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Are people born gay/straight/bi or....
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Posted 3/26/07
its a choice, u choose to have anal sex, or munch carpets. your not born like that. your not born straight u choose to be straight. its just an excuse to make themselves fully sure whether they are gay or not
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I think they are born with it, but whether they're aware of it is another story. I think each person's awareness of their sexual orientation depends on environment and/or exposure.

Once their awareness is born, it becomes a choice of whether to recognise it. Making this choice depends on each person's personality and/or upbringing. This is probably why the general pattern is so erratic.

It doesn't apply to just sexual orientation, it also applies to people's sexual preferences and/or sex-related interests.
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Well I have to say that I agree we're inclined to do it, but we also need outside influences to fully bring it out.What makes straight people attracted to the opposite sex? There is at least some underlying factor that causes us. The main purpose of life is to reproduce so we must have some preprogramming. However the ultimate deciding factor is similar to catex's response.
Posted 3/26/07
It is not choice, you did not choose to be straight did you (assuming that the majority of people reading this are heterosexual) No one wakes up one day and says "ooo... I think I'll be gay today" or "I think I'll be straight today"

In terms of the nurture vs. nature debate studies have shown higher concordance between siblings than between twins, this implies that nature is the greater force, though does not rule out genetic roots.
However I found this interesting data (from a Metastudy) stating that Monozygotic twins have higher concordance rates (like ~50%) in comparison to Dizygotic Twins (~15%)
http://www.tim-taylor.com/papers/twin_studies/studies.html#sotmtsoh

I would accept the "diathesis - stress" model, in which there is a tendency laid down by genetics, which then requires an outside factor to cause it to activate the syptom (being sexual orientation) - prenatal conditions enter into these "stresses" - though it is possible that they themselves cause the diathesis.

@ digs - there may be communities where the genes for "gayness" are more common, however these societies may not have an existent stressor, infact there may be factor discouraging homosexuality, which is often the case, so even those of the community with the diathesis will never meet the stressor, or will never admit to being homosexual.


@ seraph - maybe the "overly-strict father" is gay, just they were brought up in a society which punished homosexuality, they therefore "had to be heterosexual" - the son/daughter will have grown up in the current society, which is generally more lenient, and would therefore feel safer "admiting" to their orientation

@ mushroomjay - can you back up your opinion please?
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The experiment that they performed in your source isn't very convincing to be honest. The earliest study stated that, "Of these 85 index cases, 40 were monozygotic twins, and 45 were dizygotic twins, although no mention is made of tests administered to prove zygosity. The exact method of recruitment is unclear from the report, but it is stated that "the search for potential index cases was organized not only with the aid of psychiatric, correctional, and charitable agencies, but also through direct contacts with the clandestine homosexual world."

I don't know about you, but that makes it pretty faulty data. There's no concrete evidence showing the backgrounds of the twins. The second one had a sample size of 12 which is highly variable. With a knowledge of basic statistics, you can tell that the data was probably not even normal so I doubt inferences from this sample should be taken too seriously.

The latest experiment on the other hand states that there sample was conducted voluntarily through questionnaires. First of all, since this was a voluntary sample, the results are obviously going to biased. Then the since I haven't seen the questionnaire I also don't know the wording bias involved. In my mind, this was a pretty poorly conducted experiment overall to determine anything significant.

There really isn't anything too groundbreaking or convincing in that link there. Maybe because it is merely a literary review of studies, but I'm not swayed by it.
Posted 3/26/07
I've heard that the level of stress a pregnant woman is under will determine the child's sexual preferences. The more stress a woman is under the more likely the child is to be gay/lesbian due to hormonal imbalances and etc.... I have no idea if this is true or not. This conclusion was drawn from a study of pregnant women who lived through the Holocaust.
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How come you CHOOSE to be straight?

Did you CHOOSE to be straight today?

Did you CHOOSE your race/skin color today?
(I know a god load of you will try your best to CHOOSE to be Japanese)


My opinion is people are born with it. It's not, to me it took common sense to figure out, to others, they need scientific back up.

@ Styfre604 - Come on, not all gay people have anal sex. Lesbians = Gay people. Also there are such things as single-for-life gay men. Your logic scares me. They'd have 'normal sex' if men had a female genital that we all should know that exists, but no matter what it's still gay. Anal sex happens in straight sex too, it's just not talked about as much, but it DOES happen.

@Henz_Ian - I know what I say is kinda life what you say but, the more times said the better? Also I absolutely agree with you. Also I stole you '@' thingy so... I don't have to quote people like mad, Sorry : ). Also I agree that Mushroomjay needs to back up his opinion.

@ Jamehze - I tried reading this, but it made no sense whatsoever. ( I didn't read article, and don't intend to)

@ Xidiya - I heard this too.

@Digs - People marry and REALIZE they are gay/les/bi, but it's not a choice at all. Most of the time they're actually bi, most likely leaning towards the side of the same sex, so they 'think' they're 100% gay/les.
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I agree w/ SeraphAlford. When you're baby or whatever you don't even remember wat happened. ppl aren't born liking anything at all! I mean it's not like babies are born thinking "Hmmmmmm......do i like hotdogs or hamburgers or both?". Think about it. Your preverence is like your opinion, right? It's probably not possible to have all your opinions right when your born. Why should your choice in lovers be any different?

and about dissing gays and lesbies and homos and what not. I think its not right! It's their choice rite? I'm not not saying I'd feel completely comforable surronded by gays and lesbies and homos, but it's not like I hate them either. Especially if their good ppl. l respect their choice, even if I don't agree with it!
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It's not their choice guys. Children are born thinking, just not that well of thinking. It's a small level of thinking, but it's thinking. You think to breath, you think to eat, you think to smile, you think to do all that crap. And you really don't have to think that much to find something you like.
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I'm not sure about the born part... I'll have to wait for more scientific fact before saying that but I know its not a choice. That pretty much is proven already.
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i think its all down to sexual attraction. and sexual attraction is natural instinct and your born with that so...............
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Intresting question. I think that people become homosexuals because of their environments. Suggestions and ideas and so on are symptoms of confused attempts to understand new and blunt sexual desires and are interpreted as defining someone as being one sexuality. Its really is easy to get into a cycle of thinking from accepting a hypothesis about yourself as true rather than as a possible choice like For example: "I am lazy " could be supposed true by someone. When the person who is thinking this lies around in bed in the morning he observes this inaction as evidence of the statement "I am lazy." As he repeatedly chooses to do so the evidence mounts and the idea becomes fixed in his identity. I think its the same with homosexuality you keep thinking you are gay or whatever and then its in your head that you are.
no offence ment lol just saying how am thinking.



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BlooddarkRose, I'm sorry but that really isn't true. I know it's your thoughts, but really it's not even like that. Children at very young ages because of only straight couples being in all child shows etc. etc., they think they're straight. They really don't see anything else, but in the end they really are homosexual, and find it OUT, but not think that way. I mean hell loads and loads of people wouldn't be a homosexual (which are), if your theory was indeed true.
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Posted 5/22/07

stryfe604 wrote:

its a choice, u choose to have anal sex, or munch carpets. your not born like that. your not born straight u choose to be straight. its just an excuse to make themselves fully sure whether they are gay or not


i agree! It's their own choice, but it also influence him/her where he grows up!
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Posted 5/22/07
no one is born anything, sexuality can be determined as early as 6, it has nothing to do with development, surroudings etc... its all about what attracts you and what doesn't
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