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Large Hadron Collider: opportunity or risk?
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well in case you haven't realized it yet
life sucks; and then you die
so why not welcome the apocalypse with open arms?

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alrissa wrote:

They're using OUR tax money? Then I don't like the idea now. There's better things to spend our money with, like helping third-world countries.

But what do we know, they could be spending half of the world's resources to do something sneaky and doing secret experiments now.


Heh even helping out 3rd world countries is a waste of money,once again a waste of tax money.
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mauz15 wrote:


Sureiya wrote:


animeprincessyumi wrote:

humans got too smart -___-
hmmm...what if the invention fails? D:


then it's good bye world, this invention is like 50/50, they're like messing with the unknown, but still, I find this one more interesting than porn.


Lies.
There was a much chance of the world ending as the chance of every raven in the world turning pink tomorrow. Yeah, that ridiculously unlikely. Not even close to 50/50 like you say. Not even close to less than 1%

The only risk is the machine getting damaged, and it didn't.

Why is it that people spill whatever they hear without even knowing what they are talking about?

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/brian_cox_on_cern_s_supercollider.html



if the machine is the only one getting the damage, then good to hear 'bout that and that's a relief.
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Sureiya wrote:


mauz15 wrote:


Sureiya wrote:


animeprincessyumi wrote:

humans got too smart -___-
hmmm...what if the invention fails? D:


then it's good bye world, this invention is like 50/50, they're like messing with the unknown, but still, I find this one more interesting than porn.


Lies.
There was a much chance of the world ending as the chance of every raven in the world turning pink tomorrow. Yeah, that ridiculously unlikely. Not even close to 50/50 like you say. Not even close to less than 1%

The only risk is the machine getting damaged, and it didn't.

Why is it that people spill whatever they hear without even knowing what they are talking about?

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/brian_cox_on_cern_s_supercollider.html



if the machine is the only one getting the damage, then good to hear 'bout that and that's a relief.


its is 50/50 the way i see it
heres how i know
it either works right or it will ill us all
there you go

and for more info go to CERN's site

or other credible publications

also i never beleive those 1/90000000 or whatever statistics, ppl make it up out of nowhere prolly...
everything is 50/50 it either will or it wont

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zendude wrote:


moratorium wrote:


Sureiya wrote:


mauz15 wrote:


Sureiya wrote:


animeprincessyumi wrote:

humans got too smart -___-
hmmm...what if the invention fails? D:


then it's good bye world, this invention is like 50/50, they're like messing with the unknown, but still, I find this one more interesting than porn.


Lies.
There was a much chance of the world ending as the chance of every raven in the world turning pink tomorrow. Yeah, that ridiculously unlikely. Not even close to 50/50 like you say. Not even close to less than 1%

The only risk is the machine getting damaged, and it didn't.

Why is it that people spill whatever they hear without even knowing what they are talking about?

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/brian_cox_on_cern_s_supercollider.html



if the machine is the only one getting the damage, then good to hear 'bout that and that's a relief.


its is 50/50 the way i see it
heres how i know
it either works right or it will ill us all
there you go

and for more info go to CERN's site

or other credible publications

also i never beleive those 1/90000000 or whatever statistics, ppl make it up out of nowhere prolly...
everything is 50/50 it either will or it wont



Well to the internet 1/90000000 might as well be 50/50. "LAWL"

Might as well post this here:


take that apple know your place
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Posted 9/10/08

moratorium wrote:


Sureiya wrote:


mauz15 wrote:


Sureiya wrote:


animeprincessyumi wrote:

humans got too smart -___-
hmmm...what if the invention fails? D:


then it's good bye world, this invention is like 50/50, they're like messing with the unknown, but still, I find this one more interesting than porn.


Lies.
There was a much chance of the world ending as the chance of every raven in the world turning pink tomorrow. Yeah, that ridiculously unlikely. Not even close to 50/50 like you say. Not even close to less than 1%

The only risk is the machine getting damaged, and it didn't.

Why is it that people spill whatever they hear without even knowing what they are talking about?

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/brian_cox_on_cern_s_supercollider.html



if the machine is the only one getting the damage, then good to hear 'bout that and that's a relief.


its is 50/50 the way i see it
heres how i know
it either works right or it will ill us all
there you go

and for more info go to CERN's site

or other credible publications

also i never beleive those 1/90000000 or whatever statistics, ppl make it up out of nowhere prolly...
everything is 50/50 it either will or it wont



well, you'd better quote what mauz15 sez and better start an argument with her, not with me.

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Sureiya wrote:


moratorium wrote:


Sureiya wrote:


mauz15 wrote:


Sureiya wrote:


animeprincessyumi wrote:

humans got too smart -___-
hmmm...what if the invention fails? D:


then it's good bye world, this invention is like 50/50, they're like messing with the unknown, but still, I find this one more interesting than porn.


Lies.
There was a much chance of the world ending as the chance of every raven in the world turning pink tomorrow. Yeah, that ridiculously unlikely. Not even close to 50/50 like you say. Not even close to less than 1%

The only risk is the machine getting damaged, and it didn't.

Why is it that people spill whatever they hear without even knowing what they are talking about?

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/brian_cox_on_cern_s_supercollider.html



if the machine is the only one getting the damage, then good to hear 'bout that and that's a relief.


its is 50/50 the way i see it
heres how i know
it either works right or it will ill us all
there you go

and for more info go to CERN's site

or other credible publications

also i never beleive those 1/90000000 or whatever statistics, ppl make it up out of nowhere prolly...
everything is 50/50 it either will or it wont



well, you'd better quote what mauz15 sez and better start an argument with her, not with me.


hahaha i just read what you posted earlier.....im not really looking to argue just yeah hahhahahahahaha more interesting than porn

i guess i ended up quoting the wrong person my bad
and i thought mauz was a guy? was i wrong hmmmm i should jsut ask naw its not that important
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didnt they just test it though
they sent one particle clock
then another at a diff time counter clock

something like that

there were no collisions that took place so the collisions determine everything

and that Ted guy works on the ATLAS portion so of course hes going to tell you its safe, really theres no way of telling how its going to go

so it is 50/50

so far the machine does work we know that,
but what will the resut be when the particles do collide
i cant wait
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Has the world ended yet? It's the waiting that annoys me....

Anyway a black hole just doesn't appear out of the blue.
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well i'm still alive...
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they say that the particle or black hole will get big at october, its has been launched but it's not big yet so I have to wait for another month x.X
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Allhailodin wrote:


alrissa wrote:

They're using OUR tax money? Then I don't like the idea now. There's better things to spend our money with, like helping third-world countries.

But what do we know, they could be spending half of the world's resources to do something sneaky and doing secret experiments now.


Heh even helping out 3rd world countries is a waste of money,once again a waste of tax money.


I agree, but it sometime depends on what country it is and who's handling the money.
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moratorium wrote:
its is 50/50 the way i see it
heres how i know
it either works right or it will ill us all
there you go

and for more info go to CERN's site

or other credible publications

also i never beleive those 1/90000000 or whatever statistics, ppl make it up out of nowhere prolly...
everything is 50/50 it either will or it wont



Ahh ok I see how it is. well, just so you know, the way YOU see it is not necessarily the way it ACTUALLY is.
people make up statistics out of nowhere you are right, I often see Bullshit like "50/50 chances" without any proof whatsoever.
But not everyone does, especially when the act of making stuff up could cost their entire scientific career.

If you think people make those statistics out of nowhere it means you dont know where they come from which means you dont understand statistics to begin with.

The TED guy is a physicist, I am pretty sure he knows probability better than you.
Second, you cannot justify anything of what you just said just by pointing out the background of the person on that video. That's not how it works. It is the argument that matters, not the person.

but fine I'll let this slide and then give you a statement from Stephen Hawking.

"The LHC is absolutely safe. If the collisions in the LHC produced a micro black hole - and this is unlikely - it would just evaporate away again, producing a correctoristic pattern of particles," he said.

"Collisions releasing greater energy occur millions of times a day in the earth's atmosphere and nothing terrible happens. The world will not come to an end when the LHC turns on."

However he pointed out that if the LHC were indeed to create minor black holes, his own work on the subject could be verified and he chould receive the highest acclaim in the field.

He said: "If the LHC were to produce little black holes, I don't think there is any doubt I would get a Nobel Prize, if they showed the properties I predict.

"However I think the the probability that the LHC has enough energy to produce little black holes is less than 1 per cent - so I'm not holding my breath."


50/50 mean either this or that. And this does not apply to this experiment. There are other possible outcomes that have more probability of occurring than 'the world ending'. It is not 50/50.

and the full report released LHC Safety Assessment Group
http://lsag.web.cern.ch/lsag/LSAG-Report.pdf

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mauz15 wrote:


moratorium wrote:
its is 50/50 the way i see it
heres how i know
it either works right or it will ill us all
there you go

and for more info go to CERN's site

or other credible publications

also i never believe those 1/90000000 or whatever statistics, ppl make it up out of nowhere prolly...
everything is 50/50 it either will or it wont



Ahh ok I see how it is. well, just so you know, the way YOU see it is not necessarily the way it ACTUALLY is.
people make up statistics out of nowhere you are right, I often see Bullshit like "50/50 chances" without any proof whatsoever.
But not everyone does, especially when the act of making stuff up could cost their entire scientific career.

If you think people make those statistics out of nowhere it means you dont know where they come from which means you dont understand statistics to begin with.

The TED guy is a physicist, I am pretty sure he knows probability better than you.
Second, you cannot justify anything of what you just said just by pointing out the background of the person on that video. That's not how it works. It is the argument that matters, not the person.

but fine I'll let this slide and then give you a statement from Stephen Hawking.

"The LHC is absolutely safe. If the collisions in the LHC produced a micro black hole - and this is unlikely - it would just evaporate away again, producing a correctoristic pattern of particles," he said.

"Collisions releasing greater energy occur millions of times a day in the earth's atmosphere and nothing terrible happens. The world will not come to an end when the LHC turns on."

However he pointed out that if the LHC were indeed to create minor black holes, his own work on the subject could be verified and he chould receive the highest acclaim in the field.

He said: "If the LHC were to produce little black holes, I don't think there is any doubt I would get a Nobel Prize, if they showed the properties I predict.

"However I think the the probability that the LHC has enough energy to produce little black holes is less than 1 per cent - so I'm not holding my breath."


50/50 mean either this or that. And this does not apply to this experiment. There are other possible outcomes that have more probability of occurring than 'the world ending'. It is not 50/50.

and the full report released LHC Safety Assessment Group




i do understand statistics mz, i just dont really care which outcome there will be

i wanna see a black hole
\also wanna see what happens when they succeed

2 choices of what i want so 50 50 hahahaha--- i know i know what you would say about that
also i already read that pdf file
and your right i dont know thats where they pull out their statistics of safety from
must admit this is the most interesting thing this yr so far
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Posted 9/11/08

moratorium wrote:

i do understand statistics mz, i just dont really care which outcome there will be

i wanna see a black hole
\also wanna see what happens when they succeed

2 choices of what i want so 50 50 hahahaha--- i know i know what you would say about that
also i already read that pdf file
and your right i dont know thats where they pull out their statistics of safety from
must admit this is the most interesting thing this yr so far


^ oh ok.

technically you cant even see a black hole since even light is trapped.
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