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Posted 8/29/08
There is no where in the Koran that states you can beat a woman, your just crazy and racist. I don't think you Christians can handle the fact that there is more Muslims in the world than Christians , and that its the fastest growing religion in the world ... please go QQ some where else.

Just some HISTORICAL FACT for you,

1400 years ago, when woman were being sold, killed, and rented, Islam came and freed them, gave them equal rights (if not more) to men. Guess what were the Christian doing at the same time? The top priests were holding talks to decide to see if women even had a SOUL! This is historic fact. There is hardly any real Christians left, most of you guys are only christian by name, you don't even know what the heck it is, or don't even practice it. I guess that's why Domestic Abuse, murder, rape, kidnapping, adultery is so freaking high in western countries. Yeah I said ADULTERY! Oh wait, you think your a Christian, but you still sleep with any one you can get your hands on ... I got news for you ... YOUR NOT A CHRISTIAN!

So you ignorant Christian wanabees ... please go watch more FOX NEWS .... I think there was a FOX ALERT on right now, they are going to tell you what else in the world you should be afraid of ... Good luck!!!
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Posted 8/29/08

hezakk wrote:

There is no where in the Koran that states you can beat a woman, your just crazy and racist. I don't think you Christians can handle the fact that there is more Muslims in the world than Christians , and that its the fastest growing religion in the world ... please go QQ some where else.

Just some HISTORICAL FACT for you,

1400 years ago, when woman were being sold, killed, and rented, Islam came and freed them, gave them equal rights (if not more) to men. Guess what were the Christian doing at the same time? The top priests were holding talks to decide to see if women even had a SOUL! This is historic fact. There is hardly any real Christians left, most of you guys are only christian by name, you don't even know what the heck it is, or don't even practice it. I guess that's why Domestic Abuse, murder, rape, kidnapping, adultery is so freaking high in western countries. Yeah I said ADULTERY! Oh wait, you think your a Christian, but you still sleep with any one you can get your hands on ... I got news for you ... YOUR NOT A CHRISTIAN!

So you ignorant Christian wanabees ... please go watch more FOX NEWS .... I think there was a FOX ALERT on right now, they are going to tell you what else in the world you should be afraid of ... Good luck!!!


Generalizing Christians is not going to help anyone right now. Or any group for that matter. We'll be the same as the rest of the fundamentalists if we do that.
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music190 wrote:
Then why aren't the woman allowed to pray and bow down to God? Why do they have to cover up their faces and their whole body? You probably aren't treated like crap because you probably live in America and your single. But if you lived in Iraq or any other Muslim place, you wouldn't even be writing this message right now.

Woman have no freedom in Islam. And you know it. Your just to blinded and deceived and refuse to know the truth.


They are.
Faces is not compulsory, it's only practiced by ultra-conservatives.
No, take a visit to the UAE and see for yourself.


No, strongly disagreed. All the women in my family had good education, as well as the freedom to practice any profession(Doctor, engineer, geologist, fashion designing etc.) and have the freedom to say or do whatever they want. Is it fair to generalize all Christians as living the Amish lifestyle?

besides, there are documentaries on atheism,nazism, creationism, fascism, democracy, communism, Islam, christianity, doesn't mean every single one is right. at the end of the day, it's just a guy and his opinions...
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Posted 8/29/08

Poison_Of_The_Heart wrote:

Should the koran, just like "mein Kampf"(a book by hitler), be forbidden?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv6WhJPQYeY


It's Qur'an isn't it?

Also no.

Wait...


Poison_Of_The_Heart wrote:

Should the koran, just like "mein Kampf"(a book by hitler), be forbidden?


Godwin's Law!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law

Thread over.
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music190 wrote:

Then why aren't the woman allowed to pray and bow down to God? Why do they have to cover up their faces and their whole body? You probably aren't treated like crap because you probably live in America and your single. But if you lived in Iraq or any other Muslim place, you wouldn't even be writing this message right now.

Woman have no freedom in Islam. And you know it. Your just to blinded and deceived and refuse to know the truth.



I do pray. And I am engaged, soon marrying. (of my own decision) I currently live in Pakistan, a muslim dominated country (98% of the population is Islamic). WE ARE NOT OBLIGED to cover our faces and whole body, and if some of us do, we do it for humility and prevent the gazes of men on our bodies. They are respectful of them selves.

You are just too ignorant. Islam and Christianity are 2 branches of the same religion.

Please read the Quran thoroughly and understand it before trying to talk about a religion you obviously know nothing about.


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Woman aren't allowed to worship, or wear whatever they want, they have to wear bed sheets over their whole bodies even if it's on a 90 degree day, (which it's normally a black outfit) and only their eyes can show. Children are soled as sex slaves down there to dirty old men. Not even the children have rights. I just saw a documentary about the Koran. And I have also done research on it. If people would just look into Islam, they would realize that it isn't the Religion of peace and love. I really don't know what Church you go to, or what Bible version you read, or what Pastor you sit under, but you really need a reality check.


I did a research on Christianity, and watched a documentary how priests are pedophiles and rape little boys. Is it necessarily true? That's as ignorant as saying that Germans hate Jews. What makes you think that your sources are reliable and all real?

What the fuck areyou talking about? SHEETS OVER THEIR WHOLE BODIES? oh, jesus christ, there is really no reasoning with you.

Sex slavery has nothing to do with Islam. I'm sure you know a man who's muslim and sold children. I know a man who's buddhist and who does it to.

You have to understand that just because a certain Muslim does anything wrong, does not mean a whole population is also like that one person. Stop frickin watching those documentaries that the media focus on to make Islam look like a disaster.


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No, strongly disagreed. All the women in my family had good education, as well as the freedom to practice any profession(Doctor, engineer, geologist, fashion designing etc.) and have the freedom to say or do whatever they want. Is it fair to generalize all Christians as living the Amish lifestyle?


Logic doesn't work on this user. She obviously is an expert in Islam and has a degree in Politics and Religion.
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I do pray. And I am engaged, soon marrying. (of my own decision) I currently live in Pakistan, a muslim dominated country (98% of the population is Islamic). WE ARE NOT OBLIGED to cover our faces and whole body, and if some of us do, we do it for humility and prevent the gazes of men on our bodies. They are respectful of them selves.

You are just too ignorant. Islam and Christianity are 2 branches of the same religion.

Please read the Quran thoroughly and understand it before trying to talk about a religion you obviously know nothing about.

I did a research on Christianity, and watched a documentary how priests are pedophiles and rape little boys. Is it necessarily true? That's as ignorant as saying that Germans hate Jews. What makes you think that your sources are reliable and all real?

What the fuck areyou talking about? SHEETS OVER THEIR WHOLE BODIES? oh, jesus christ, there is really no reasoning with you.

Sex slavery has nothing to do with Islam. I'm sure you know a man who's muslim and sold children. I know a man who's buddhist and who does it to.

You have to understand that just because a certain Muslim does anything wrong, does not mean a whole population is also like that one person. Stop frickin watching those documentaries that the media focus on to make Islam look like a disaster.


Logic doesn't work on this user. She obviously is an expert in Islam and has a degree in Politics and Religion. :rolleyes:


Islam and christianity are more similar to each other than any two other major religions.

My friend saw with his own eyes monks in China offering boys for sex. That's true sex-slavery.

True, never trust the media. Everything is highly biased.


I agree, she seems to more about my religion than me.
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gajahala wrote:
I am engaged, soon marrying. (of my own decision)


Congratulations.


gajahala wrote:
You are just too ignorant. Islam and Christianity are 2 branches of the same religion.


I'm not sure how accurate that is... I know that they are both Abrahamic Religions (along with Judaism) but I don't think that makes them the same religion. I'm no theologian so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.



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I did a research on Christianity, and watched a documentary how priests are pedophiles and rape little boys. Is it necessarily true? That's as ignorant as saying that Germans hate Jews. What makes you think that your sources are reliable and all real?


Some have... that doesn't mean that all do. Saying that "all x are y" is always going to be untrue. Unless it's something like "all women are human beings".


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What the fuck areyou talking about? SHEETS OVER THEIR WHOLE BODIES? oh, jesus christ, there is really no reasoning with you.


Most likely a reference to the Burqa... although it's not really a sheet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burqa

More like a coat actually.


gajahala wrote:
I'm sure you know a man who's muslim and sold children. I know a man who's buddhist and who does it to.


Should you not be telling someone about that? Someone who isn't on the internet? The police for example.

And any Buddhist who did that was certainly acting outside the tennants of his religion (and basic human decency).


gajahala wrote:
Logic doesn't work on this user. She obviously is an expert in Islam and has a degree in Politics and Religion.


You don't need extensive education on a subject to be able to discuss it. You do however need to have common sense and NOT watch Fox News.

Reading this list might also help:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouFailLogicForever
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Posted 8/29/08 , edited 8/29/08
Christianity and Islam are not derived from the same religion. They're Abrahamic religions, which means they identify Abraham as an integral presence in their beliefs/history.

The atheist has spoken. *runs away*

EDIT: Just clarifying.
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Yes, I am sorry for saying that. I know that it's incorrect.

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Posted 8/29/08
If one would truely read the Quran rather then being saturated by the mainstream media filth you would come up with the conclusion that there is absoultly nothing wrong and offensive about it. Music190 stop being an idiot if you think women arent allowed to pray and forced to where what you call bed sheets why dont you ask a muslim woman IRL or ask my own mother she doesnt have to wear so called bed sheets over her head. Her husband never beat her in her life and she prays alongside with us or alone if she is by herself. Why are you getting your bias views from about he religion?

To answer the OP question there is no way possible you can put a ban out on the Quran. Thats pretty much like saying banning the bible do you know how huge of an uproar that would cause? No human has the right to ban a religion regardless of their bias view on it.
Posted 8/29/08
dude, YOUR OWN BIBLE says that even women should cover their hair in Churches, and a woman that doesnt do it, SHAVE OFF HER HAIR! Its in your own bible, and more to my previous point ... all you people who claim to be Christians, probably haven't even read you bible even once .. I live IN USA, I know how it is, people go to 1 church serves each month and that's about it, and then they claim to be Christians ... get real man ... you guys aren't Christians, and you put Christianity to shame ...

There is absolutely nothing wrong with any religion out there. All this crap you hear in the media is purely politically motivated.

I mean, if I wanted to talk crap about a religion, I would say "Hey Christians, why do you hate jews? Why did a CHRISTIAN, Hitler, order to kill Jews, and why did the German Soldier, also Christian, listen to him? OR ... hey Christians, why did you wipe out an entire innocent civilization? The Native Americans .. OR, hey Christians, why did you go to Africa and take the innocent people there as Slave for you own greed ... OR hey Christians, why did you start WW2 and kill 70 MILLION innocent people, OR hey Christians, why did you start the Crusade and destroy everything??? OR ...

See its EASY to do so ... but all the stuff I mentioned has nothing to do with Christianity does it? I mean the people were Christians, but the religion it self doesn't promote hate and greed, right? Same thing with ANY religion ... get real people, this is a world politically motivated, and those people who are greedy will flash religion in front of you to start conflict, because its easier to control people when they are fighting ... OPEN YOUR GOD DAMN EYES!
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Posted 8/29/08

music190 wrote:

Woman aren't allowed to worship, or wear whatever they want, they have to wear bed sheets over their whole bodies even if it's on a 90 degree day, (which it's normally a black outfit) and only their eyes can show. Children are soled as sex slaves down there to dirty old men. Not even the children have rights. I just saw a documentary about the Koran. And I have also done research on it. If people would just look into Islam, they would realize that it isn't the Religion of peace and love. I really don't know what Church you go to, or what Bible version you read, or what Pastor you sit under, but you really need a reality check.


You're describing the burqa, I believe...(I've read The Breadwinner ^_^)
In any case, although the things you describe DO happen (I'm not denying that). But you're only focusing on the negative aspects. These things only happen in countries where there IS no decent government to regulate anything and rights enjoyed in North America do not exist.

I've seen Muslim women on TV (Yay for CNN and Dateline!), and they've inspired me by their devotion to their religion, despite suspicion and all sorts of nasty prejudice. While I think burqas are a bit extreme, the whole point of the headscarf and other Islamic dress is to show respect for your body.

To other posters: I think this thread has some of the most intelligent replies I've seen in a while
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Posted 8/29/08

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music190 wrote:

The Koran is boring. I fell asleep while trying to read it once. Plus it's just a bunch of commands. Like how to treat your woman like shit.


No...and the Koran is far from the insipid and racist crap that is Mein Kamph. It doesn't tell you to treat women like "shit" either. Idiots just interpret it that way, and the Islamic authorities do nothing to stop it, because they don't care and think women are worth shit too.

Most holy books are basically commands anyway, even the Bible.

EDIT: I am Christian. I just don't support religion bashing, unless you're bashing Satanism or something.


thanks for this explanation^^
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Posted 8/29/08
Please be rationnal,have some logic!!!
why do u compare a holy book for a religion that millions of people belive in,for 2 milliard Koran is not just words ,it's a way of life,it gives a relief just by reading it & really thinking of what it means!!!
What would be Christians reaction if someone said that bible should be forbbiden???
please have respect & try to inform urself more before saying whatever!!
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