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Is there really such a thing as good or bad?
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sorenku wrote:

I don't know whether or not you're being a retard or you seriously don't believe good and bad exists.

A few reasons why Good and Bad exists:
1) Every human being deems certain actions, thoughts, etc. as good or bad. No human sees nothing as good or bad.
2) Laws tell us what is good and what is bad. It doesn't matter if the laws are different in other countries, they prove that good and bad exists.
3) If you are religious, your religion has rules. They determine what is good and what is bad.


1.You've failed to distinguish whether your morality is objective or subjective. And there are hundreds of different ways that humans view right and wrong. Are all of these viable interpretations?
2. Laws encourage/discourage certain actions, policies, and mindsets. They don't set what is right and wrong to the individual, but what right and wrong is to the community. Of course, this depends on whether you think both are the same thing.
3. If two religions have opposing viewpoints on one topic, how do you determine objectively which one is correct?

I'm waiting for an actual response.


simo2332 wrote:

good n bad is subjective like all values.
eg

i like cigarettes and i enjoy smoking whilst staring into space, my friend on the other hand despises smoking and thinks im lazy.

i like rock music, my friend hates rock music.

in the 1st example cigarettes are seen by two diffrent people who value them diffrently, both opinions of the cigarettes are entirely subjective and in reality the cigarettes are neither good or bad.

values including importance, worth, beauty ect. are all purely opinion, that is why people may have diffrent value sets without them having to be wrong if they differ from some one elses.


It's hard to give existential objects moral value.

So are you saying that one cannot apply value theory to value theories themselves?

BTW, I do agree with you.


i was more just trying to explain the subjectivety of value/s, and i think you can place values on anything you desire, but find it useful to know that these values are just subjective. there would probably be alot less arguments if more people were enlightened about subjective lol.
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i have a conscience... sue me



lolz noones gonna sue you for being moral, i hope.
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simo2332 wrote:


h4x0rz wrote:

i have a conscience... sue me



lolz noones gonna sue you for being moral, i hope.


too many threads are starting to question morality lol, if this trend continues, murder will be legalized in another few decades
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i believe there is no such things as a set good or bad, these terms depend on a multitude of factors, what seems to be good to some people might be bad to other people, also good or bad depend very much on the society that people, who wish to define them, belong to. Par example , i believe it was the mayans that believe human sacrifice was acceptable(if i'm wrong i apologize) therefore it wasn't a bad thing, also some tribes consumed human flesh, while it is a bad thing for us, to them it was just another way of filling their stomach therefore not bad. My opinion is that good or bad don't exist.


The Mayans believed the world would perish if the sun did not receive blood as nourishment.

I know tribes that consume the flesh of their enemies to acquire their abilities and the flesh of their dead as an honorable end and to preserve their presence within the community. I don't know any peoples who ate human flesh just because they were hungry.


well, in either case, what they did was not thought as something bad, as we think it is now, therefore my point is proven.

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h4x0rz wrote:


simo2332 wrote:


h4x0rz wrote:

i have a conscience... sue me



lolz noones gonna sue you for being moral, i hope.


too many threads are starting to question morality lol, if this trend continues, murder will be legalized in another few decades


when its legalized... i il have a knife party to celebrate...
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Posted 8/29/08 , edited 8/29/08

SylverDeimos wrote:
well, in either case, what they did was not thought as something bad, as we think it is now, therefore my point is proven.



I guess. I don't know if the Mayans thought what they were doing was right or wrong; they only thought it was necessary for the world's survival.
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simo2332 wrote:


h4x0rz wrote:


simo2332 wrote:


h4x0rz wrote:

i have a conscience... sue me



lolz noones gonna sue you for being moral, i hope.


too many threads are starting to question morality lol, if this trend continues, murder will be legalized in another few decades


when its legalized... i il have a knife party to celebrate...


make sure the guests have plastic cutlery then. You don't want them to draw first blood.
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h4x0rz wrote:


simo2332 wrote:


h4x0rz wrote:


simo2332 wrote:


h4x0rz wrote:

i have a conscience... sue me



lolz noones gonna sue you for being moral, i hope.


too many threads are starting to question morality lol, if this trend continues, murder will be legalized in another few decades


when its legalized... i il have a knife party to celebrate...


make sure the guests have plastic cutlery then. You don't want them to draw first blood.



ehh they can play with fluffy cleaning utensils and pillows... maybe sponges
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leviathan343 wrote:

1.You've failed to distinguish whether your morality is objective or subjective. And there are hundreds of different ways that humans view right and wrong. Are all of these viable interpretations?
2. Laws encourage/discourage certain actions, policies, and mindsets. They don't set what is right and wrong to the individual, but what right and wrong is to the community. Of course, this depends on whether you think both are the same thing.
3. If two religions have opposing viewpoints on one topic, how do you determine objectively which one is correct?

I'm waiting for an actual response.



Lol, so do you agree that good and bad exists? If so, then we have nothing to argue about. If not, prove it.
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leviathan343 wrote:

1.You've failed to distinguish whether your morality is objective or subjective. And there are hundreds of different ways that humans view right and wrong. Are all of these viable interpretations?
2. Laws encourage/discourage certain actions, policies, and mindsets. They don't set what is right and wrong to the individual, but what right and wrong is to the community. Of course, this depends on whether you think both are the same thing.
3. If two religions have opposing viewpoints on one topic, how do you determine objectively which one is correct?

I'm waiting for an actual response.



Lol, so do you agree that good and bad exists? If so, then we have nothing to argue about. If not, prove it.


I would say that my sense of right and wrong is completely subjective.

It's impossible to prove the non-existence of anything. You can't prove that there is no omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent deity called God. I can only say there is no evidence for such a being.
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Yes.

If something causes harm it is bad. If it doesn't it isn't.


animallover2929 wrote:

' Work is good. Sex is bad."


Noooo... Sex is good. I checked.
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Tyrfing wrote:

Yes.

If something causes harm it is bad. If it doesn't it isn't.


animallover2929 wrote:

' Work is good. Sex is bad."


Noooo... Sex is good. I checked.


Do you judge right and wrong based on pain/pleasure?

Sex is bad when you're drunk/infected with STDs/finding out your partner is not who you imagined it would be/dealing with shrinkage/dealing with a smaller member than most.
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leviathan343 wrote:
Do you judge right and wrong based on pain/pleasure?

Sex is bad when you're drunk/infected with STDs/finding out your partner is not who you imagined it would be/dealing with shrinkage/dealing with a smaller member than most.


No I judge good and bad based on harm.

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-132532/The-HartDevlin-debate.html?fpid=8231562
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Posted 8/29/08

leviathan343 wrote:


sorenku wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:

1.You've failed to distinguish whether your morality is objective or subjective. And there are hundreds of different ways that humans view right and wrong. Are all of these viable interpretations?
2. Laws encourage/discourage certain actions, policies, and mindsets. They don't set what is right and wrong to the individual, but what right and wrong is to the community. Of course, this depends on whether you think both are the same thing.
3. If two religions have opposing viewpoints on one topic, how do you determine objectively which one is correct?

I'm waiting for an actual response.



Lol, so do you agree that good and bad exists? If so, then we have nothing to argue about. If not, prove it.


I would say that my sense of right and wrong is completely subjective.

It's impossible to prove the non-existence of anything. You can't prove that there is no omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent deity called God. I can only say there is no evidence for such a being.


... I'll take that as a yes.
Posted 8/29/08
umm it depends of the point of view
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