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The Power of Prayer
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As an atheist I always thought that prayer was stupid and ridiculous. I mean, if your child has an asthma attack you can pray and hope for the best, or you can bring them to the doctor for treatment. The latter option is considerably more tangible. The former doesn’t even have a scientific basis…or does it?

I recently read in my text book for one of my college classes here at EOSC that prayer has been scientifically/statistically proven to be effective.


Research also reveals that prayers likewise has powerful positive effects. In a double-blind experiment in San Francisco in which some heart patients were prayed for but others were not, patients for whom no one was praying were five times more likely to require antibiotics, three times more likely to develop pulmonary edema, and TWELVE times more likely to require a mechanical ventilator.


The first idea that comes to mind is that this is just a coincidence. However, the experiment has and can be repeated with the same results every time.

Well, I just thought that people here might be interested in discussing this topic. I certainly found it interesting.

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placebo effect?
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Somebody move this to Extended Discussion before trolls and retards invade...
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exactly how do you pray o.o?
im aiming for the printer to come alive and give me oral
The Hamster has invaded.
Posted 9/4/08
interesting ... although i am still skeptical
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exactly how do you pray o.o?
im aiming for the printer to come alive and give me oral
The Hamster has invaded.


why not the hoover ?
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KinkyHamster wrote:

exactly how do you pray o.o?
im aiming for the printer to come alive and give me oral
The Hamster has invaded.


why not the hoover ?

the hoover is too small
:3

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did they know that people were praying for them? How big of a study was it?
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As an atheist I always thought that prayer was stupid and ridiculous. I mean, if your child has an asthma attack you can pray and hope for the best, or you can bring them to the doctor for treatment. The latter option is considerably more tangible. The former doesn’t even have a scientific basis…or does it?

I recently read in my text book for one of my college classes here at EOSC that prayer has been scientifically/statistically proven to be effective.


Research also reveals that prayers likewise has powerful positive effects. In a double-blind experiment in San Francisco in which some heart patients were prayed for but others were not, patients for whom no one was praying were five times more likely to require antibiotics, three times more likely to develop pulmonary edema, and TWELVE times more likely to require a mechanical ventilator.


The first idea that comes to mind is that this is just a coincidence. However, the experiment has and can be repeated with the same results every time.

Well, I just thought that people here might be interested in discussing this topic. I certainly found it interesting.



Because God and powerful Spirits in the world and Prayers ask them or thank them for helping.
We are also part Spirits and able to access those beings.
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did they know that people were praying for them? How big of a study was it?


i have the same questions.
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i am evangelic and very religious even if i dont look like it
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As an atheist I always thought that prayer was stupid and ridiculous. I mean, if your child has an asthma attack you can pray and hope for the best, or you can bring them to the doctor for treatment. The latter option is considerably more tangible. The former doesn’t even have a scientific basis…or does it?

I recently read in my text book for one of my college classes here at EOSC that prayer has been scientifically/statistically proven to be effective.


Research also reveals that prayers likewise has powerful positive effects. In a double-blind experiment in San Francisco in which some heart patients were prayed for but others were not, patients for whom no one was praying were five times more likely to require antibiotics, three times more likely to develop pulmonary edema, and TWELVE times more likely to require a mechanical ventilator.


The first idea that comes to mind is that this is just a coincidence. However, the experiment has and can be repeated with the same results every time.

Well, I just thought that people here might be interested in discussing this topic. I certainly found it interesting.



Praying doesn't have any curative properties. Its like a placebo effect. It mainly relaxes you and takes away your stress. It has no real medical properties. Its like exercising to improve longevity and prevent muscle atrophy. Or aromatherapy to stimulate your senses and relax your state of mind. People with stress in surgery or whatnot do develop complications. So it is better to relax. Don't buy into that God nonsense people.
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artgeek707 wrote:

did they know that people were praying for them? How big of a study was it?


I don’t recall the specific numbers. Suffice to say the study was very large, you can probably look up more information on Google using the info I provided. Just type in “Prayer, Heart Patients, San Francisco” and see what pops up.

The document didn’t say rather or not they knew the people they were praying for. However, given that it was a “Double-Blind,” you can probably figure that out on your own.


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SeraphAlford wrote:

As an atheist I always thought that prayer was stupid and ridiculous. I mean, if your child has an asthma attack you can pray and hope for the best, or you can bring them to the doctor for treatment. The latter option is considerably more tangible. The former doesn’t even have a scientific basis…or does it?

I recently read in my text book for one of my college classes here at EOSC that prayer has been scientifically/statistically proven to be effective.


Research also reveals that prayers likewise has powerful positive effects. In a double-blind experiment in San Francisco in which some heart patients were prayed for but others were not, patients for whom no one was praying were five times more likely to require antibiotics, three times more likely to develop pulmonary edema, and TWELVE times more likely to require a mechanical ventilator.


The first idea that comes to mind is that this is just a coincidence. However, the experiment has and can be repeated with the same results every time.

Well, I just thought that people here might be interested in discussing this topic. I certainly found it interesting.



Praying doesn't have any curative properties. Its like a placebo effect. It mainly relaxes you and takes away your stress. It has no real medical properties. Its like exercising to improve longevity and prevent muscle atrophy. Or aromatherapy to stimulate your senses and relax your state of mind. People with stress in surgery or whatnot do develop complications. So it is better to relax. Don't buy into that God nonsense people.


Once again, it was a double blind experiment. P.S: Great username.


drunk_ghost wrote:

interesting ... although i am still skeptical


Oh, yeah-this is hardly proof of anything. It's interesting though. Kind of like how they found out that the measurements given for Noah's ark could really make a boat that really would float. Or how we've discovered that the Red Sea really did part, or how Islam describes time as relative, or how that professor used that mathematical formula to prove that there’s a 97% chance that Jesus Christ came back from the dead.

I just find it intriguing and thought provoking. I'm more mystical than anything, so I don't really think arguing religion with logic is really effective. You -can't- prove anything.


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Because God and powerful Spirits in the world and Prayers ask them or thank them for helping.
We are also part Spirits and able to access those beings.


Actually, I was thinking that this study showed that people have more power over other people things than we think. Kind of like how you read old legends about ninja’s who can “paralyze” people with a single glance, or like how that Buddhist Monk changed the PH level of a pool by focusing, or how you hear stories about poltergeists or psychics.

I’m certainly not saying there is no God or spirits, but I am saying that this study doesn’t really support such a sweeping conclusion.
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I can say one word, no more, PRAISE!
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angelseraphim wrote:


SeraphAlford wrote:

As an atheist I always thought that prayer was stupid and ridiculous. I mean, if your child has an asthma attack you can pray and hope for the best, or you can bring them to the doctor for treatment. The latter option is considerably more tangible. The former doesn’t even have a scientific basis…or does it?

I recently read in my text book for one of my college classes here at EOSC that prayer has been scientifically/statistically proven to be effective.


Research also reveals that prayers likewise has powerful positive effects. In a double-blind experiment in San Francisco in which some heart patients were prayed for but others were not, patients for whom no one was praying were five times more likely to require antibiotics, three times more likely to develop pulmonary edema, and TWELVE times more likely to require a mechanical ventilator.


The first idea that comes to mind is that this is just a coincidence. However, the experiment has and can be repeated with the same results every time.

Well, I just thought that people here might be interested in discussing this topic. I certainly found it interesting.



Praying doesn't have any curative properties. Its like a placebo effect. It mainly relaxes you and takes away your stress. It has no real medical properties. Its like exercising to improve longevity and prevent muscle atrophy. Or aromatherapy to stimulate your senses and relax your state of mind. People with stress in surgery or whatnot do develop complications. So it is better to relax. Don't buy into that God nonsense people.


Again, it was a double blind experiment...


Well our genetic structures are not the same. Some people have higher adaptability to certain conditions and different rates of recovery. Some people have weak immune systems and suffer from the common cold for longer periods. Some people recover in less then 3 days. You know those X-men movies. Lets just say some of us have inherited the X-gene and some of us have dormant X-genes. Similar concept. Its all random, natural selection.
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