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Is there really such a thing as good or bad?
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Hey everyone,
I believe "good" and "bad" is a term used to describe our beliefs.' Work is good. Sex is bad." are all learned in our society. But, who made up these rules? And since when do we have to follow them? Why must we always follow other peoples thoughts and orders, and not our own. I do believe in god, however, i think he or she wants us to make our own desicions, live our own life, and do our own thing.. no matter how ugly and disgusting the choice might be. Making them good or bad is just how we look at it. "Situations arise, but it matters what you make of them that give them meaning" I strongly believe in that. In reality, there is no good or bad. There's only what we BELIEVE.
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Well, 'good' and 'bad' depends on what moral system you are referring to. And which god are you referring to?
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Yes, there is. No discussion needed.
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Posted 8/28/08

sorenku wrote:

Yes, there is. No discussion needed.


Declarative statements =/= fact
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leviathan343 wrote:


sorenku wrote:

Yes, there is. No discussion needed.


Declarative statements =/= fact


Fact = Fact
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sorenku wrote:

Fact = Fact


Statements without evidence =/= fact
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leviathan343 wrote:


sorenku wrote:

Fact = Fact


Statements without evidence =/= fact


I don't know whether or not you're being a retard or you seriously don't believe good and bad exists.

A few reasons why Good and Bad exists:
1) Every human being deems certain actions, thoughts, etc. as good or bad. No human sees nothing as good or bad.
2) Laws tell us what is good and what is bad. It doesn't matter if the laws are different in other countries, they prove that good and bad exists.
3) If you are religious, your religion has rules. They determine what is good and what is bad.
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animallover2929 wrote:

In reality, there is no good or bad. There's only what we BELIEVE.


That would mean that your god doesn't exist either, since it's just a belief. I'm not trying to get into a whole disproving god discussion (I don't have any interest in disproving him, unlike many other atheists), but based on that statement, you must not think your own god is real. Believing in something but acknowledging that it isn't real doesn't really make sense.

Of course good and bad exist, but everyone has their own perception of what they actually are.
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good and bad do exist in a way because each of us define what good and bad are, but in that way they really only exist in our minds.
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um not everyone follows that..............most people do what they want to do. If they want to kill someone they do it, if they don't want to work they don't.... Also you have to have a set guidelines on some things because without that there would be no order. Because then one could argue oh manslaughter is a good idea because if there are no set rules for it then people would run while throughout the world doing whatever they wanted (robbery, killing r*pe, etc) It would be a step backwards for societies to get rid of the general perceptions of good and bad
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good n bad is subjective like all values.
eg

i like cigarettes and i enjoy smoking whilst staring into space, my friend on the other hand despises smoking and thinks im lazy.

i like rock music, my friend hates rock music.

in the 1st example cigarettes are seen by two diffrent people who value them diffrently, both opinions of the cigarettes are entirely subjective and in reality the cigarettes are neither good or bad.

values including importance, worth, beauty ect. are all purely opinion, that is why people may have diffrent value sets without them having to be wrong if they differ from some one elses.
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sorenku wrote:

I don't know whether or not you're being a retard or you seriously don't believe good and bad exists.

A few reasons why Good and Bad exists:
1) Every human being deems certain actions, thoughts, etc. as good or bad. No human sees nothing as good or bad.
2) Laws tell us what is good and what is bad. It doesn't matter if the laws are different in other countries, they prove that good and bad exists.
3) If you are religious, your religion has rules. They determine what is good and what is bad.


1.You've failed to distinguish whether your morality is objective or subjective. And there are hundreds of different ways that humans view right and wrong. Are all of these viable interpretations?
2. Laws encourage/discourage certain actions, policies, and mindsets. They don't set what is right and wrong to the individual, but what right and wrong is to the community. Of course, this depends on whether you think both are the same thing.
3. If two religions have opposing viewpoints on one topic, how do you determine objectively which one is correct?

I'm waiting for an actual response.


simo2332 wrote:

good n bad is subjective like all values.
eg

i like cigarettes and i enjoy smoking whilst staring into space, my friend on the other hand despises smoking and thinks im lazy.

i like rock music, my friend hates rock music.

in the 1st example cigarettes are seen by two diffrent people who value them diffrently, both opinions of the cigarettes are entirely subjective and in reality the cigarettes are neither good or bad.

values including importance, worth, beauty ect. are all purely opinion, that is why people may have diffrent value sets without them having to be wrong if they differ from some one elses.


It's hard to give existential objects moral value.

So are you saying that one cannot apply value theory to value theories themselves?

BTW, I do agree with you.
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i believe there is no such things as a set good or bad, these terms depend on a multitude of factors, what seems to be good to some people might be bad to other people, also good or bad depend very much on the society that people, who wish to define them, belong to. Par example , i believe it was the mayans that believe human sacrifice was acceptable(if i'm wrong i apologize) therefore it wasn't a bad thing, also some tribes consumed human flesh, while it is a bad thing for us, to them it was just another way of filling their stomach therefore not bad. My opinion is that good or bad don't exist.
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i have a conscience... sue me
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SylverDeimos wrote:

i believe there is no such things as a set good or bad, these terms depend on a multitude of factors, what seems to be good to some people might be bad to other people, also good or bad depend very much on the society that people, who wish to define them, belong to. Par example , i believe it was the mayans that believe human sacrifice was acceptable(if i'm wrong i apologize) therefore it wasn't a bad thing, also some tribes consumed human flesh, while it is a bad thing for us, to them it was just another way of filling their stomach therefore not bad. My opinion is that good or bad don't exist.


The Mayans believed the world would perish if the sun did not receive blood as nourishment.

I know tribes that consume the flesh of their enemies to acquire their abilities and the flesh of their dead as an honorable end and to preserve their presence within the community. I don't know any peoples who ate human flesh just because they were hungry.

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