations are crawling with terrorist activity compared to Iraq. It all comes down to money. With the war in Iraq we could legitimize more over inflated defense contract budgets and also lend credability to international oil price fixing. Think it's odd that both Bush president's have made B-lines for Iraq? I mean it's not like they're from a big oil family that can benefit from gas price increases, right? Let's not forget the oil industries good friends the Saudis. They're making money off this too. Let's not forget the contracters in this! People have no idea how much money is being wasted on contracting. Millions - billions actually - are dissapearing down drains right now. Anytime you hear someone ask for more money for the war on terror, that's what they're talking about - money for contracting. Despite the trillions spent, soldiers are buying their own body armor and safety equipment and the wounded are sent to shit holes like Walter Reed. Hmmm? Wonder where all the money is going to? It makes me sick to my stomache.

If we REALLY wanted to fight the war on terror, we'd been working towards implementing alternate fuel sources. That's where terrorists are getting all their money from - oil. If the money from the US - and other nations - stops pouring in, they're little cash reserves are going to dry up. But see, nobody in charge actually cares about that. Instead they drum up patriotism and religous fervor to get support for a bogus and pointless war.

Sure Saddam is a bad guy. I know all about his activities, and his sons. But now isn't the time to deal with him. A base commander I used to have (now a general) out in the middle east told me a story about a young girl who hugged him crying for joy. Her father had been killed by Saddam. Not just killed, but hacked up, put in a bag, and left on their family's doorstep. That's not an email, that's a story I heard from the horse's mouth so to speak. I'm aware it was a sick brutal regime and the world is a better place without him here, but at what cost? Civil War? How many dead americans? Hell how many dead period? Was anything really accomplished in the long run? Iraq is more dangerous now than ever, and will be until the government collapses and a shiite fundamentalist government is setup. And then we'll really have a terrorist threat over there, in addition to Iran, Saudi, and all the others.

I could seriously write a book on all this crap.

In short, I'm pissed off with the direction our country is heading, I'm pissed off at leaders who are more interested in lining their pockets then trying to leave the country - and world - a better place, and I'm pissed off at all of us in the US for letting it happen. The deomocrates are going to get their chance this next election. I think in the end it's going to be the same bullshit with a different spin, but god I can hope. I know the county is desperate for change now. I think we're all going to be shocked at how many red states go blue in 2008.

Later I may post my big rant on Islam but I have too much homework to do that.

EDIT: on the world police comment....
with great power comes great responsability...
all it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing....
Right now, the US is the most powerfull nation in the world. That may change here in near future, but at present it's true. Don't we have a responsability to help? To contribute? I think we're often misguided in that endeavour (like the direction the war on terror has gone), but I don't recall hearing Europe complaining during WW2. I think we should try to work together with other nations more, and actively pursue a more responsible leadership position in the world as opposed to the go it alone cowboy attitude we currently have. The UN is basically a snapshot of world power at the end of WW2, so I don't have any problems blowing them off, but we need to be more aware of the fact that this is a global community and we have the potential to help.
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To be honest, then it's good, only good!
Iraq...it is place what is full of moslems!
If I'm American, then I would be pround of
Bush, I think that he doesn't want bad,
but what we can do if terrorists are disturbing
and burning our flags? Isn't it a little strange?

They started and they have to also give up, if they don't what to see destruction.
But if not then we have to finish it, then it isn't our problem, that was their wish.
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No matter which way I look at it, whether I believe that the government is right or wrong, I live here, and I have to abide by any rules set. -shrugs-
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I think Bush has his own reason for wars.. but mostly, i disagree on how hes been sending hundreds and hundreds of troops out to the far way country... i donno exactly...
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Posted 3/19/07

Crossy wrote:

Edit: Oh, and it'll be four years tomorrow (3/20/2003) since the war in Iraq started. Personally, I think it was the wrong choice to go to war, but just like The Great War, once war is set in motion, it is almost impossible to stop. I think that right now, Bush hasn't really made any mistakes. Going to war was a mistake, yes, but I don't believe anyone right now can successfully draw up a plan to end the war.
Technically - for the sake of correct (layman) terminology, it's the invasion of Iraq that was made in 2003, and the war itself is the civil-war type. Not like the Great War/WWI, which is a a full-scale war. Also, technically, Iraq is under occupation and not at war.

I don't mean to step on your toes nor cause any offence, but please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, though.
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to quote Borat, "I love the U.S and A"
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Posted 3/19/07

catex wrote:


Crossy wrote:

Edit: Oh, and it'll be four years tomorrow (3/20/2003) since the war in Iraq started. Personally, I think it was the wrong choice to go to war, but just like The Great War, once war is set in motion, it is almost impossible to stop. I think that right now, Bush hasn't really made any mistakes. Going to war was a mistake, yes, but I don't believe anyone right now can successfully draw up a plan to end the war.
Technically - for the sake of correct (layman) terminology, it's the invasion of Iraq that was made in 2003, and the war itself is the civil-war type. Not like the Great War/WWI, which is a a full-scale war. Also, technically, Iraq is under occupation and not at war.

I don't mean to step on your toes nor cause any offence, but please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, though.


Well, I agree with what you're saying, but I would define it as a war as it has been broad casted throughout America. Although its not our typical idea of a war, I would still define it as one. And I wasn't trying to say that the War in Iraq is on par with the Great War, I was just trying to use a well known example of how once a war is started its really hard to get it to stop, no matter how the scale is.
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when u think about it although kyoto is a great idea and we should prob do it its not that simple. its completely different with a country of japan who is (no offense) small while the US is many many times it size in not just land mass but overall infrastructure that would need to be changed.
As for bush everyone knows hes a dumbass, the only reason he was voted bak in was because people felt it would be a bad idea introducing someone new in the middle of a war
And as for the US being a policing force in the world i say not for now. We need to look out for our own necks first for awhile. We are in debt over our heads and yet a natural disaster or a war happens in some small 3rd world country and we spend billions to fix it. The thing is though its not so easy to stop. Many people and countries want us to but hen something happens the world leaders look to the US for support, then if we dont do something the way they want it they get pissed.
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^ Yeah, I got your point earlier, which I completely agree with. It seems to me that money, politics and egos are usually the reasons for difficulties in ending a war (regardless of its type and scale). Thanks, Crossy.
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i know i should not bring back my own topics,but since the "is the us taking over the world thread"got so off topic,and everybody is pretty much talking about the stuff this thread is about,i thought its a good idea.correct me if i am wrong.
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Blaming george bush for the war is something only some kid who listens to greenday would even think of doing.

Kyoto is a great idea, australia also isn't part of it.
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