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That is very true. I always hate things like that. Now I’m all for the EPA. If somebody does not take care of the environment it will die. If it dies we go with it. But those people who spend masses of money and time on animal rescue kind of bother me. I don’t think we should just let animals die. If I saw an animal injured on the side of the road I would help it. (As long I can do so without endangering myself. I find it amusingly ironic how extreme animal rights activists usually get killed by the very animals they are trying to understand and protect. Look to The Grizzly man and Steve Irwin.) But, I think that people should come first. Lets try and focus all of our resources on the preservation and protection of the Human animal before primates, avian, reptile, ext.

Though, I don’t think we should waste time with some of the homeless people here in America. Some of them are victims of circumstance, but others are just plain lazy. My family lived in a tent for a long time. We were at the bottom of society. When we finally did get a house it was the remains of a crack-house. Maggots crawled from light-switches, swarmed over the cigarette burnt carpet. We spent months cleaning up this rented complex just to make it livable.

Now my parents have a combined income of 125g. This is a result of my new step father. When my mother divorced my previous step-father and married Martin he was no richer than we. But, he, unlike my previous guardian, worked his tail off for the sake of the family. He worked as a cook at a fast food restaurant, made his way up to manager. Since there are six of us we were still pretty poor.

A lot of these homeless people are simply lazy. They are not willing to put in the heavy labor that is sometimes required to make it in life. Not all of them, and to be completely honest a slacker like me couldn’t do anything more, but then again I wouldn’t expect charity in such a situation.

Anyway, that’s another topic. How hard it is for a ferret minded person like me to stay on topic! LOL!

Well, I wouldn’t want to use a soap that might melt my skin off or burn me. That should be tested on something before I use it. That something should not, in my opinion, be people; therefore, it should be animals. Testing on people is a greater evil than testing on animals, even if I cast aside my religious inclinations to say so.

That's how I feel.
Posted 3/25/07
I believe that animal testing is justified.

It has saved countless human and animal lives, and, until any alternatives are viable it is one of the best methods we have to ensuring the safetly of new drugs/pharmaceuticals/chemicals.
Yes, there have been some major problems with it such as Thalidomide (where the test was just carried out wrongly) and Helicobacter pylori (where it just couldn't be tested on animals)
In the H. pylori case tissue cultures did not work either (and the experimenter had to drink the bacteria himself to show that they were the cause of stomach ulcers)
There are many different rules and regulations about testing on Humans, and quite a few about testing on animals. Some of those concerned with humans just cannot be followed with animals;
You cannot brief an animal as to what the experiment is about
Animals cannot request witdrawal from a study
Animals cannot refuse to enter into the study in the first place
Nowadays it is impossible to introduce any new chemical which has not been tested on animals (The Body Shop is lying to you!) the individual components have all been tested in separate condtions, only they hahve not been tested in their final mix. Had they not been tested we'd have some serious problems (such as with using H2O2 (bleach/hydrogen peroxide) to dye your hair blonde)

On the whole animal testing is good, if not really "nice and fluffy" - My dad's place of work was invaded by protesters once, and from what he said they sound slightly stupid to be honest, can't they just sit down and debate the issue, or we could just put them into a world with only things which haven't been tested on animals and let them die off.
(yeah sorry that was harsh, but true) You are probably using at least one thing in your daily lives which has been tested on animals, and not using something else because it has been tested on animals.
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Animal testing helps prevent disease. Are you gonna help prevent disease? No? Then sacrifice a few cats and dogs and live with it.
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Honestly, i could care less, survival of the fittest, if other species cant survive from us humans than they don't deserve to live, and vice versa, if somehow us humans meet a species we cant defeat than we dont deserve to live
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^^you say that till one of your loved ones get a terrible disease,and cant be cured,
because people dont wanted to test stuff with animals.
my opinion is that it is ok if for medical research,but the cosmetic research is just
cruel and insane.
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I'm surprised some of you don't seem to be aware that there is a practice of having tests on people who didn't give permission. I won't go in this now cos I'm too lazy to dig up citations to back this up.

I'm largely against animal testing because its large percentage is pretty useless. What's the purpose of pumping vodka into a dog until it dies? I just don't see the pont of this kind.
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Well, Fated, forgive me for saying so but in my opinion I think your opinion is short sighted. We have to, to some degree, take care of our animals and ecosystem to preserve ourselves.

As far the point of vets, think about this: There are people who become heavily attached to animals. I have a buddy who lost both of his parents and his only sibling in some accident that I have refused to ask him about. His last living companion is this 20,000 year old dog of his. The things been to the vet countless times. If it were to die then my buddy would be crushed! Therefore, that vet is indirectly a service to him even more than it is to his dog. (Who should have died ages ago! It’s like the friking crypts-keeper!)


God created us all equal (my beliefs).
Feel free to ignore this if it is too bold, but let me understand... You believe that animals are just as important as people? Not saying your wrong, just interested because I've never met anyone with that belief. I've met people who think they are nearly as important, but on equal grounds as Humans? I'm srry, but I personally disagree.

One final thing, natural products don't cure cancer. They are less effective then synthetically made elements. We manufactior these things because they are more cost effective or just plain more effective.
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I'd like to comment on a quote FatedEmperor's profile. It says "The universe revolves around me."

Just a little bit ironic isn't it?

I have to agree that a fair percentage of experimentation is pretty useless. However that has recently declined significantly enough. There are plenty of cosmetics that are not experimented on animals so it's fine. However, the testing on cosmetics is needed at times. There are plenty of substances out there that can be carcinogens. That's why I wish the cosmetic industry should be removed, but that's an argument for another time.
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SeraphAlford wrote:


God created us all equal (my beliefs).
Feel free to ignore this if it is too bold, but let me understand... You believe that animals are just as important as people? Not saying your wrong, just interested because I've never met anyone with that belief.
^amused^ You've clearly not met a Buddhist or an animal rights advocate.
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.......*Eye twitch.* I've met many-a-animal rights advocate. Never a Buddhist... but... You know what.... *Eye twitch.* I'm a bit insulted by your sarcasm. Please refrain from it in the future. This is my request. I will be very grateful.
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As far as cosmetics go, I seen to remember some sort of beauty product that bragged about not testing on animals got really big, and then a few years later they discovered it caused cancer. Uh-huh, well, not that I cross dress or anything, but I’m not a fan of having simple products like makeup that are sold on mass scale causing peoples skin to rot off.

Again, my opinion.
Posted 3/25/07
i'm against animal testing for cosmetic uses because it's purely for our own vanity and is 100% selfish and wrong.
even though it may be cruel but i am for animal testing for medical purposes. advances in medicine and cures are really important and it's not really us being selfish. it's us trying to save lives and trying to eradicate diseases. if you think about it the animals that are being tested on are really common [not that it makes animal testing any more acceptable] but it's not like we are testing on endangered species.

i don't think there's a substitute for it though. whichever way you think about it, animal testing is the only option.
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SeraphAlford wrote:

.......*Eye twitch.* I've met many-a-animal rights advocate. Never a Buddhist... but... You know what.... *Eye twitch.* I'm a bit insulted by your sarcasm. Please refrain from it in the future. This is my request. I will be very grateful.
I wasn't being sarcastic. Sorry you saw it that way.

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Miyu showed me this. If I were you I would not watch it. I wish I did not. In fact I kind of hate Miyu right now. But, just so you have the option...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaXmRSvn2Oo

.... I don't even know what to say about that. You know what, I honestly wish those people were dead. If I ever see one.... Oh God please hold me back! That made me sick, it made me cry, it nearly made me puke!
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Oh, catex, forgive me then. My bad. Srry man, you don't need to appologize!
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