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When will the be unlicensed???
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grrr. why the hell do companies like them wants to have ownership to things they don't even have a tiny bits of interest ??? money is the devil that controls them and makes us poor (literally) otakus suffer because money make companies buy our entertainment away oppression to devil companies !!!
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-Athrine- wrote:


vinniesama wrote:


-Athrine- wrote:


vinniesama wrote:

STOP IT! Stop the whining!

Animes will NEVER be unlicensed unless there's a damn good reason, or the company goes bankrupt, like Geneon... ¬_¬


this part is were your wrong anime do get unlicense its not like once a company license it will last forever there are actually alot of anime that got unlicensed most people just don't know them cause there kinda old ones.


>_> I do know that. I come from a Sailor Moon forum, and most of the people on there tried to support the DVD releases until the license expired in say... 2006?


how nice you already know but still you wrote in your 1st post it will never get unlicensed your just contradicting yourself.


Goodness sake, people, is it National Be in a Bad Mood day?

Oh, I forgot... school's starting for most, people, right? :P

And I'm not really contradicting myself... moreso adding in a correction...
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Posted 8/31/08
wat animse HAVE been unlincensed?? o_O;;
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Posted 8/31/08

sypris wrote:


Sleepneeded127 wrote:

every one seems to forget that ALL ANIME IS PROTECTED BY INTERNATIONAL COPYRIGHT LAWS
that means if it is not licensed in the US, UK or any where else it is still illegal it distribute it with out the permission of the Owners.
thus all fan subs are illegal as well


Actually its a bit more complicated than that. Japan copyright laws and american copyright laws are completely separate. Now japan cant do shit if an american fansub service subbed their series but if an american company copyrights it here after buying the rights from japan then they can get into trouble. But here is the thing even if both japan and america have it copyrighted it doesnt mean its also copyrighted in lets say Philippines. They can still watch it, sub it, etc for free without getting in trouble.


Not entirely true. Yes, JP and US copyright laws are completely separate, but these two countries are also the signatory of a number of UN and other Trade Conventions that state that each country has to respect the other's copyrights (Berne convention), and also allows them to take action in signatory states (TRIPS).
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Posted 8/31/08 , edited 8/31/08

GintokiSakata wrote:

A licensing expires in various times, some can be for a long time, and others can be for a short while. The licensing itself depends on the company, and how long they'd hold their right for.


Long story short: No. US companies have usually already paid good money to the Japanese production company to license the anime.

What you're essentially asking for is that the American company stop what they're doing, demand their license fee back from the Japanese, tell them that they won't be marketing and distributing their product in America any more, and that their mom is ugly. Okay, maybe not the last part, but you get the idea. This is considered Breach of Contract, and potentially can end up in a Court case in which the Court will basically side with the Japanese production company. Legally, unless there's a perfectly good legal reason to withdraw from a contract, the courts will usually look badly on a contract breaker.

So, no. The other alternative is to wait for the license to expire. But since it's uncertain how long companies license animes for, this is probably not a good idea. Worst case scenario is that you might have kids first.

This is in no way a definitive answer for the subject: a forum member pointed out to me that the fate of the recently deceased Geneon USA made it possible for all the animes under them to "not have a licensor anymore", in effect, "unlicensing" them. Some of their animes were licensed under different companies following this incident, but technically, for the record, unlicensing can happen due to a company collapsing.

- http://wiki.crunchyroll.com/licensing


Dude, that was fast. I thought _I_ was the licensing troll around here.

And off the record, I think someone mentioned it here earlier - licensing does vary between contracts, some is for a set term, some is for a specific number of episodes, and some is for a certain number of DVDs (although those other forms are pretty rare).

Licensing does not last for 50 years, Copyright does.

And lastly, the general consensus is that most companies seem to license for anywhere from 2-10 years. It's rare for a company to license any farther than that. That's why older print stuff becomes expensive, too (because after the license expires they don't have the right to reprint the DVDs). I tried buying Cardcaptor Sakura and it was out of print... on eBay someone was selling the dual audio for like 300 dollars...
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