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Are they two sects of the same religion?
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fenderhawk wrote:

I don't think that Islam and Christianity are exactly "the same religion".

I mean, for one thing, extremist Muslims and extremist Christians basically hate eachother. Not that that means much to the subject, but the two don't even have a relative history together.
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i gotta agree with that.im a muslim but i dont hate other religions.
and please do not misunderstand those qoutes comparing christianity and islam.
and i think we shudnt compare them..
and about a muslim having good thoughts about a jew,well thats not wrong at all!
yes,the jews were thought low in the qur'an,but its cause back then,the jews were really bad to the muslims.
who says a jew cant be a good person in a muslim's point of view?
only an extremist wud think so.
i know as a muslim,we're good to people who's good with us,regardless of race or religion.
im living in spore,i know.


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omg, The Bible is full of Story's made up by normal person's, nothing holy about that.

Muslims means someone who submits, Adam was an submitter, just like Jesus, so that make's them muslim. Christianity is polytheistic, just go and watch an catholic church, then you know enough, praying to idol's, praying to pictures of Jesus, (in the black church they prey to an black Jesus) OMG


Please do not say that Christianity is polytheistic. If you read the Bible a bit more thoroughly, you'll see that God is one, (Deuteronomy 6:4).

However, I do agree with you that Catholics do pray to idols, ask a priest for forgiveness, even going to the point of calling a priest "Father". To be honest, Catholicism has strayed away from Christian beliefs for a long time. At this point, I can't consider Catholicism a denomination of Christianity. Of course, there are many Catholics that follow Christian beliefs.
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iliass wrote:

omg, The Bible is full of Story's made up by normal person's, nothing holy about that.

Muslims means someone who submits, Adam was an submitter, just like Jesus, so that make's them muslim. Christianity is polytheistic, just go and watch an catholic church, then you know enough, praying to idol's, praying to pictures of Jesus, (in the black church they prey to an black Jesus) OMG


Please do not say that Christianity is polytheistic. If you read the Bible a bit more thoroughly, you'll see that God is one, (Deuteronomy 6:4).

However, I do agree with you that Catholics do pray to idols, ask a priest for forgiveness, even going to the point of calling a priest "Father". To be honest, Catholicism has strayed away from Christian beliefs for a long time. At this point, I can't consider Catholicism a denomination of Christianity. Of course, there are many Catholics that follow Christian beliefs.


Perhaps...but i can't really say Christianity is considerably better

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hmm i guess so
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Ops, I got tired of reading.....first line only,
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Who knows. But the bible and quran are written by man ''inspired'' by the person up there. After many years there are bound to have same changes here and there...


Yes, note that written is different from created.
Quran is written back by Muhammad's followers because he couldn't write well. So, your statement is right. The God create the Quran and Muhammad's followers wrote it back.
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Ok I promised I would respond to Seraph Alford promptly. Seraph you are intelligent but I fear you are getting your information about the Quran and Islam in the wrong places. This is a prime example of how the media wants you to think about the religion.



Are they two sects of the same religion?
Above the --- is an introduction, if you already know how my threads work you most likely don’t need to read that, but you may like to. The quotes of the Qur’an may be out of context. I’ve never read the whole thing.)


You are very correct. The quotes you posted are very much out of context and are actually misquotes, distortions and even represent words not found anywhere in the Qur’an.


Okay, I’m a Christian, but let us face it- Christians and Muslims have -both- throughout history earned the world’s hate.


No, Muslims have not earned the world’s hate anywhere except in places where Islam has been demonized by propaganda and misrepresentation. Everywhere else where Islam had a real presence throughout history, the people of the world have come to love and appreciate it. In the far East in places like Malaysia , Indonesia and even in China , millions left Buddhism, Hinduism and their local practices to peacefully embrace Islam without being forced or a war being waged to make it happen. In Africa as a result of contact with Muslim traders, Africans accepted Islam willingly and became the torch bearers of knowledge and civilization for the world of their time. This is evidenced by the great Islamic developments in places like Gao, Ghana, Timbuktu, Egypt, Mali and other places which amassed huge libraries and high pinnacles of culture and learning that led the world during their hey day of Islam. You should do a Google search on some of the great African Muslim names like Mansa Kankan Musa, Sunni Ali, Askia the Great and others to learn some of that history that is rarely told in the West.

According to Jewish historical narratives, the Jews experienced their Golden and Silver ages NOT in Europe but in Muslim Spain and Muslim Persia respectively. In fact they fled the persecution faced in Christian Europe to find refuge and prosperity in Muslim lands. Even in Palestine , Jews, Muslims and Christians lived in harmony and peace under Muslim rule for more than 700 years before the coming of the Zionists. Synagogues and Orthodox churches that were ravaged and destroyed by Crusaders were rebuilt, protected, respected and preserved, by Muslims. That is why in Israel today you will find the Muslims, Christians and the Sephardic Jews -- who lived in Palestine before the coming of the European Zionists -- in strong unity and solidarity against the Zionists. I could go on with more examples pointing to India, Persia, the countries bordering Russia and other places along with the fact that despite all the ugly publicity and bad press Islam is receiving today, it continues to be the fastest growing religion in the world, but I will stop here. I invite anyone to study the true history of Islam in the world and not be fooled by out of context statements and one liners about this great religion. Unlike the ravages done in the name of Christianity that caused many people to hate it, Islam does not have that kind of history or experience. In the Islamic world scholars and scientists were cherished and highly valued NOT persecuted and tormented as in the Christian West. The most learned scientists in the Islamic world were the most religious amongst the people.


(This does not necessarily reflect the modern individuals of the religions. In fact, many people who actively consider themselves Christians do not even practice or believe in many of the morals and teachings of the bible; moreover, the Islamic people are the same. I know a Muslim man who believes the Jews are a humble, generous, wise, and kind people-which clearly goes against the dogma of his religions. I cite from the Qur‘an:

The worst savage beasts in Allah’s sight are those who do not believe. (8:55)

For the evil Jews, Allah has prepared a painful doom. (4: 160-1)

Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They would like to live for 1,000 years but even that cannot save them from the fire. 2:96


Thanks for complimenting Islam. You have proven that the only way you can attempt to make Islam look bad is to misquote it rather than present what the Qur’an actually says. Let me give the Quranic verses in full context that you misquoted above:

8:55 For the worst of beasts in the sight of God are those (wrong doers and oppressors) who reject Him: They will not believe.

4:160 For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) good and wholesome which had been lawful for them;- in that they hindered many from God's Way;-

4:161 That they took usury, though they were forbidden; and that they devoured men's substance wrongfully;- we have prepared for those among them who reject faith a grievous punishment.

There is no dogma in Islam against all Jews as there is in the Jewish Talmud and Jewish Kabala against all non-Jews. Islam recognizes good and bad in all people including Jews and gives Muslims a balanced view about them as in these verses:

Among the followers of Moses there are those who guide in accordance with the truth, and the truth renders them righteous. (7:159)

They are not all the same; among the followers of the scripture, there are those who are righteous. They recite God's revelations through the night, and they fall prostrate.

They believe in God and the Last Day, they advocate righteousness and forbid evil, and they hasten to do righteous works. These are the righteous. (3:113-114)

In these verses, and many more, the Qur’an is un-categorically stating that those Jews and Christians believing in God and the Last day, practicing truth, performing good deeds and forbid evil are righteous. There is no blanket condemnation of all Jews and Christians but recognition that there are some good and bad amongst them. The history of Islam is replete with examples of Jews and Christians who fought and died with Muslims against enemies of truth and righteousness. Even today in Israel there are many Jews and Christian Palestinians who are fighting alongside the Muslim Palestinians against the evils of the Zionists.



I also know many Christians who are pro-baby murder and supporters of gays. [I’m gay-rights activist. Funny enough, I also don‘t think of unborn babies as Humans, but I don‘t believe I should have the right to decide who is and is not Human…anyway])

However, this topic isn’t about that. It is neither, you ready for this, a shot against religious or antireligious zealots. (They’re both equally ignorant.)

This is just a discussion of rather or not these two religions are the same thing. A comparing and contrasting, and a hopefully intellectual discussion. So shut up ignorant people, nobody wants to hear what you have to say. (Except Mushroom. He makes me laugh, I love his ignorant comments of racism, sexism, and religious discrimination-great sense of humor, I’m not against offensive jokes-I support them.)

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So, are they the same thing? Are the two deities we call God and Allah one in the same? I think not, and here is why:

I think the religions share similar roots. I think one of them borrows from the other in some elements, giving vague similarities, but I still don’t think the philosophy is the same. The personalities of the two gods vary greatly as well.

You may argue that Allah simply means God, but that doesn’t mean that their God is the same God in anything but name. I could call a pile of dung a rose, but it wouldn’t smell as sweet.

Look at the Canaanites and Philistines. They had a polytheistic religion with a god named Baal, or God. (It can also be translated to mean Lord or Master, mind you, but God seems to be more commonly used and accepted.)

So does that mean their religion is the same as the Christian religion? Not at all. In fact, one of the many Christian titles for the devil is Beelzebub (Mathew 12:24.) Why is this important? Because, if you look up etymology of Beelzebub, you will see that the word reigns directly from Baal.

There are also major differences in the behaviors and opinions of the two Gods. The Christian God says that the Jews are his chosen people. Allah, however, clearly thinks poorly of them. The Christian God can forgive you for anything. The Qur’an mentions many times that there are a plethora of sins that cannot be forgiven, from idolatry, to ambivalent faith, to being born from idolaters.

There is also the Christian idea of thinking entirely of others, even when persecuted. The Qur’an tells the Islamic people to retaliate to attacks, whereas the Christian religion tells you to turn the other cheek and live as a peaceful martyr and sacrifice, to lead by example and not force.

That’s all very good, but none of this directly shows a contradiction in the religions that say they are not the same thing. Nothing has been directly cited from either holy book that suggests one religions immediate independence of the others. So, I cite the Qur’an once more:

Christians will burn in hell, (the fire). (5:72)



Thanks again for complimenting my religion with another misquote of the Qur’an. Let me quote what verse 5:72 actually says and proceed from there:

5:72 They do blaspheme who say: "(God) is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel ! Worship God, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with God,- God will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help. -

Unlike the Jewish Talmud that teaches hate towards Jesus (pbuh) and claims that he is boiling in a pot of semen in hell and that his blessed mother Mary was a whore, the Qur’an respects Jesus (pbuh) as one of God’s greatest prophets. It claims in the verse above that Jesus never called himself God or a son of God. He pointed the children of Israel to the worship of the One true God and not him.

Rather than burning in hell, the Qur’an has these very specific words describing rewards for Christians, Jews and others who perform righteous deeds. The Qur’an is the only book that recognizes righteousness in people of other religions and guarantees them heaven from God for their righteous deeds.

4:124 If any do deeds of righteousness,- be they male or female - and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them.

2:62. Those who believe (in the Qur’an)
And those who follow the Jewish (Scriptures)
And the Christians and the Sabians, -
ANY who believe in G-d
And the Last Day,
And work righteousness,
Shall have their reward
With their Lord: on them
Shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

Here the Qur’an specifically names Muslims, Christians, Jews, Sabians and even uses ANY to include all of humanity that fit the criteria of working righteousness to receive rewards from God. So your one line statement about Christians burning in hell is blatantly false and can’t be found anywhere in the Qur’an. What you will find in the Qur’an is that evil doers regardless of religion, nationality, race or sex will receive punishment from God and righteous doers, regardless of race, nationality, religion or sex will receive abundant rewards from God.


So, there are variations in the two deities, the over all philosophy, and the political evolution-but similar roots, characters, general attributes (say monotheism,) and entities-but they are not the same thing. Your opinions?


God in Islam is described as the Power that generated the Creation that is too big to be contained within the creation that He generated. The Qur’an describes 99 attributes or names of God of which the following are just a few: The Forgiving, The Just, The Merciful, The Beneficent, The All Knowing, The Kind, The Lord of all the worlds, The Master of the Day of Judgment, The All Mighty, The Creator, etc. One of the beautiful verses from the Qur’an describing God is as follows:

2:255 Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).

The Qur’an is rich with hundreds of verses regarding forgiveness from God. Here are some of them showing the Oft Forgiving nature of a Most Merciful God:

3:135 And those who, having done something to be ashamed of, or wronged their own souls, earnestly bring God to mind, and ask for forgiveness for their sins,- and who can forgive sins except God.- and are never obstinate in persisting knowingly in (the wrong) they have done.

3:129 To God belongeth all that is in the heavens and on earth. He forgiveth whom He pleaseth and punisheth whom He pleaseth; but God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

2:268 The Evil one threatens you with poverty and bids you to conduct unseemly. God promiseth you His forgiveness and bounties. And God careth for all and He knoweth all things.

From descriptions given in the Qur’an – not misquotes and outright lies about the religion of Islam – we all can judge the portrayal of God in the religion of Islam. I leave it to the Seraph to read the Qur’an for themselves, study Islam and make the comparison between the Christian concept of God and the Islamic concept. Arm chair experts who never studied Islam can only provide misleading one liners that are totally devoid of truth. For more information about the differences between Christianity and Islam, I invite the Seraph to read these articles:

What Does Islam Say About Christians And War?
http://www.lewisnews.com/article.asp?ID=122311

How Did Prophet Muhammad Treat Christians?
http://www.lewisnews.com/article.asp?ID=127145

Islam versus Christianity: Which is more warlike?
http://www.lewisnews.com/article.asp?ID=121959

Sorry for all the edits just had to make it readable.

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^ and that is what we call a severe owning
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U should be shot for creating this thread.
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iirc islam was based off of christianity. It's like stepping stones or something

jewish - jesus comes - christianity - muhamed comes - Islam. But islams believe one crucial moment in the bible was wrong which changed a lot of things. but I do not know a lot about the islam religion so if someone could either verify this or shoot it down I would be most appreciative.


well the area that muhammad lived was home to christians, jews, and the arab people who had beguin to shift from a polytheistic religeon to a economicaly based heiarchy. I dont think I wouldnt say that Islam was specificaly based on christianity or judiasm though, but it is believed that the angel Gabriel( as in he bible gabriel?) came to muhammad and it was after that, that he realized he was a messenger to the arab people.
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In the far East in places like Malaysia , Indonesia and even in China , millions left Buddhism, Hinduism and their local practices to peacefully embrace Islam without being forced or a war being waged to make it happen.


You are obviously DON'T know what you're talking about. RELIGION plays an imporatant role in establishing politics and domination, especially in the old days. Which means, there's no such thing as a peaceful conversion.
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well christians see jesus as the messiah while muslims see him only as a prophet. I'll say they're different
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slacker315 wrote:

iirc islam was based off of christianity. It's like stepping stones or something

jewish - jesus comes - christianity - muhamed comes - Islam. But islams believe one crucial moment in the bible was wrong which changed a lot of things. but I do not know a lot about the islam religion so if someone could either verify this or shoot it down I would be most appreciative.


well the area that muhammad lived was home to christians, jews, and the arab people who had beguin to shift from a polytheistic religeon to a economicaly based heiarchy. I dont think I wouldnt say that Islam was specificaly based on christianity or judiasm though, but it is believed that the angel Gabriel( as in he bible gabriel?) came to muhammad and it was after that, that he realized he was a messenger to the arab people.


agreed.

muhammad was also believed to be the Last Prophet and is a descendant of God, Abraham, and even Jesus himself.

Some Islam beliefs are based from Christianity, but there are some that they don't agree with such as creating an image of God. Christians have decided to create mosaics, paintings, and whatnot of God, and that's one of the things Islamic people are very much against.
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muhammad was also believed to be the Last Prophet and is a descendant of God, Abraham, and even Jesus himself.


I'm sorry, Muhammad is descendant of Jesus??

You're not writing a book are you?
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MmmCrunchy wrote:

muhammad was also believed to be the Last Prophet and is a descendant of God, Abraham, and even Jesus himself.


I'm sorry, Muhammad is descendant of Jesus??

You're not writing a book are you?


ha, nah. i'm too lazy.

but anyway, yes, Muhammad is a descendant of Jesus. how do i know that? my ap art history teacher told me when we were on the islam chapter. believable? i didn't think so either. i was definitely surprised when she told me about it. am i sure it's true? heck no. haha.
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