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Moral Dilemmas
Posted 8/9/10

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No idea. At first I'd probably go wtf and then I'd make sure it was me by asking it things only I would know. And then I'd break out of the room to see what lies outside. Cause I'm not staying in a enclosed room for an hour.

As for the first two questions. 1. Shove one into a seat. And the other in the trunk. Or both onto one seat I don't care.
2. Go in before the flames spread that far...... Or save the kids while telling my brother to jump out the window. Break a bone or burn to death. Not that hard.
For myself, I would use the opportunity to challenge myself by engaging my copy with a series of physical and mental duel. Even the result of this duel can very well be a stalemate, I'll be just as thrilled by the aspect of engaging myself with an equally matched opponent. Normally that's what I would challenge someone who's better than me so I won't have to hold back on my effort. However like I said in the scenario that since there is only my own copy during that hour, I'm relatively short on my list of available opponent for the time being. I just don't see how I can advance myself further without overcoming my own self within that hour. So my own will to power prompted me into challenging myself, and the result is the valuable lesson of self-empowerment.

However, there are two other possible outcomes in this situation: 1)you and your copy can cooperate on a joint project, when you have a partner who knows all your wants and needs, or 2)you and your copy can indulge on erotica, when you have a partner who knows all your desire and pleasures.

Furthermore, this philosophical situation can quite possibly be the representation of your inner private self. And with that in mind, what you'll do with your copy can be seen as your expectation and preference of either your will to power, your sense of duty, or your desire for exploitation. And you just stumble upon the added benefit of this philosophical exercise; the byproduct of self-conscious via self-awareness. Congrats!
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Posted 8/9/10

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No idea. At first I'd probably go wtf and then I'd make sure it was me by asking it things only I would know. And then I'd break out of the room to see what lies outside. Cause I'm not staying in a enclosed room for an hour.

As for the first two questions. 1. Shove one into a seat. And the other in the trunk. Or both onto one seat I don't care.
2. Go in before the flames spread that far...... Or save the kids while telling my brother to jump out the window. Break a bone or burn to death. Not that hard.
For myself, I would use the opportunity to challenge myself by engaging my copy with a series of physical and mental duel. Even the result of this duel can very well be a stalemate, I'll be just as thrilled by the aspect of engaging myself with an equally matched opponent. Normally that's what I would challenge someone who's better than me so I won't have to hold back on my effort. However like I said in the scenario that since there is only my own copy during that hour, I'm relatively short on my list of available opponent for the time being. I just don't see how I can advance myself further without overcoming my own self within that hour. So my own will to power prompted me into challenging myself, and the result is the valuable lesson of self-empowerment.

However, there are two other possible outcomes in this situation: 1)you and your copy can cooperate on a joint project, when you have a partner who knows all your wants and needs, or 2)you and your copy can indulge on erotica, when you have a partner who knows all your desire and pleasures.

Furthermore, this philosophical situation can quite possibly be the representation of your inner private self. And with that in mind, what you'll do with your copy can be seen as your expectation and preference of either your will to power, your sense of duty, or your desire for exploitation. And you just stumble upon the added benefit of this philosophical exercise; the byproduct of self-conscious via self-awareness. Congrats!


Well at first my thought was OMG let's fight myself. But then I realized that it'd end up being pointless. If it's an exact copy it'll think the same as you and it'll think of every move you think of so it's the same as punching a 5ft thick wall of steel. It's going to do nothing except hurt.
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Posted 8/9/10
Conversation would be pretty stunted too...

You already know what you're going to say so you'd have your answer before you got two words out.
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Posted 8/9/10

papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Conversation would be pretty stunted too...

You already know what you're going to say so you'd have your answer before you got two words out.


Not true. I find talking to my self helps me work out things, and come up with a hole new prospect. I think talking to a clone of one self would have the same affect as mental excursive known as talking to one self.
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Posted 8/9/10
Well the first part is wracked out getting into car to out run a tornado is stupid at best. Find a low spot on the ground and hug it or in a house bathroom or basement. the second one made little to know since it to me, tossing my kid broth out a second story window he would survive. The only moral dilemma i see is the author of this joke. I rotten at this stuff but dam and the lack of knowledge it funny. half the place I lived are in tornado alley I have been in the eye of a hurricane many time. Cat 4 or 5 head for the hill you live in a low spot head to high ground. it not like your not going to get a warning at least now.
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1: You are in an alleyway and a tornado is coming right at you. Your mother and person u love most in the world are with u. there is a car that can only hold two people face the oppiset dircetion of the tornado. One person must be left behind to die. who is it?

2. Your brother is stuck in side a burning building and only u can save him, but on the other side there are 5 children who haven't reach jouner high yet. You can only save one or the other. Who do u save?

- Honestly, I don't know for either of them and any answer I give would change the moment I actually ended up in one of those situations. There are just to many conditions that will change the answer. What if your mom decided to stay and forced you to take your lover with you? It that alright just because she is older and has had longer to live? Or is it our responsibility to protect those who raised us and gave us life? What if your lover was sick and going to die the next day anyway? Then what would you do? Seems logical to save your mom then, but emotionally, how could you abandon your lover for such a reason.
-The one with the 5 kids and the brother is also hard to decide. I like my brother so would want to save him, but is his life worth that of five children? Conditions, conditions... What if you hated your brother, or the kids were sick and wouldn't live very long anyway, then what would you do?

Then again, all this talk is kinda pointless except as a thought experiment. These strict situations don't usually happen in real life, where you only have two options and nothing else. And you never know all the info about a situation either.

Question: A train is coming down the track and is going to kill 4 workers. There is a lever you can pull that will divert the train so that it only kills a sole worker on the other track instead of the 4. What would you do?

Would it change your decision if the 4 men were criminals and the one had a loving family, or the other way around? What if the 4 men were quite old compared to the one?

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Posted 2/14/11 , edited 2/14/11

mishalee wrote:

1: You are in an alleyway and a tornado is coming right at you. Your mother and person u love most in the world are with u. there is a car that can only hold two people face the oppiset dircetion of the tornado. One person must be left behind to die. who is it?

2. Your brother is stuck in side a burning building and only u can save him, but on the other side there are 5 children who haven't reach jouner high yet. You can only save one or the other. Who do u save?

- Honestly, I don't know for either of them and any answer I give would change the moment I actually ended up in one of those situations. There are just to many conditions that will change the answer. What if your mom decided to stay and forced you to take your lover with you? It that alright just because she is older and has had longer to live? Or is it our responsibility to protect those who raised us and gave us life? What if your lover was sick and going to die the next day anyway? Then what would you do? Seems logical to save your mom then, but emotionally, how could you abandon your lover for such a reason.
-The one with the 5 kids and the brother is also hard to decide. I like my brother so would want to save him, but is his life worth that of five children? Conditions, conditions... What if you hated your brother, or the kids were sick and wouldn't live very long anyway, then what would you do?

Then again, all this talk is kinda pointless except as a thought experiment. These strict situations don't usually happen in real life, where you only have two options and nothing else. And you never know all the info about a situation either.

Question: A train is coming down the track and is going to kill 4 workers. There is a lever you can pull that will divert the train so that it only kills a sole worker on the other track instead of the 4. What would you do?

Would it change your decision if the 4 men were criminals and the one had a loving family, or the other way around? What if the 4 men were quite old compared to the one?



Tell them to get the hell out of the way? If I have time to pull a lever which will divert a train away to hit a sole person, I have time to punt their asses out of the way.

If they're tied down for some reason and I can't free them, then I have no idea what I would do. Yes who they are matters, but how would I know who they are. With no prior knowledge I would probably divert the train to the single person. 4 people is worth more then 1.

Damnit. Serious necropost here. Kill it with fire, or let it spread?
Posted 2/15/11

phyro989 wrote:

1: You are in an alleyway and a tornado is coming right at you. Your mother and person u love most in the world are with u. there is a car that can only hold two people face the oppiset dircetion of the tornado. One person must be left behind to die. who is it?


Mom and girlfriend goes in the car, I'll stay behind.



2. Your brother is stuck in side a burning building and only u can save him, but on the other side there are 5 children who haven't reach jouner high yet. You can only save one or the other. Who do u save?


Brother lives.
Posted 3/19/11
I'm morally 'darker' than most people.

All I personally care about is the effective method and the end result-- I've always figured if it was worth having, it didn't matter how much you lose long as the gain is higher value then what you lost.

"If you had to kill a thousand to save a million, would you?", well yes. In fact I don't see the problem with it since the weight of lives remain a higher value then the lives lost. It isn't a happy and light subject to dive into, but nevertheless I find the whole moral integrity debate fascinating.

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