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Is the Soul a Myth?
Posted 8/27/08
I felt something like a soul or something like it in my near death experience, like an energy left from my body. I got hit by a fucking SUV so hard that my heart stopped. I don't remember how much time elapsed but it seemed like everything I've done in my life and things I haven't done yet were flashing before my eyes. It felt like a world where things all moved faster then the speed of light and time did not exist, I felt an embrace on me, a warmth that I can not describe but it was a good feeling. At that moment it didn't feel like death was so bad, then I woke up in the hospital cause the doctors injected epinephrine in my heart and shocked it. But I don't know maybe I was having one of those fucked up weird ass dreams since I had an assload of drugs in my system lol.
Posted 8/27/08

J0hNNy2 wrote:

I felt something like a soul or something like it in my near death experience, like an energy left from my body. I got hit by a fucking SUV so hard that my heart stopped. I don't remember how much time elapsed but it seemed like everything I've done in my life and things I haven't done yet were flashing before my eyes. It felt like a world where things all moved faster then the speed of light and time did not exist, I felt an embrace on me, a warmth that I can not describe but it was a good feeling. At that moment it didn't feel like death was so bad, then I woke up in the hospital cause the doctors injected epinephrine in my heart and shocked it. But I don't know maybe I was having one of those fucked up weird ass dreams since I had an assload of drugs in my system lol.

maybe that warm embrace you felt was one of the hospital staff taking advantage of you?
Posted 8/27/08

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J0hNNy2 wrote:

I felt something like a soul or something like it in my near death experience, like an energy left from my body. I got hit by a fucking SUV so hard that my heart stopped. I don't remember how much time elapsed but it seemed like everything I've done in my life and things I haven't done yet were flashing before my eyes. It felt like a world where things all moved faster then the speed of light and time did not exist, I felt an embrace on me, a warmth that I can not describe but it was a good feeling. At that moment it didn't feel like death was so bad, then I woke up in the hospital cause the doctors injected epinephrine in my heart and shocked it. But I don't know maybe I was having one of those fucked up weird ass dreams since I had an assload of drugs in my system lol.

maybe that warm embrace you felt was one of the hospital staff taking advantage of you?


Maybe she was so hot that my heart started again
Posted 8/27/08 , edited 8/27/08

J0hNNy2 wrote:


KinkyHamster wrote:


J0hNNy2 wrote:

I felt something like a soul or something like it in my near death experience, like an energy left from my body. I got hit by a fucking SUV so hard that my heart stopped. I don't remember how much time elapsed but it seemed like everything I've done in my life and things I haven't done yet were flashing before my eyes. It felt like a world where things all moved faster then the speed of light and time did not exist, I felt an embrace on me, a warmth that I can not describe but it was a good feeling. At that moment it didn't feel like death was so bad, then I woke up in the hospital cause the doctors injected epinephrine in my heart and shocked it. But I don't know maybe I was having one of those fucked up weird ass dreams since I had an assload of drugs in my system lol.

maybe that warm embrace you felt was one of the hospital staff taking advantage of you?


Maybe she was so hot that my heart started again

or maybe he was so horny he shocked your heart making it start
Posted 8/27/08

KinkyHamster wrote:


J0hNNy2 wrote:


KinkyHamster wrote:


J0hNNy2 wrote:

I felt something like a soul or something like it in my near death experience, like an energy left from my body. I got hit by a fucking SUV so hard that my heart stopped. I don't remember how much time elapsed but it seemed like everything I've done in my life and things I haven't done yet were flashing before my eyes. It felt like a world where things all moved faster then the speed of light and time did not exist, I felt an embrace on me, a warmth that I can not describe but it was a good feeling. At that moment it didn't feel like death was so bad, then I woke up in the hospital cause the doctors injected epinephrine in my heart and shocked it. But I don't know maybe I was having one of those fucked up weird ass dreams since I had an assload of drugs in my system lol.

maybe that warm embrace you felt was one of the hospital staff taking advantage of you?


Maybe she was so hot that my heart started again

or maybe he was so horny he shocked your heart making it start


OMG you guys are too much....lol

well anyways....i would give my honest opinion but i can already see everyone telling me why im wrong and all that shit so i'd rather not.....
Posted 8/27/08

KinkyHamster wrote:


J0hNNy2 wrote:


KinkyHamster wrote:


J0hNNy2 wrote:

I felt something like a soul or something like it in my near death experience, like an energy left from my body. I got hit by a fucking SUV so hard that my heart stopped. I don't remember how much time elapsed but it seemed like everything I've done in my life and things I haven't done yet were flashing before my eyes. It felt like a world where things all moved faster then the speed of light and time did not exist, I felt an embrace on me, a warmth that I can not describe but it was a good feeling. At that moment it didn't feel like death was so bad, then I woke up in the hospital cause the doctors injected epinephrine in my heart and shocked it. But I don't know maybe I was having one of those fucked up weird ass dreams since I had an assload of drugs in my system lol.

maybe that warm embrace you felt was one of the hospital staff taking advantage of you?


Maybe she was so hot that my heart started again

or maybe he was so horny he shocked your heart making it start


It's scary to know that my sex appeal attracts other men
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Posted 8/27/08 , edited 8/28/08
Nice Post Flo.

I agree that a consciousness can't exist without a sensory system (this may open up a debate of what living beings there are without a sensory system that one might bestow a kind of consciousness/soul upon), but at least as it pertains to humans, I cannot imagine awareness without physical existence. I also understand the natural human wish to have a incorporeal entity representing our thoughts, opinions, feelings, etc. Something besides our sack of skin eh? However, I'm personally not bothered in believing that my thoughts, opinions, feelings are but a reflection of my memories, genetic makeup, perception and life experience in understanding the world around me as well as my place in it. This may be all the chemical reactions from the body to the brain that you maybe talking about, but I'm not sure. Let me know if I've misunderstood.

The term 'soul' is a loaded gun to me. I much prefer self-awareness, consciousness, state of mind, etc. There's alot of theories swirling around the definition of a 'soul.' As well as scientific studies into what 'awareness' may actually be. I've read a few philosophical works as well as scientific data delving into these mysteries, but I've found that there is no conclusive answer. The answer is what satisfies yourself. Finding that out, I surrendered any further thoughts about it. So I think this thread would enlighten me =) At least in respect to what yall believe. Thanks.

edited some grammar ><
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Posted 8/27/08
i believe there is such thing as a spirit.

i have a taste for things of the occult, shamanistic, and otherworldy. i have dabbled in such things as witchcraft, shamanism, and divination, and continue to practice them regularly. some spells/rituals do require you to come into contact with an extra-dimensional being or two, and my experiences definitley lead me to believe in such a thing as spirit. in my other-worldly adventures, i have come to meet several "spirits," and have even communicated with them, proving, at least to me, that they exist. of course, you can't share an experience like that with people, and there is no physical evidence of it, so in the world of science, nothing was proven.

but since i know other spirits exist, i think its safe to assume that I have a spirit too.
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Posted 8/27/08
i think we have a soul spirit but ,,like in a other you..
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Posted 8/27/08 , edited 8/27/08
Say the soul does not exist.

That would mean that true happiness comes from the physical senses. In other words, what makes us feel good, like eating candy to rape. Therefore, that would also mean that killing others for something as a Sidekick would be alright because the pursuit of happiness is a good, according to what people believe, for example.

Say someone you love such as your mother was being raped by five men who seek their happiness by rapping others...

Just imagining that will make you feel... unhappy. Why, if it doesn't concern yourself? It should be alright since they are only doing what they do for happiness, right? (forgive me for my extreme ideas)

Personally, I would never let anyone I care about be victim of those who only seek happiness as something physical.

I believe in souls. To me, having a soul means I can do good and love. It also means I can care for others as they care about me.

Not having a soul makes me an animal... I'm not an animal... We aren't animals in a sense that we do to survive for ourselves.



Sorry, I guess things went too far. Still, a soul means that. It's not just some invisible thing or whatever, that's a physical definition. A soul can't really be... defined in a dictionary. It's more like it can only be explained... I mean people can write books on souls. It's so simple it's too hard to... simply explain it in less then ten words.


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Posted 8/27/08
not sure yet.

but if they succeed in creating A.I then it's most likely *still not sure here btw* that things like soul doesn't exist.

coz like.. if they re-create an electronic device that resembles and mimic human brains in every single detail.. and somehow that thing is alive.. then we're nothing but electrical signals like that A.I there.

That's a big if though.
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Posted 8/28/08 , edited 8/28/08

Ouka-kun wrote: Say the soul does not exist. That would mean that true happiness comes from the physical senses. In other words, what makes us feel good, like eating candy to rape. Therefore, that would also mean that killing others for something as a Sidekick would be alright because the pursuit of happiness is a good

I believe happiness is more than just fulfilling our sensual desires (eat, sleep, fuck) but also our emotional (communal identity, self-esteem) and mental (clarity of thought, sense of order in the world) ones as well. Of course, we know of pleasure as sensory stimulation, etc. But I believe our emotional and mental well-being is connected to our bodies as well. What we see, feel, and understand with our bodies gets filtered in our minds and translates to something like happiness or inner peace. You attribute our ethics/morals (on stealing) to the soul. But I'd say there are a few things that contribute to value formation including what's socially sanctioned (cultural conditioning of sorts) - in order for one to function in society.


Ouka-kun wrote: I believe in souls. To me, having a soul means I can do good and love. It also means I can care for others as they care about me. Not having a soul makes me an animal... I'm not an animal... We aren't animals in a sense that we do to survive for ourselves.

If a soul does indeed bestow upon us ethics/morals and emotional/mental sensitivity and understanding, then your argument claims that animals are not privy to these. However, you can find altruistic species in the wild. You can also find animals who have an emotional and mental understanding of themselves, an "awareness" of sorts of who they are (studies on Theory of Mind).

The definition of a soul can be discussed for ages.


supermalv wrote: but if they succeed in creating A.I then it's most likely *still not sure here btw* that things like soul doesn't exist.

Complex supercomputers still can't do some functions that the human brain does or at least does it in a way thats vastly different. There are people who try to find the definition of a soul in comparing the subtle nuances that differentiate our brains from computers.
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Posted 8/28/08

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hmm maybe... did anybody watched the episode of The Simpsons where Bart sells his soul and strange stuff happens?


yes i did, lol.

I believe in the soul. maybe none of this stuff Descartes said about it being connected to the body through the pineal gland but I do believe in it.
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Posted 8/28/08
Certainly, I believe in the Soul

many people have different opinion to believe or not
its their choice and whats stopping them?
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Posted 8/28/08
As with anything there must be a purpose to life. To those who think otherwise, please commit suicide to prove your point. One's life is not worth living without a purpose or a goal. Random existance is out of the question. Honestly, I don't know how people even think that's true.
As I was saying, there is a soul. But then what is the purpose of a soul? It is to build and train it's character so that we can eventually reach God. When our bodies die our souls do not and they either go to heaven, hell, or purgatory. That's my short explaination for it.
So for those athiests who do believe in a soul, I would like to know what you think it does and what happens to it after your body dies.
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