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De La Hoya and Pacquiao
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Posted 8/29/08 , edited 12/7/08
This is a thread on the sched boxing fight of De La Hoya and Pacquiao so issues and concerns on it can be discussed and posted here.




Dec 6, '08

The two sides had been holding off over the purse split (De La Hoya wanted 70-30, Pacquiao wanted 40), but it looks as if they have reached an agreement.

The fight weight will be at 147 lbs, and an official announcement will come on 2 p.m. ET on Thursday (August 28), with the fight expected to take place at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

Although Oscar De La Hoya absolutely would not fight an opponent (e.g. Antonio Margarito) who has a clear shot at kicking his ass, at least he will be fighting the best of the best of the smaller guys - a guy who happens to be one of boxing's biggest draws.


I read this

"Does Manny have a chance against Oscar?"

"He shouldn't, but he does."

It was a brilliant answer because it's so true. Usually, a good big man beats a good little man. There have been some exceptions, but that rule has generally held true for more than 100 years of boxing. It basically means that with all things equal -- talent, desire, conditioning -- the larger fighter will beat the smaller fighter. Pacquiao has far too much weight to make up in this fight. On paper, he should lose.

But here's the catch. Will all things be equal? Will Manny have the edge when it comes to conditioning and desire? In the opinion of this corner, De La Hoya's major flaw is his inability to close the show.

There was a time when Oscar was among the best at finishing off an opponent. He still is. But there is a major difference between finishing off a wounded fighter and maintaining your skill and energy level long enough to win a close decision.

Oscar was ahead against Felix Trinidad, Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Sugar Shane Mosley. He lost each of those fights. Now, it can be argued that he was the victim of shoddy judging against Trinidad and Mosley, but the reality is, Oscar has not won a meanigful fight since Fernarndo Vargas (2002) and before that, Ike Quartey (1999).

De La Hoya deserves credit for carrying the sport of boxing through one of its darkest periods. He also deserves credit fight fighting the biggest names of his generation. But if he wakes up a loser on Dec. 7, we will have to start wondering if he is worthy of hall-of-fame consideration.

yes?, a loss to Oscar would drop Manny from the top spot.

But does Manny deserve to be there to begin with?


Just remember that his biggest wins have come against faded superstars Erik Morales and Marco Antonio Barrera. In the opinion of this corner, Manny is there by default, a fighter to fill the void when Floyd Mayweather Jr. retired.

A quick glimpse at The Ring magazine's pound-for-pound ratings has Manny first, Juan Manuel Marquez second, Joe Calzaghe third and Bernard Hopkins fourth. Fair enough. But the question remains, is Manny there for lack of a better idea?

Here's a note regarding the Oscar De La Hoya hall-of-fame post. Don in Yuma left an interesting, spirited response to the question, Can Manny knock Oscar out of the hall of fame. Don compared Oscar losing to Manny like Sugar Ray Robinson and Jou Louis losing late in their career. To Don's point, Oscar losing to Manny is like Joe Louis losing to a middleweight or Sugar Ray Robinson losing to a lightweight.

And no, even if Louis had lost to a middleweight in his final fight and Robinson lost to a lightweight in his final fight, it would not preclude them from the hall of fame. But Don, can you really compare the career of Oscar to that of Louis or Robinson. Name the hall-of-famers that Oscar has defeated? A faded Pernell Whitaker? A shot Julio Cesar Chavez?




Here is the Top 10 athletes from the 50’s top earning American Athletes

Tiger Woods (Golf) $111,941,827 Salary/winnings $ 11,941,827 Endorsement $ 100,000,000

Oscar de la Hoya (Boxing) $ 55,000,000 Salary /winnings $53,000.000 Endorsement $ 2,000,00

Phil Michelson (golf) $ 51,256,505 Salary/winnings $ 4,256,505 Endorsement $ 47,000,00

Shaquille O’Neal (Basketball) $35,000,000 Salary/winnings $20,000,000 Endorsement $15,000,000

Kobe Bryant (Basketball) $33,718,750 Salary/winnings $ 17,718,750 Endorsement $ 16,000,000

Le Bron James (Basketball) $ 30,828,089 Salary/winnings $ 5,828,089 Endorsement $ 25,000,000

Kevin Garnett (Basketball) $ 29,000,000 Salary/winnings $ 21,000,000 Endorsement $ 8,000,000

Derek Jeter (baseball) $ 29,000,000 Salary/winnings $ 22,000,000 Endorsement $ 7,000,000

Alex Rodriguez (Baseball) $ 28,000,000 Salary/winnings $ 22,000,000 Endorsement $ 6,000,000

Dale Earnhardt Jr. (auto Racing)$ 27,111,735 Salary/winnings $ 7,111,735 Endorsement $ 20,000,000
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Posted 8/29/08
Oscar De La Hoya be safe =]
Steve Austin roxxsss!!!!
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Posted 8/29/08
^LOL.

Even though I'm Filipino, I want to vote for De La Hoya. Pacquiao needs to lose this time, since his airhead is getting too big, it hurts.
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Posted 8/29/08
I just want to see the fight itself. Besides, you can't really blame Pacquiao. He's considered a national treasure, and being one is very annoying if everyone just wants to shake your hand or see you. He trains in the US for good reason.
Posted 8/29/08
De la Hoya !!! he's darn cute !! lol..
haha..but i want Pacquiao to win because he's our very own !!
who said, that his head is getting big?
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Posted 8/29/08 , edited 8/29/08

demonicshii-chan30 wrote:

De la Hoya !!! he's darn cute !! lol..
haha..but i want Pacquiao to win because he's our very own !!
who said, that his head is getting big?


I did.
If you notice, he's being a jerk over show business and being a complete attention whore by politics.
Sure, he's doing the right thing, and I don't have anything against that, but I want him to lose this time.
It's not that I don't like Pacquiao or anything, but I want to see how the Philippines would suffer in a way that they support Pacquiao and will only lead to a huge downfall. Which means that I want De La Hoya's revenge and see things clear for myself.
Selfish enough... but meh, it's exciting.
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Posted 8/29/08 , edited 8/29/08
The roads in the Philippines are always packed with traffic Jams. Cars can be stuck at one place for 20 mins. or more.

But somehow whenever there's a boxing match between Pacquiao and whoever he's up agaist airing on TV, people can just walk across the streets as much as they want without worrying about getting hit by a car.

Everyone's at home watching TV.
Posted 8/29/08
hmm about pacquiao. I heard something like he ran for a political position or something?
well i dunno. i have no interest in boxing anyway.
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Posted 8/29/08
^wtf?

well yeah, pacquiao is an all around guy.
he even tried to be a singer, and he sucked real bad.
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it's dela hoya's last fight..i hope pacquiao won't gonna win coz d GMA {worst network ever} will just gonna brag and brag..like wtfurk.........and de la hoya has a cute face......lol
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Filipino cable networks make a killing by raising the rates of PPV events like Pacquaio's matches sky high, to cater to the homesick OFW crowd. It happens a lot in Dubai and I bet it'll happen again
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Posted 8/30/08
dude. i'm not filipino but i'm so rooting for pac-man.

the f is up with DLH fighting a guy 2-3 weight classes below him?? i was rooting for oscar when he fight mayweather. But he's just being a friggin sore loser by doing this.

Even if he wins the fight. The f is that gonna prove to him?? honestly he needs to stop participating in a ridiculous boxing match and instead just learn how to be content to just sit at home, count his money, put on his silk robe and his fluffy slipper and just chill. Hell that's what i'm gonna do if i was oscar.
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Posted 8/30/08

h4x0rz wrote:

Filipino cable networks make a killing by raising the rates of PPV events like Pacquaio's matches sky high, to cater to the homesick OFW crowd. It happens a lot in Dubai and I bet it'll happen again


LOL I agree with you
it also happens in U.S
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Posted 8/30/08
Manny "Pacman" Paquiao must win this time!
because he is the pride of the Philippines
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Posted 8/30/08 , edited 12/6/08

OTAKUADDICT wrote:

Manny "Pacman" Paquiao must win this time!
because he is the pride of the Philippines


Maybe the last fight as he sounds desperate ? Fund raising event........ friendly fight thu... so both of them are fund raising freak?

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