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If there's one thing you MUST know about Games or Gaming.What is it?
Posted 9/4/08
Sports games haven't really changed in the past 20 years.

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Posted 9/5/08 , edited 9/5/08

dmitsuki wrote:

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azjurai wrote:
Just because it's not a main-stream game, doesn't mean it's bad.

How very true... but then again, I think mainstream games butchered certain genres anyway (yes, I'm one of those people who believe games should be difficult and make you go crazy, but at the same time provide immense satisfaction once your cross that obstacle).

That would require gamers today not to suck. Seriously at the first sign of any difficulty they bitch and cry like pussies, so don't expect a challenge anytime soon. Hell, now games are getting "Skip entire chapter" features so the n00bs can go past the hard parts COMPLETELY.

I think it ties pretty nicely to fact (or speculation, depending which side you're on) that majority of today's gamers are casual gamers usually with little next to none experience in gaming, hence games have to be adapted to the inexperienced audiences... which is freaking annoying.


Posted 9/5/08

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In RPGs, secret bosses are stronger that the final bosses[duh... I bet everyone knows this].. However, I know 2 exemptions, Lucifer from Nocturne and Indalecio[limeter-off] from Star Ocean 2... Feel free to correct me if there are more final bosses stronger than the secret ones..


Lucifer is the hardest boss in any RPG ever.


He's a cheap bastard, the only dickward that can resist an Almighty type of attack...
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don't ever think that there is a "best" in any game and dun ever think your enemies are in front of you only
Posted 9/5/08 , edited 9/5/08

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dmitsuki wrote:

Methos12 wrote:

azjurai wrote:
Just because it's not a main-stream game, doesn't mean it's bad.

How very true... but then again, I think mainstream games butchered certain genres anyway (yes, I'm one of those people who believe games should be difficult and make you go crazy, but at the same time provide immense satisfaction once your cross that obstacle).

That would require gamers today not to suck. Seriously at the first sign of any difficulty they bitch and cry like pussies, so don't expect a challenge anytime soon. Hell, now games are getting "Skip entire chapter" features so the n00bs can go past the hard parts COMPLETELY.

I think it ties pretty nicely to fact (or speculation, depending which side you're on) that majority of today's gamers are casual gamers usually with little next to none experience in gaming, hence games have to be adapted to the inexperienced audiences... which is freaking annoying.




I wish that were the case, but that would mean that games targeted towards hardcore gamers would be hard still. The thing is, there have ALWAYS been large amounts of casual gamers, the potential was just fully tapped with the Wii. Me and my friends last gen ALWAYS knew there were casual, hardcore, blablaba. This Gen EVERYBODY seems to be spewing those words, just in the wrong sense. Now, everybody thinks if you own a Wii your a casual gamer, and if you play Halo your a hardcore gamer. This is not true. The fact is most hardcore games now are trying to appeal to our weaksuace "hardcore" crowd now, and not actual hardcore gamers. The casual gamers playing things like Mario Party, have nothing to do with it.

Honestly every other fucking game I hear says shit like "I want the game to be accessible to casual gamers but a challenge to hardcore gamers." Really, last gen NOBODY EVER said that, and you still made piles of money. Idiots.
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dmitsuki wrote:

Methos12 wrote:
I think it ties pretty nicely to fact (or speculation, depending which side you're on) that majority of today's gamers are casual gamers usually with little next to none experience in gaming, hence games have to be adapted to the inexperienced audiences... which is freaking annoying.


I wish that were the case, but that would mean that games targeted towards hardcore gamers would be hard still. The thing is, there have ALWAYS been large amounts of casual gamers, the potential was just fully tapped with the Wii. Me and my friends last gen ALWAYS knew there were casual, hardcore, blablaba. This Gen EVERYBODY seems to be spewing those words, just in the wrong sense. Now, everybody thinks if you own a Wii your a casual gamer, and if you play Halo your a hardcore gamer. This is not true. The fact is most hardcore games now are trying to appeal to our weaksuace "hardcore" crowd now, and not actual hardcore gamers. The casual gamers playing things like Mario Party, have nothing to do with it.

Honestly every other fucking game I hear says shit like "I want the game to be accessible to casual gamers but a challenge to hardcore gamers." Really, last gen NOBODY EVER said that, and you still made piles of money. Idiots.

Hmmm... true enough, my wording was somewhat wrong but I also disagree to some degree.

In the "old days" there weren't nearly as many casual games, if we can label them as such, compared to nowadays and even those that did exist could easily be placed into certain genres (yes, I'm looking at you sports simulations).. and I'm referring to consoles since we're already kinda discussing about them here (and well all know they're the actual bane of hardcore gaming... right? :P). I know this could pretty much apply only to my country (Croatia), but back in the days there were no casual gamers here, honestly (perhaps that's why its so hard for me to grasp the idea) - you either played some kind of video games and you were a "gamer" or you avoided them because you thought they're stupid and for kids.

Problem in newer days isn't that some games are casual, but that EVERY developer tries to make their games "accessible and friendly to new users" (like you said), but in reality it says "we'll dumb down our games and make them as simple as possible, but it doesn't matter - we'll attract casual gamers with this). Funny thing is, that what you own really does (in other's eyes at least) make you what you are (Wii and Halo reference, like you said),

Another thing; games really can be, usually, divided into hardcore and "casual" categories depending on their genres (I'm talking about games here, not gamers mind you). Seriously, when was the last time you saw seriously hardcore (as in difficult, challenging and different) FPS game that didn't just pump in the newest technology to market itself (hello Crysis)? I know I can't remember. But some genre really do continue do be hardcore, mainly because they are HARD (4X and TBS mainly).

Well... I have no idea what to write as a final conclusion here since it's such a subjective topic... oh well.
Yeah, we're going OT here.
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the point of a game is enjoyment, dont play it if doesnt strike your interest
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Posted 9/5/08

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dmitsuki wrote:

Methos12 wrote:
I think it ties pretty nicely to fact (or speculation, depending which side you're on) that majority of today's gamers are casual gamers usually with little next to none experience in gaming, hence games have to be adapted to the inexperienced audiences... which is freaking annoying.


I wish that were the case, but that would mean that games targeted towards hardcore gamers would be hard still. The thing is, there have ALWAYS been large amounts of casual gamers, the potential was just fully tapped with the Wii. Me and my friends last gen ALWAYS knew there were casual, hardcore, blablaba. This Gen EVERYBODY seems to be spewing those words, just in the wrong sense. Now, everybody thinks if you own a Wii your a casual gamer, and if you play Halo your a hardcore gamer. This is not true. The fact is most hardcore games now are trying to appeal to our weaksuace "hardcore" crowd now, and not actual hardcore gamers. The casual gamers playing things like Mario Party, have nothing to do with it.

Honestly every other fucking game I hear says shit like "I want the game to be accessible to casual gamers but a challenge to hardcore gamers." Really, last gen NOBODY EVER said that, and you still made piles of money. Idiots.

Hmmm... true enough, my wording was somewhat wrong but I also disagree to some degree.

In the "old days" there weren't nearly as many casual games, if we can label them as such, compared to nowadays and even those that did exist could easily be placed into certain genres (yes, I'm looking at you sports simulations).. and I'm referring to consoles since we're already kinda discussing about them here (and well all know they're the actual bane of hardcore gaming... right? :P). I know this could pretty much apply only to my country (Croatia), but back in the days there were no casual gamers here, honestly (perhaps that's why its so hard for me to grasp the idea) - you either played some kind of video games and you were a "gamer" or you avoided them because you thought they're stupid and for kids.

Problem in newer days isn't that some games are casual, but that EVERY developer tries to make their games "accessible and friendly to new users" (like you said), but in reality it says "we'll dumb down our games and make them as simple as possible, but it doesn't matter - we'll attract casual gamers with this). Funny thing is, that what you own really does (in other's eyes at least) make you what you are (Wii and Halo reference, like you said),

Another thing; games really can be, usually, divided into hardcore and "casual" categories depending on their genres (I'm talking about games here, not gamers mind you). Seriously, when was the last time you saw seriously hardcore (as in difficult, challenging and different) FPS game that didn't just pump in the newest technology to market itself (hello Crysis)? I know I can't remember. But some genre really do continue do be hardcore, mainly because they are HARD (4X and TBS mainly).

Well... I have no idea what to write as a final conclusion here since it's such a subjective topic... oh well.
Yeah, we're going OT here. :D

Well, in America, back when there was no hardcore or casual games(Of course, were speaking console here, not PC). My mom and dad both played games like Sonic the Hedgehog, they were casual gamers. I was hardcore, and loved Sonic, we all played the game, only on different levels. Was Sonic a hardcore or a casual game? It was neither, gamers were not as dumb back then and labeling games casual and hardcore, they were just video games. "Casual Games" are supposed to be things anybody can pick up and play, but the thing is, if anybody is interested, no matter what kind of gamer, they can pick up and play a game. All games are just games, there's no such thing as a hardcore or a casual game. My dad would play Madden for over 6 hours straight daily. If a person truly wanted to they could play something like Cooking Mama till there hands fall off, there hardcore, the game though? It's just a video game, and I think people are forgetting this. Video Games are Video Games, make a GOOD game and people will play it, hard, easy, medium, or whatever.

The real problem here, is the growth of the industry. Before, companies could just make good games, and then make adequate money off of them. They didn't have to change what they wanted the game to be, or how it should be to cater to a audience to maximize profits. Now, on the other hand, sense games are so expensive to develop, all developers, instead of trying to actually make a good game to appeal to the large amount of hardcore gamers, would just try to make a easy piece of shit that appeals to massive amounts of casual gamers. It's much easier, cost less, and they have far lower expectations. The people who really wanted and needed to capitalize on this idea, or who even started this trend, was Nintendo. Nintendo was hurting for money, going head to head with Sony and Microsoft would of been like signing the company's death waiver. There plan worked, and made them buckets of cash, and now Microsoft and Sony are going after the same market. This leads people to say the Wii is a casual console, and that Nintendo abandoned hardcore gamers, this is not true. While Nintendo are being pretty dicky towards hardcore gamers, they are still pumping out those beloved franchise's. Now, the third party's wish to make a quick buck putting out shitty stuff, but you can't blame Ninty for that.

Really, the fact is, the Wii is just as hardcore as a 360. I can find plenty of good experience's on my Wii, they just wont be in HD 1080p using 3.0 pixel shaders and full HDR, which honestly, I don't care. With the Wii, everybody dismisses it because it doesn't do a bunch of fancy graphics effects with cutting edge (3 years ago) technology.(That half the people, mind you, don't even know what they actually do. Like the idiots screaming about the PS3's Cell) So, this leaves people who hate the Wii because "It's for Kids" And then people like me, who own a Wii, play Wii games, and have fun with my Wii. I'm looking forward to a ton of Wii games, and I HATE party games and mini games.

Not to be arrogant or anything, but I'm probably the most hardcore gamer on CR, I know all about technical crap (I even program.) and have a vast knowledge of the gaming industry. This gen, people have put heavy emphasis on a lot of things. Casual, Hardcore, Media, Graphics, but they all seem to be forgetting the most important thing in gaming. GAME'S. There has been almost no new game release's with anything knew and innovative that WASN'T made by some indie developers. (Nothing against indie developers, just trying to prove a point.) The way the game industry is moving, things are looking good, but worse then ever. Games now generate more profit then they ever have, and surpass the revenue of things like the Movie Industry. But with things like that, come a higher emphasis on things like shares, stock, etc. Now, one little mistake can cost you your company, so everybody is playing it safe, putting a hold on innovation, and just going with proven formula's. In fact, Square Enix made a announcement that anybody who makes a non traditional game in there company would be FIRED.

I have no clue where to conclude this either, but this isn't off topic. Anybody who should know anything about the gaming industry and games, should know things like this.
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I think the most important thing people need to know about gaming is that it is meant for entertainment purposes. You don't have to base your life around Video Games (although i sort of do) to be a "Hardcore Gamer", its really determined by how you play the games.
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Sports games haven't really changed in the past 20 years.



true dat
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Posted 10/9/08
System requirements. duh! (unless console)
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Posted 10/9/08
You must know that PS2 games will not play on your XBox.
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