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shin and hiromi still ended up with each other but its kinda disappointing they should have made up a longer series


u wanted him to be with noe?


well i liked hiromi at first but i like noe more than her
noe's atitude might be weird but it got some unique good points


i liked all the characters in that show and i didn't care for the ending ..it's hard to dislike any chracter from that show ..
do u dislike any ?


well if you ask me its probably jun noe's brother
I mean he fell in love with his sister and ask shin to go out with her
he should have been honest right from the start


i feel for jun although i dun rlly fancy him that much cuz of his siscon and he's bit of a bastard anyway still i don't hate him ,he didnt tell noe i guess because he was afraid that noe will be in a much worst situation than she already is

i hated that mum of his but at the end i didnt rlly hate her that much.i mean i understand her anger and all but still she shouid've never lied to that poor girl.

i liked all the girls but my fav was love- sick Ai-chan,i know that she made mistakes more than hiromi and screwed ,hurted both herself and nabuse,lyed to shin,nabuse and herself for years and i understand that to many she might not be as likeable because she's a realist but
i felt sad for her,she was so helplessly attracted to shin that she wouid do ANYTHING to get to him to the point that wanted to attempt sexual advance on him and abandon her dignity(it was heartbreaken) she kept on clinging to that tiny shred of hope for so long such a hoplessly thin to do even though she knew that her love will never be answered and that chances were less than zero and she was bound to be a failer/loser(desperate,unhealty love) .it was her struggle against destiny.i gree that she got little screen time but i dont think she was pointless.poor girl never stood a chance despite goin through so much for shin for shin.

hiromi and noe were great character as well.both went through so much hardships and pain but why torture my noe like this TT.hiromi truly deserves what she got at the end.

nabuse-two words-THE MAN
i'm happy for him and ai-chan.he went through much labour for ai and it was painful for him to deal with her feelings .
didnt even blame his friend

shin-i liked him,he's one of the better male harem and i think he deserves a break from all the hate he's gettin
his stuation was harder than most harem guys in those unrelastic harem animes.and he shouidnt be compared to other harem guys those three girls were not so normal and were sufferin/highly self -infected and very conflicted/sad girls than most happy,ecchie girls in animes like lovehina,green green that's why it was so hard for him when it came to hiromi and noe still i hated the fact that he was indesive towords both hiromi and aiko and settim them up on dates with other guys even though it was out of kindness and i hated that stupid exchange he made with jun but i like his character.

























well i like your opinion and i also like ai-chan
as well nobuse especially there story..............


but for jun his personality weren't that bad but those attitude just came out of the wrong time


and for noe it's much better if she found someonr else




i liked the side story more than the main one ....it was very painful watching aiko and nabuse ..both were hurting eachother very much ..aiko coudn't be happy with nabuse beacuse as much as she wanted to love him ,he was a burden to her heart ..it was painful how she was chasing after shin even though she knew that she was bound to be a failer/loser she was never happy and it seem like as the years went on her love for shin was becoming a burden to her heart rather than something special and she wanted to get rid of it and the fact that she had to let out her feeling to him forcefully showed just how unhealthy/unhappy person she was even with nabuse pampering her..nabuse's great loving was never enough ..She needed something so badly and nabuse couldn’t relief her ..it was heartbreaking watching nabuse being in denail and not wanting to leave aiko and he didn't even blame he's friend and he rlly loved ai-chan so much to the point that he even wanted to numb himself from the pain .when they're together i feel sorry for both of them .

as for jun i hate his attiude ,he was cold to everyone but noe ..but i felt sorry for him..

poooor noe..didn't deserve what happened to her ...her grandma ,shin and her brother with her state ...why torture noe like this ..it upsets me..noe will find what truly makes her happy one day ..

i guess u couid say that all three girls are extermely tragic/sympathetic characters.heromi had a tragic past and was forbidden to be with the person she loved .noe lost the most precious thing 'her tears' and lost her loved ones (her grandmother,shin and jun).aiko fell deeply in love and was blinded with the wrong person and was always destined to fail and lose everything because of that vital love.heromi is able to smile a gain even though she still effected by her past and aiko found the one who will truly make her happy even though she still lives with a broken heart and still suffering from the guilt .noe is deeply heartbroken but at least she got her tears back and made new friends ..not the best end for these girls but at least they're able to smile a gain which what this show was all about ...





well for ai-chan and nobuse i actually felt bad for them aiko supressed her own feelings thinking that it would go away one day
but continues to break her heart and was forced to date with nobuse because she doesn't want to ruined nobuse and shin's friendship
and for nobuse he's really a reable frie just like you said he didn't blame shin but rather kept their problem from shin and ased himself to be cursed but it's kindda happy for them to still end up with one another

and for noe who happened to have the most cruel fate she blamed herself for hurting everyone by not realizing their feeling which she had no idea about so for my opinion she shouldn't be sorry
but she still loved shin in spite of that she endured just watching from a distance and tried to kill herself but tnx to shin she only broke her leg
i mean she doesn't deserve for her grandmother to die
for her tears to be taken away, to be dated for a short time
and know her brother loves him more than a sibling

and for hiromi she's reallt difficult to read she's unlike the other anime character where you could easily tell if
she-likes-who and predict what will happen but hiromi is really different
at first i want for her to be with shin but when she told her bestfriend she likes jun i kinda liked noe more than her and began
irratated by her actions and when the end finally came i liked her again that's what i ilke about this anime is very unpredictable



ur right a bout aiko .she wanted to forget a bout shin but at the same time she had this maybe' he wouid love me back ' going through her head ' if she accepted the fact that a future for her and shin can never be and that he will always love hiromi, then why did she choose to go after him knowing that she has no chance with him in hell? Why did she take the hard way? Why did she choose to love someone who won't return her feelings? How could you love someone who won't return your feelings? If she actually gave up on shin ,then she was just hurting herself by still having feelings for him I think I know the reason ,she wasn't seeking for true love but all this time ,her goal was to seek for pity love ,she chose to be second best(a replacement for hiromi)she knew deep down that he won't return her feelings but couldn't stop thinking about him unless she heard it out of his mouth that 's why she had gone through so much pain .shin was bad for aiko not because he's bad but because of what she was doing to herself and her life for the sake of getting to him (impossible love) …which was pure torture -.-…nabuse worked so hard for ai-chan ..i know some ppl will say she isn't rlly deserving of him but if she want's to prove to hersilf and him that she's worthy of he's love ..then why not start over ..she doesn't want nabuse to face that painful experiance she had with shin and want's to make it up to him ..

as for noe -i agree noe shouidn't blame herself for what happened ..she had nothing to do with it ..she didnt hurt anybody ..did she ?and yes i didn't like the fact that noe had to be a scrifise for hiromi,shin ending ..i mean i understand them building the theme of her tears but they didn't have to torture her like this ...it was too much for her to take and jun made it worst but still she got her tears and her friends

i never hated hiromi (not one bit )i can ttly undertand where she's coming from ..she was hurting herself like aiko but was also protecting shin from falling inlove with his own sister .i understand that she hid so much ,tortured herself and shin but it was beacuse she hated herself so much ...the mum was bitch to her but i was happy when she let out all that suffering ...


well i understand about what you said tha ai-chan felt cuz when your in-love even if you know you'll be rejected you will just keep telling yourself that there is a chance and eventually you'll forget about about it and start doing it like it natural but i admired her courage to still tell shin about what she felt if she had not done that she would collapse from the pain of not accepting that her love will never be returned well you can say she's unlucky with shin but she got very lucky with nobuse i mean he denied it many times when ai-chan wanted to break up with him and avoided it many times cuz he doesn't want to lose to shin and eventually got tried of running away and accepted ai-chan's decision and for ai-chan she offered him a second chance to start again or should i say nobuse gave her a second chance cuz after your girlfriend left you for your longtime bestfriend and when got rejected wants you back it's really rare for a guy to start again with a girl even if the guy really loves the girl so ai-chan got a happy life because of nobuse kindness

well i watch it again and kinda thought maybe it was better that noe didn't get any lover in the end if she had one she wouldn't get her tears back cuz she cried when she saw what shin wrote when he asked her out she cried when she remembered that that thing occured and shin asked her to go out that shin loved her even it was a short while she will remember it for the rest of her life that even though she got dumped he still asked her out and fell in love with her
and because of that her personality change she made some friends and got a new and bright life and she is sure to have a nice future

well at hiromi's case it was a big misunderstanding when shin mother told her that she and shin are siblings it totally crushed her and forced her to forget about her feelings for shin and never get close to him she just blamed her self for falling inlove with shin which she thought was her brother
and it's hard for me to blame shin's mother cuz i totally understand her part she was just like hiromi when she was jelous of hiromi's mom cuz shin's mother and hiromi's mother i can tell that their realationship is just like hiromi and noe she was just angry that her husband fell in love with his bestfriend wife even just a bit
you know when hiromi was moving out of shin house she talked to shin dad it's just a hunch but when she asked him
"did you really?" he just nodded i think what she was about to ask was "did you really loved my mother"

but that's all the most important things that they got what they deserved



i think that out of all the three girls aiko loved him the most and was supressing her feelings for a very long time way before hiromi found out that they might be siblings..if aiko was lying and torturing herself for all these years then her love for shin was100% unhealthy and desperate and yes ur right aiko's love for shin had the potential to make her go yendere and kill shin and i woudn't blame her for her action at ep 7 she was devestated an d desperate ..poor girl she even had to abandon her deginty and yes aiko has bad luck with shin but it was her destiny /fate and she was bound to be a failer/loser from the begining and she had a sence of all this whichis why she tried to hide from her friend ..is it beacuse she feels empty ?her love for shin couidn't make her happy ,nabuse's coudn't make her happy ...something hurts her so bad that it doesn't matter anymore .and yes nabuse is rare and other guys wouidn't have done what he did ..i'm not sure if the writers meant to give them both happiness or it just for nabuse ..but still i wouidn't want aiko to be a lone (she already is )and she couid go crazy ,she's already had a terrible life been in love with shin(i'm surpised at those who were rooting for her ,her love for shin is unhealthy) will she be able to forget her horrible past with shin ?it will take time but she'll get over it .it will be easier for her to let go of shin if she stays away from him and nabuse will be by her side and give her all the love she needs and didn’t get when she was in love with shin, he'll try his best to make up to her losses and make her happy .I don't think she choose to settle for nabuse .she found the one ,she finally discovered true love standing right in front after she was pursing something impossible for years but she will still suffer from the guilt and it might haunt her for the rest of her life (she hasn't told nabuse a bout the kiss).either ways ,she won't be fully satisfied or happy weather it's with shin or nabuse ,they will always be this 'why did I do this 'on her mind as long as stays with nabuse ..u couid say that aiko's a sicrifising girl ..if she truly wanted to forget she wouid have travel to another country loll but she chose not to forget ..sad girl with a sad fate and a sad life full of regret ,lies, and guilt ...i pity her a lot ..

i agree with u on noe but stil they couid have given her tears of happiness instead of tears of sadness but yeah it can make sense ..in order for her to get back her tears and go back to how she was before her grandma died losing shin (loved one )was a MUST ..this is kinda like when u lose ur memory because u saw something that made u go on truma and then it happens agin and then u become well same thing with noe ...i still don't get why noe fans r upset though-.-but still noe had it very hard ...


as for hiromi ,yes she was trying so hard to not just stay a way from shin but forget him as well and it's was very tragic ..u couid feel her pain ..as for the mum ..i understand her stuation and that she was angry and all but why did she lie to hiromi ?



well i think all the girls love for shin was to the same extent it's and hiromi loved shin since they were children when the flashback showed when shin played with hiromi and hiromi lost her sandals then shin took his and they walked with just 1 pair of sandals hiromi loved shin starting that day so i can tell ai-chan and hiromi were the ones that deserve shin the most and not leaving behind noe she was loved by shin for just a short time
and you can tell noe's fate is tragic but ai-chan's fate was even more tragic and shin didn't even look at her as a woman she was 1 of the girls who loved shin for a long but shin never had interest in her maybe she thought it was unfair cuz she knows shin likes hiromi and was also jelous of noe cuz shin just met her recently so that's why she broke her silence and confessed to shin even though she knew the results but i think she will fall in love with nobuse cuz she wouldn't tell him to start over if she doesn't like him 1 bit

and for hiromi's mom she probably told the lie cuz she knew that hiromi and shin liked each other and knowing her status her husband once loved a wife of another and hiromi was the daughter of that woman so she said that cuz she want revenge to that woman but she died so she could only take out her anger on hiromi who was clueless



i agree that all girls loved him very much but noe's love and hiromi 's love(they're not siblings after all) was much more healther than aiko's love.aiko's love was unhealthy and full of lies(screwed love)..she lied for years ,hiromi lied for one year and had gd reasons to lie,ai was just afraid ,desperate and i guess she was lonely .i also noticed that she's the most conflicted person on the show ,she fight's many conflicts with her feelings, she has a conflict between her love for shin and not wanting to hurt nabuse by pursing shin, she has a conflict between her feelings for shin and having to accept his future with hiromi ,she has a conflict between her feelings for shin and having to live with the fact that he won't return her feelings ,she has a conflict between her feelings for shin and not wanting their sister/brother relationship to fade ,she has a conflict on weather what she's doing is right or wrong ,she has a conflict (the main one)between her feelings for shin and nabuse feelings or her .even though one side of her wants' to love nabuse the other side wants to leave nabuse because he's a burden on her hearts ..both him and shin were burden to her heart ..she had guilt from both sides(too much guilt)out of all the girls ,she's probably the most tragic one of them although hiromi and noe are very tragic characters and were in much worst situation but they were not as real as her ,she felt more tragic to me because she was real and her situation was more of a destiny /fate thing ,hiromi situation was tragic but it was all a lie and she was destined to be happy and be with shin anyway .it'll be more tragic if it was actually the truth ,noe situation was tragic and very painful but it wasn't that realistic . aiko's situation was tragic and realistic because it involved destiny and fate and he never looked at her or gave her the pity love she wanted and it had a relastic theme moving on from on from ur first love which sometimes can be a diseas.even though she got a happy ending it was the because the writers wanted happiness for nabuse and not her ..how can she be happy when she feels guilty ?i'm not sure what she meant by starting over ?as FRIENDS or is planning to date him ?can u answer this for me ?

i think that hiromi's mum and shin's dad didn't even have an affair ,but maybe he had a thing for hiromi's mum i wonder though where's hiromi's dad in all of this ?

oh yeah , did grandma knew of jun siscon ?



well i think aiko want to get over shin so she told nobuse to start over again maybe like the first time they met when they were friends frist and nobuse will ask her out i think that's what she ment by starting over


and i'm sure shin's dad and hiromi's mom did have an affair when hiromi found the picture of the yuasa's with shin parent with her mother burned from the picture shin's mom burned that part that means there was something that happened between the 2 of them that's where i base my thinking


and i don't think noe's grandmother knew about jun's feelings but i can tell that jun hates his grandmother



well this is all the answers i can give to you




so aiko wants to go back to nabuse ,she'd still feel guilty though ,nabuse's main problem was that he fill in love with a messed up girl who'sn't rlly happy with herself or her life even though he tried so much ,he still coudn't make her happy with his great loving ,her love for shin coudn't make her happy ..she just coudn't be happy weather it was shin or nabuse beacuse of her fate..

maybe it was a missunderstanding ,i don't thinik that shin's father is the type of person to cheat on his wife ..

why does junhate his grandmather?


well maybe she just wanted to get over shin just like i said earlier but look on the bright side what if she will love nobuse cuz she's very lucky with nobuse cuz he accepted her back after all she've done


and i can tell shin's dad did really cheat cuz it's like he doesn't love his wife anymore look at how he's acting to her and to hiromi he also cares for hiromi like his own daughter cuz usually when your friends daughter came living with you you'll treat her as your guest not as your own blood relative i mean you usually treat her as a family but not to close


i dunno but you see when noe told shin her grandmother took her tears ayaw ther was a flashback when her grandmother was dying and noe was crying jun told his grandmother and noe get away from each other


i am looking at the bright side and i agree with u that she's trying to get over shin and she will fall in love with nabuse but it will be better if she just forgot both guys but she chose to not forget by wanting to go back to nabuse and i don't think she choose to settle for nabuse as well .she found the one ,she finally discovered true love standing right in front after she was pursing something impossible for years but she will still suffer from the guilt and it might haunt her for the rest of her life .either ways ,she won't be fully satisfied or happy weather it's with shin or nabuse ,they will always be this 'why did I do this 'on her mind there's no way she can not feel guilty .as for the stuff she did ,i understand she made too many mistakes and made some bad choices but i don't think she's a bad person at all.(they all made mistakes).she did all what she did beacuse of shin ,i'm not one of those who wouid say 'she shouid just burn in hell ' she still made great choices at the end ..for me the actions she did was more of a self- sacrifising just like nabuse..nabuse did things for aiko and she did things for shin ..and i know that many wanted a happy ending for her because of nabuse and not her(not sure of ur one of those though)the question is - was it better for her to end up a lone or with nabuse ?some ppl said that the ending for her and nabuse felt forced ,did she just have a sudden change of heart ? was it right for ai to end with nabuse ?many aiko-haters ask these questions and i disagree with them because many ppl view the situation from nabuse point and not aiko .nabuse was a victim but aiko was a victim even more ..nabuse was a winner either ways and he didn't waste his time for nothing but she wasted herself for someone she knew she might not be able to get .to be honest with u i felt for her a bit more than nabuse cuz they'll be guilt in both realtionship weather she ended up with shin or nabuse..even if ppl r happy that nabuse ended up with his girl ..it doesn't mean that she's fully happy she will find happiness in time but not too soon ..the ending felt more like nabuse is happy and she's not end ....

cheat as in he went on dates with her but i don't think that they had an affair and i don't think that he hates his wife and of cource he thinks of hiromi as his daughter ..she's his bestfriend daughter ..but yeah ..he saw how his wife treated hiromi ,why didn't he say anything ?

as for jun ,he was jsut trying to pull his sister so she wouid just stop crying ,and yeah i don't think that he's close with his grandmother because she knows his secret ?

oh yeah , there's a dram CD for the show..


well you said that she'd be better alone well that good but it sort of mean running away from guilt that she didn't make a move and hurted nobuse and for forcing herself on shin and considering her personality she won't run away that she would rather get her than be called a coward for running away from something like that but time will pass by and she'll eventually forget about shin considering hiromi is going-out with shin and she's aquaintance with hiromi she'll just feel guilty but just forget and i think she'll love nobuse in a year or two and BLUNTLY SAYING SHE LOVED SHIN FOR MANY YEARS SO A YEAR OR TO WONT HURT well just kidding about that i'm sure she'll find happiness

well maybe shin's dad and hiromi's mom feelings were just mutual and didn't go out on dates or something and he doesn't LITERALLY hates his wife but it seem he lost some feelings for her and shin's mom wants it back and i think that problem was solved even before hiromi moved in and he did say anything about hiromi he said "HIROMI IS ALSO OUR CHILD SO PLEASE TREAT HIM LIKE YOU TREAT SHIN" and she replied "SHE'S NOT MY CHILD" well it's not very convicing on shin"s father"s part

maybe but to think ots was really obvious that he liked his sister if you look closely at jun's part




i agree with u on how treats hiromi's mum ..and yes i blame the him as well ..why didn't he say anything a bout the situation with him an hiromi's mum ?this show is full of lies ..LOL...he cheated on his wife because she didn't have a daughter ?and that why he thinks of hiormi as his own daughter cuz he doesn't have one ?

i know that jun loved noe ...but he didn't rlly think it was ok to fall in love with his sister though ...


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haime_cj wrote:


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haime_cj wrote:


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haime_cj wrote:


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haime_cj wrote:


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haime_cj wrote:


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haime_cj wrote:


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shin and hiromi still ended up with each other but its kinda disappointing they should have made up a longer series


u wanted him to be with noe?


well i liked hiromi at first but i like noe more than her
noe's atitude might be weird but it got some unique good points


i liked all the characters in that show and i didn't care for the ending ..it's hard to dislike any chracter from that show ..
do u dislike any ?


well if you ask me its probably jun noe's brother
I mean he fell in love with his sister and ask shin to go out with her
he should have been honest right from the start


i feel for jun although i dun rlly fancy him that much cuz of his siscon and he's bit of a bastard anyway still i don't hate him ,he didnt tell noe i guess because he was afraid that noe will be in a much worst situation than she already is

i hated that mum of his but at the end i didnt rlly hate her that much.i mean i understand her anger and all but still she shouid've never lied to that poor girl.

i liked all the girls but my fav was love- sick Ai-chan,i know that she made mistakes more than hiromi and screwed ,hurted both herself and nabuse,lyed to shin,nabuse and herself for years and i understand that to many she might not be as likeable because she's a realist but
i felt sad for her,she was so helplessly attracted to shin that she wouid do ANYTHING to get to him to the point that wanted to attempt sexual advance on him and abandon her dignity(it was heartbreaken) she kept on clinging to that tiny shred of hope for so long such a hoplessly thin to do even though she knew that her love will never be answered and that chances were less than zero and she was bound to be a failer/loser(desperate,unhealty love) .it was her struggle against destiny.i gree that she got little screen time but i dont think she was pointless.poor girl never stood a chance despite goin through so much for shin for shin.

hiromi and noe were great character as well.both went through so much hardships and pain but why torture my noe like this TT.hiromi truly deserves what she got at the end.

nabuse-two words-THE MAN
i'm happy for him and ai-chan.he went through much labour for ai and it was painful for him to deal with her feelings .
didnt even blame his friend

shin-i liked him,he's one of the better male harem and i think he deserves a break from all the hate he's gettin
his stuation was harder than most harem guys in those unrelastic harem animes.and he shouidnt be compared to other harem guys those three girls were not so normal and were sufferin/highly self -infected and very conflicted/sad girls than most happy,ecchie girls in animes like lovehina,green green that's why it was so hard for him when it came to hiromi and noe still i hated the fact that he was indesive towords both hiromi and aiko and settim them up on dates with other guys even though it was out of kindness and i hated that stupid exchange he made with jun but i like his character.

























well i like your opinion and i also like ai-chan
as well nobuse especially there story..............


but for jun his personality weren't that bad but those attitude just came out of the wrong time


and for noe it's much better if she found someonr else




i liked the side story more than the main one ....it was very painful watching aiko and nabuse ..both were hurting eachother very much ..aiko coudn't be happy with nabuse beacuse as much as she wanted to love him ,he was a burden to her heart ..it was painful how she was chasing after shin even though she knew that she was bound to be a failer/loser she was never happy and it seem like as the years went on her love for shin was becoming a burden to her heart rather than something special and she wanted to get rid of it and the fact that she had to let out her feeling to him forcefully showed just how unhealthy/unhappy person she was even with nabuse pampering her..nabuse's great loving was never enough ..She needed something so badly and nabuse couldn’t relief her ..it was heartbreaking watching nabuse being in denail and not wanting to leave aiko and he didn't even blame he's friend and he rlly loved ai-chan so much to the point that he even wanted to numb himself from the pain .when they're together i feel sorry for both of them .

as for jun i hate his attiude ,he was cold to everyone but noe ..but i felt sorry for him..

poooor noe..didn't deserve what happened to her ...her grandma ,shin and her brother with her state ...why torture noe like this ..it upsets me..noe will find what truly makes her happy one day ..

i guess u couid say that all three girls are extermely tragic/sympathetic characters.heromi had a tragic past and was forbidden to be with the person she loved .noe lost the most precious thing 'her tears' and lost her loved ones (her grandmother,shin and jun).aiko fell deeply in love and was blinded with the wrong person and was always destined to fail and lose everything because of that vital love.heromi is able to smile a gain even though she still effected by her past and aiko found the one who will truly make her happy even though she still lives with a broken heart and still suffering from the guilt .noe is deeply heartbroken but at least she got her tears back and made new friends ..not the best end for these girls but at least they're able to smile a gain which what this show was all about ...





well for ai-chan and nobuse i actually felt bad for them aiko supressed her own feelings thinking that it would go away one day
but continues to break her heart and was forced to date with nobuse because she doesn't want to ruined nobuse and shin's friendship
and for nobuse he's really a reable frie just like you said he didn't blame shin but rather kept their problem from shin and ased himself to be cursed but it's kindda happy for them to still end up with one another

and for noe who happened to have the most cruel fate she blamed herself for hurting everyone by not realizing their feeling which she had no idea about so for my opinion she shouldn't be sorry
but she still loved shin in spite of that she endured just watching from a distance and tried to kill herself but tnx to shin she only broke her leg
i mean she doesn't deserve for her grandmother to die
for her tears to be taken away, to be dated for a short time
and know her brother loves him more than a sibling

and for hiromi she's reallt difficult to read she's unlike the other anime character where you could easily tell if
she-likes-who and predict what will happen but hiromi is really different
at first i want for her to be with shin but when she told her bestfriend she likes jun i kinda liked noe more than her and began
irratated by her actions and when the end finally came i liked her again that's what i ilke about this anime is very unpredictable



ur right a bout aiko .she wanted to forget a bout shin but at the same time she had this maybe' he wouid love me back ' going through her head ' if she accepted the fact that a future for her and shin can never be and that he will always love hiromi, then why did she choose to go after him knowing that she has no chance with him in hell? Why did she take the hard way? Why did she choose to love someone who won't return her feelings? How could you love someone who won't return your feelings? If she actually gave up on shin ,then she was just hurting herself by still having feelings for him I think I know the reason ,she wasn't seeking for true love but all this time ,her goal was to seek for pity love ,she chose to be second best(a replacement for hiromi)she knew deep down that he won't return her feelings but couldn't stop thinking about him unless she heard it out of his mouth that 's why she had gone through so much pain .shin was bad for aiko not because he's bad but because of what she was doing to herself and her life for the sake of getting to him (impossible love) …which was pure torture -.-…nabuse worked so hard for ai-chan ..i know some ppl will say she isn't rlly deserving of him but if she want's to prove to hersilf and him that she's worthy of he's love ..then why not start over ..she doesn't want nabuse to face that painful experiance she had with shin and want's to make it up to him ..

as for noe -i agree noe shouidn't blame herself for what happened ..she had nothing to do with it ..she didnt hurt anybody ..did she ?and yes i didn't like the fact that noe had to be a scrifise for hiromi,shin ending ..i mean i understand them building the theme of her tears but they didn't have to torture her like this ...it was too much for her to take and jun made it worst but still she got her tears and her friends

i never hated hiromi (not one bit )i can ttly undertand where she's coming from ..she was hurting herself like aiko but was also protecting shin from falling inlove with his own sister .i understand that she hid so much ,tortured herself and shin but it was beacuse she hated herself so much ...the mum was bitch to her but i was happy when she let out all that suffering ...


well i understand about what you said tha ai-chan felt cuz when your in-love even if you know you'll be rejected you will just keep telling yourself that there is a chance and eventually you'll forget about about it and start doing it like it natural but i admired her courage to still tell shin about what she felt if she had not done that she would collapse from the pain of not accepting that her love will never be returned well you can say she's unlucky with shin but she got very lucky with nobuse i mean he denied it many times when ai-chan wanted to break up with him and avoided it many times cuz he doesn't want to lose to shin and eventually got tried of running away and accepted ai-chan's decision and for ai-chan she offered him a second chance to start again or should i say nobuse gave her a second chance cuz after your girlfriend left you for your longtime bestfriend and when got rejected wants you back it's really rare for a guy to start again with a girl even if the guy really loves the girl so ai-chan got a happy life because of nobuse kindness

well i watch it again and kinda thought maybe it was better that noe didn't get any lover in the end if she had one she wouldn't get her tears back cuz she cried when she saw what shin wrote when he asked her out she cried when she remembered that that thing occured and shin asked her to go out that shin loved her even it was a short while she will remember it for the rest of her life that even though she got dumped he still asked her out and fell in love with her
and because of that her personality change she made some friends and got a new and bright life and she is sure to have a nice future

well at hiromi's case it was a big misunderstanding when shin mother told her that she and shin are siblings it totally crushed her and forced her to forget about her feelings for shin and never get close to him she just blamed her self for falling inlove with shin which she thought was her brother
and it's hard for me to blame shin's mother cuz i totally understand her part she was just like hiromi when she was jelous of hiromi's mom cuz shin's mother and hiromi's mother i can tell that their realationship is just like hiromi and noe she was just angry that her husband fell in love with his bestfriend wife even just a bit
you know when hiromi was moving out of shin house she talked to shin dad it's just a hunch but when she asked him
"did you really?" he just nodded i think what she was about to ask was "did you really loved my mother"

but that's all the most important things that they got what they deserved



i think that out of all the three girls aiko loved him the most and was supressing her feelings for a very long time way before hiromi found out that they might be siblings..if aiko was lying and torturing herself for all these years then her love for shin was100% unhealthy and desperate and yes ur right aiko's love for shin had the potential to make her go yendere and kill shin and i woudn't blame her for her action at ep 7 she was devestated an d desperate ..poor girl she even had to abandon her deginty and yes aiko has bad luck with shin but it was her destiny /fate and she was bound to be a failer/loser from the begining and she had a sence of all this whichis why she tried to hide from her friend ..is it beacuse she feels empty ?her love for shin couidn't make her happy ,nabuse's coudn't make her happy ...something hurts her so bad that it doesn't matter anymore .and yes nabuse is rare and other guys wouidn't have done what he did ..i'm not sure if the writers meant to give them both happiness or it just for nabuse ..but still i wouidn't want aiko to be a lone (she already is )and she couid go crazy ,she's already had a terrible life been in love with shin(i'm surpised at those who were rooting for her ,her love for shin is unhealthy) will she be able to forget her horrible past with shin ?it will take time but she'll get over it .it will be easier for her to let go of shin if she stays away from him and nabuse will be by her side and give her all the love she needs and didn’t get when she was in love with shin, he'll try his best to make up to her losses and make her happy .I don't think she choose to settle for nabuse .she found the one ,she finally discovered true love standing right in front after she was pursing something impossible for years but she will still suffer from the guilt and it might haunt her for the rest of her life (she hasn't told nabuse a bout the kiss).either ways ,she won't be fully satisfied or happy weather it's with shin or nabuse ,they will always be this 'why did I do this 'on her mind as long as stays with nabuse ..u couid say that aiko's a sicrifising girl ..if she truly wanted to forget she wouid have travel to another country loll but she chose not to forget ..sad girl with a sad fate and a sad life full of regret ,lies, and guilt ...i pity her a lot ..

i agree with u on noe but stil they couid have given her tears of happiness instead of tears of sadness but yeah it can make sense ..in order for her to get back her tears and go back to how she was before her grandma died losing shin (loved one )was a MUST ..this is kinda like when u lose ur memory because u saw something that made u go on truma and then it happens agin and then u become well same thing with noe ...i still don't get why noe fans r upset though-.-but still noe had it very hard ...


as for hiromi ,yes she was trying so hard to not just stay a way from shin but forget him as well and it's was very tragic ..u couid feel her pain ..as for the mum ..i understand her stuation and that she was angry and all but why did she lie to hiromi ?



well i think all the girls love for shin was to the same extent it's and hiromi loved shin since they were children when the flashback showed when shin played with hiromi and hiromi lost her sandals then shin took his and they walked with just 1 pair of sandals hiromi loved shin starting that day so i can tell ai-chan and hiromi were the ones that deserve shin the most and not leaving behind noe she was loved by shin for just a short time
and you can tell noe's fate is tragic but ai-chan's fate was even more tragic and shin didn't even look at her as a woman she was 1 of the girls who loved shin for a long but shin never had interest in her maybe she thought it was unfair cuz she knows shin likes hiromi and was also jelous of noe cuz shin just met her recently so that's why she broke her silence and confessed to shin even though she knew the results but i think she will fall in love with nobuse cuz she wouldn't tell him to start over if she doesn't like him 1 bit

and for hiromi's mom she probably told the lie cuz she knew that hiromi and shin liked each other and knowing her status her husband once loved a wife of another and hiromi was the daughter of that woman so she said that cuz she want revenge to that woman but she died so she could only take out her anger on hiromi who was clueless



i agree that all girls loved him very much but noe's love and hiromi 's love(they're not siblings after all) was much more healther than aiko's love.aiko's love was unhealthy and full of lies(screwed love)..she lied for years ,hiromi lied for one year and had gd reasons to lie,ai was just afraid ,desperate and i guess she was lonely .i also noticed that she's the most conflicted person on the show ,she fight's many conflicts with her feelings, she has a conflict between her love for shin and not wanting to hurt nabuse by pursing shin, she has a conflict between her feelings for shin and having to accept his future with hiromi ,she has a conflict between her feelings for shin and having to live with the fact that he won't return her feelings ,she has a conflict between her feelings for shin and not wanting their sister/brother relationship to fade ,she has a conflict on weather what she's doing is right or wrong ,she has a conflict (the main one)between her feelings for shin and nabuse feelings or her .even though one side of her wants' to love nabuse the other side wants to leave nabuse because he's a burden on her hearts ..both him and shin were burden to her heart ..she had guilt from both sides(too much guilt)out of all the girls ,she's probably the most tragic one of them although hiromi and noe are very tragic characters and were in much worst situation but they were not as real as her ,she felt more tragic to me because she was real and her situation was more of a destiny /fate thing ,hiromi situation was tragic but it was all a lie and she was destined to be happy and be with shin anyway .it'll be more tragic if it was actually the truth ,noe situation was tragic and very painful but it wasn't that realistic . aiko's situation was tragic and realistic because it involved destiny and fate and he never looked at her or gave her the pity love she wanted and it had a relastic theme moving on from on from ur first love which sometimes can be a diseas.even though she got a happy ending it was the because the writers wanted happiness for nabuse and not her ..how can she be happy when she feels guilty ?i'm not sure what she meant by starting over ?as FRIENDS or is planning to date him ?can u answer this for me ?

i think that hiromi's mum and shin's dad didn't even have an affair ,but maybe he had a thing for hiromi's mum i wonder though where's hiromi's dad in all of this ?

oh yeah , did grandma knew of jun siscon ?



well i think aiko want to get over shin so she told nobuse to start over again maybe like the first time they met when they were friends frist and nobuse will ask her out i think that's what she ment by starting over


and i'm sure shin's dad and hiromi's mom did have an affair when hiromi found the picture of the yuasa's with shin parent with her mother burned from the picture shin's mom burned that part that means there was something that happened between the 2 of them that's where i base my thinking


and i don't think noe's grandmother knew about jun's feelings but i can tell that jun hates his grandmother



well this is all the answers i can give to you




so aiko wants to go back to nabuse ,she'd still feel guilty though ,nabuse's main problem was that he fill in love with a messed up girl who'sn't rlly happy with herself or her life even though he tried so much ,he still coudn't make her happy with his great loving ,her love for shin coudn't make her happy ..she just coudn't be happy weather it was shin or nabuse beacuse of her fate..

maybe it was a missunderstanding ,i don't thinik that shin's father is the type of person to cheat on his wife ..

why does junhate his grandmather?


well maybe she just wanted to get over shin just like i said earlier but look on the bright side what if she will love nobuse cuz she's very lucky with nobuse cuz he accepted her back after all she've done


and i can tell shin's dad did really cheat cuz it's like he doesn't love his wife anymore look at how he's acting to her and to hiromi he also cares for hiromi like his own daughter cuz usually when your friends daughter came living with you you'll treat her as your guest not as your own blood relative i mean you usually treat her as a family but not to close


i dunno but you see when noe told shin her grandmother took her tears ayaw ther was a flashback when her grandmother was dying and noe was crying jun told his grandmother and noe get away from each other


i am looking at the bright side and i agree with u that she's trying to get over shin and she will fall in love with nabuse but it will be better if she just forgot both guys but she chose to not forget by wanting to go back to nabuse and i don't think she choose to settle for nabuse as well .she found the one ,she finally discovered true love standing right in front after she was pursing something impossible for years but she will still suffer from the guilt and it might haunt her for the rest of her life .either ways ,she won't be fully satisfied or happy weather it's with shin or nabuse ,they will always be this 'why did I do this 'on her mind there's no way she can not feel guilty .as for the stuff she did ,i understand she made too many mistakes and made some bad choices but i don't think she's a bad person at all.(they all made mistakes).she did all what she did beacuse of shin ,i'm not one of those who wouid say 'she shouid just burn in hell ' she still made great choices at the end ..for me the actions she did was more of a self- sacrifising just like nabuse..nabuse did things for aiko and she did things for shin ..and i know that many wanted a happy ending for her because of nabuse and not her(not sure of ur one of those though)the question is - was it better for her to end up a lone or with nabuse ?some ppl said that the ending for her and nabuse felt forced ,did she just have a sudden change of heart ? was it right for ai to end with nabuse ?many aiko-haters ask these questions and i disagree with them because many ppl view the situation from nabuse point and not aiko .nabuse was a victim but aiko was a victim even more ..nabuse was a winner either ways and he didn't waste his time for nothing but she wasted herself for someone she knew she might not be able to get .to be honest with u i felt for her a bit more than nabuse cuz they'll be guilt in both realtionship weather she ended up with shin or nabuse..even if ppl r happy that nabuse ended up with his girl ..it doesn't mean that she's fully happy she will find happiness in time but not too soon ..the ending felt more like nabuse is happy and she's not end ....

cheat as in he went on dates with her but i don't think that they had an affair and i don't think that he hates his wife and of cource he thinks of hiromi as his daughter ..she's his bestfriend daughter ..but yeah ..he saw how his wife treated hiromi ,why didn't he say anything ?

as for jun ,he was jsut trying to pull his sister so she wouid just stop crying ,and yeah i don't think that he's close with his grandmother because she knows his secret ?

oh yeah , there's a dram CD for the show..


well you said that she'd be better alone well that good but it sort of mean running away from guilt that she didn't make a move and hurted nobuse and for forcing herself on shin and considering her personality she won't run away that she would rather get her than be called a coward for running away from something like that but time will pass by and she'll eventually forget about shin considering hiromi is going-out with shin and she's aquaintance with hiromi she'll just feel guilty but just forget and i think she'll love nobuse in a year or two and BLUNTLY SAYING SHE LOVED SHIN FOR MANY YEARS SO A YEAR OR TO WONT HURT well just kidding about that i'm sure she'll find happiness

well maybe shin's dad and hiromi's mom feelings were just mutual and didn't go out on dates or something and he doesn't LITERALLY hates his wife but it seem he lost some feelings for her and shin's mom wants it back and i think that problem was solved even before hiromi moved in and he did say anything about hiromi he said "HIROMI IS ALSO OUR CHILD SO PLEASE TREAT HIM LIKE YOU TREAT SHIN" and she replied "SHE'S NOT MY CHILD" well it's not very convicing on shin"s father"s part

maybe but to think ots was really obvious that he liked his sister if you look closely at jun's part




i agree with u on how treats hiromi's mum ..and yes i blame the him as well ..why didn't he say anything a bout the situation with him an hiromi's mum ?this show is full of lies ..LOL...he cheated on his wife because she didn't have a daughter ?and that why he thinks of hiormi as his own daughter cuz he doesn't have one ?

i know that jun loved noe ...but he didn't rlly think it was ok to fall in love with his sister though ...




well said i realized that just now well i pity her too cuz she was just lying to herself and every one hurted someone not involve before(nobuse) but maybe be things would have been better if she told shin earlier about her feelings and about sekai at least she made makoto love her even for a while but i don't anything similar to 2 of them cuz sekai was 1 of the main heroines of school days and ai-chan was just a side character


well i didn't really hate him it's not his fault for having feeling for his best friend's wife abd i think they he got over that a long time ago that's why he didn't metion it and i don't think he cheated on his wife cuz he doesn't have a daughter it's just that he sees hiromi's mom in her



well i agree he did think i was wrong to fall in love with his sister that why he never told her i mean anyone would feel guilty for falling inlove with your sibling
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shin and hiromi still ended up with each other but its kinda disappointing they should have made up a longer series


u wanted him to be with noe?


well i liked hiromi at first but i like noe more than her
noe's atitude might be weird but it got some unique good points


i liked all the characters in that show and i didn't care for the ending ..it's hard to dislike any chracter from that show ..
do u dislike any ?


well if you ask me its probably jun noe's brother
I mean he fell in love with his sister and ask shin to go out with her
he should have been honest right from the start


i feel for jun although i dun rlly fancy him that much cuz of his siscon and he's bit of a bastard anyway still i don't hate him ,he didnt tell noe i guess because he was afraid that noe will be in a much worst situation than she already is

i hated that mum of his but at the end i didnt rlly hate her that much.i mean i understand her anger and all but still she shouid've never lied to that poor girl.

i liked all the girls but my fav was love- sick Ai-chan,i know that she made mistakes more than hiromi and screwed ,hurted both herself and nabuse,lyed to shin,nabuse and herself for years and i understand that to many she might not be as likeable because she's a realist but
i felt sad for her,she was so helplessly attracted to shin that she wouid do ANYTHING to get to him to the point that wanted to attempt sexual advance on him and abandon her dignity(it was heartbreaken) she kept on clinging to that tiny shred of hope for so long such a hoplessly thin to do even though she knew that her love will never be answered and that chances were less than zero and she was bound to be a failer/loser(desperate,unhealty love) .it was her struggle against destiny.i gree that she got little screen time but i dont think she was pointless.poor girl never stood a chance despite goin through so much for shin for shin.

hiromi and noe were great character as well.both went through so much hardships and pain but why torture my noe like this TT.hiromi truly deserves what she got at the end.

nabuse-two words-THE MAN
i'm happy for him and ai-chan.he went through much labour for ai and it was painful for him to deal with her feelings .
didnt even blame his friend

shin-i liked him,he's one of the better male harem and i think he deserves a break from all the hate he's gettin
his stuation was harder than most harem guys in those unrelastic harem animes.and he shouidnt be compared to other harem guys those three girls were not so normal and were sufferin/highly self -infected and very conflicted/sad girls than most happy,ecchie girls in animes like lovehina,green green that's why it was so hard for him when it came to hiromi and noe still i hated the fact that he was indesive towords both hiromi and aiko and settim them up on dates with other guys even though it was out of kindness and i hated that stupid exchange he made with jun but i like his character.

























well i like your opinion and i also like ai-chan
as well nobuse especially there story..............


but for jun his personality weren't that bad but those attitude just came out of the wrong time


and for noe it's much better if she found someonr else




i liked the side story more than the main one ....it was very painful watching aiko and nabuse ..both were hurting eachother very much ..aiko coudn't be happy with nabuse beacuse as much as she wanted to love him ,he was a burden to her heart ..it was painful how she was chasing after shin even though she knew that she was bound to be a failer/loser she was never happy and it seem like as the years went on her love for shin was becoming a burden to her heart rather than something special and she wanted to get rid of it and the fact that she had to let out her feeling to him forcefully showed just how unhealthy/unhappy person she was even with nabuse pampering her..nabuse's great loving was never enough ..She needed something so badly and nabuse couldn’t relief her ..it was heartbreaking watching nabuse being in denail and not wanting to leave aiko and he didn't even blame he's friend and he rlly loved ai-chan so much to the point that he even wanted to numb himself from the pain .when they're together i feel sorry for both of them .

as for jun i hate his attiude ,he was cold to everyone but noe ..but i felt sorry for him..

poooor noe..didn't deserve what happened to her ...her grandma ,shin and her brother with her state ...why torture noe like this ..it upsets me..noe will find what truly makes her happy one day ..

i guess u couid say that all three girls are extermely tragic/sympathetic characters.heromi had a tragic past and was forbidden to be with the person she loved .noe lost the most precious thing 'her tears' and lost her loved ones (her grandmother,shin and jun).aiko fell deeply in love and was blinded with the wrong person and was always destined to fail and lose everything because of that vital love.heromi is able to smile a gain even though she still effected by her past and aiko found the one who will truly make her happy even though she still lives with a broken heart and still suffering from the guilt .noe is deeply heartbroken but at least she got her tears back and made new friends ..not the best end for these girls but at least they're able to smile a gain which what this show was all about ...





well for ai-chan and nobuse i actually felt bad for them aiko supressed her own feelings thinking that it would go away one day
but continues to break her heart and was forced to date with nobuse because she doesn't want to ruined nobuse and shin's friendship
and for nobuse he's really a reable frie just like you said he didn't blame shin but rather kept their problem from shin and ased himself to be cursed but it's kindda happy for them to still end up with one another

and for noe who happened to have the most cruel fate she blamed herself for hurting everyone by not realizing their feeling which she had no idea about so for my opinion she shouldn't be sorry
but she still loved shin in spite of that she endured just watching from a distance and tried to kill herself but tnx to shin she only broke her leg
i mean she doesn't deserve for her grandmother to die
for her tears to be taken away, to be dated for a short time
and know her brother loves him more than a sibling

and for hiromi she's reallt difficult to read she's unlike the other anime character where you could easily tell if
she-likes-who and predict what will happen but hiromi is really different
at first i want for her to be with shin but when she told her bestfriend she likes jun i kinda liked noe more than her and began
irratated by her actions and when the end finally came i liked her again that's what i ilke about this anime is very unpredictable



ur right a bout aiko .she wanted to forget a bout shin but at the same time she had this maybe' he wouid love me back ' going through her head ' if she accepted the fact that a future for her and shin can never be and that he will always love hiromi, then why did she choose to go after him knowing that she has no chance with him in hell? Why did she take the hard way? Why did she choose to love someone who won't return her feelings? How could you love someone who won't return your feelings? If she actually gave up on shin ,then she was just hurting herself by still having feelings for him I think I know the reason ,she wasn't seeking for true love but all this time ,her goal was to seek for pity love ,she chose to be second best(a replacement for hiromi)she knew deep down that he won't return her feelings but couldn't stop thinking about him unless she heard it out of his mouth that 's why she had gone through so much pain .shin was bad for aiko not because he's bad but because of what she was doing to herself and her life for the sake of getting to him (impossible love) …which was pure torture -.-…nabuse worked so hard for ai-chan ..i know some ppl will say she isn't rlly deserving of him but if she want's to prove to hersilf and him that she's worthy of he's love ..then why not start over ..she doesn't want nabuse to face that painful experiance she had with shin and want's to make it up to him ..

as for noe -i agree noe shouidn't blame herself for what happened ..she had nothing to do with it ..she didnt hurt anybody ..did she ?and yes i didn't like the fact that noe had to be a scrifise for hiromi,shin ending ..i mean i understand them building the theme of her tears but they didn't have to torture her like this ...it was too much for her to take and jun made it worst but still she got her tears and her friends

i never hated hiromi (not one bit )i can ttly undertand where she's coming from ..she was hurting herself like aiko but was also protecting shin from falling inlove with his own sister .i understand that she hid so much ,tortured herself and shin but it was beacuse she hated herself so much ...the mum was bitch to her but i was happy when she let out all that suffering ...


well i understand about what you said tha ai-chan felt cuz when your in-love even if you know you'll be rejected you will just keep telling yourself that there is a chance and eventually you'll forget about about it and start doing it like it natural but i admired her courage to still tell shin about what she felt if she had not done that she would collapse from the pain of not accepting that her love will never be returned well you can say she's unlucky with shin but she got very lucky with nobuse i mean he denied it many times when ai-chan wanted to break up with him and avoided it many times cuz he doesn't want to lose to shin and eventually got tried of running away and accepted ai-chan's decision and for ai-chan she offered him a second chance to start again or should i say nobuse gave her a second chance cuz after your girlfriend left you for your longtime bestfriend and when got rejected wants you back it's really rare for a guy to start again with a girl even if the guy really loves the girl so ai-chan got a happy life because of nobuse kindness

well i watch it again and kinda thought maybe it was better that noe didn't get any lover in the end if she had one she wouldn't get her tears back cuz she cried when she saw what shin wrote when he asked her out she cried when she remembered that that thing occured and shin asked her to go out that shin loved her even it was a short while she will remember it for the rest of her life that even though she got dumped he still asked her out and fell in love with her
and because of that her personality change she made some friends and got a new and bright life and she is sure to have a nice future

well at hiromi's case it was a big misunderstanding when shin mother told her that she and shin are siblings it totally crushed her and forced her to forget about her feelings for shin and never get close to him she just blamed her self for falling inlove with shin which she thought was her brother
and it's hard for me to blame shin's mother cuz i totally understand her part she was just like hiromi when she was jelous of hiromi's mom cuz shin's mother and hiromi's mother i can tell that their realationship is just like hiromi and noe she was just angry that her husband fell in love with his bestfriend wife even just a bit
you know when hiromi was moving out of shin house she talked to shin dad it's just a hunch but when she asked him
"did you really?" he just nodded i think what she was about to ask was "did you really loved my mother"

but that's all the most important things that they got what they deserved



i think that out of all the three girls aiko loved him the most and was supressing her feelings for a very long time way before hiromi found out that they might be siblings..if aiko was lying and torturing herself for all these years then her love for shin was100% unhealthy and desperate and yes ur right aiko's love for shin had the potential to make her go yendere and kill shin and i woudn't blame her for her action at ep 7 she was devestated an d desperate ..poor girl she even had to abandon her deginty and yes aiko has bad luck with shin but it was her destiny /fate and she was bound to be a failer/loser from the begining and she had a sence of all this whichis why she tried to hide from her friend ..is it beacuse she feels empty ?her love for shin couidn't make her happy ,nabuse's coudn't make her happy ...something hurts her so bad that it doesn't matter anymore .and yes nabuse is rare and other guys wouidn't have done what he did ..i'm not sure if the writers meant to give them both happiness or it just for nabuse ..but still i wouidn't want aiko to be a lone (she already is )and she couid go crazy ,she's already had a terrible life been in love with shin(i'm surpised at those who were rooting for her ,her love for shin is unhealthy) will she be able to forget her horrible past with shin ?it will take time but she'll get over it .it will be easier for her to let go of shin if she stays away from him and nabuse will be by her side and give her all the love she needs and didn’t get when she was in love with shin, he'll try his best to make up to her losses and make her happy .I don't think she choose to settle for nabuse .she found the one ,she finally discovered true love standing right in front after she was pursing something impossible for years but she will still suffer from the guilt and it might haunt her for the rest of her life (she hasn't told nabuse a bout the kiss).either ways ,she won't be fully satisfied or happy weather it's with shin or nabuse ,they will always be this 'why did I do this 'on her mind as long as stays with nabuse ..u couid say that aiko's a sicrifising girl ..if she truly wanted to forget she wouid have travel to another country loll but she chose not to forget ..sad girl with a sad fate and a sad life full of regret ,lies, and guilt ...i pity her a lot ..

i agree with u on noe but stil they couid have given her tears of happiness instead of tears of sadness but yeah it can make sense ..in order for her to get back her tears and go back to how she was before her grandma died losing shin (loved one )was a MUST ..this is kinda like when u lose ur memory because u saw something that made u go on truma and then it happens agin and then u become well same thing with noe ...i still don't get why noe fans r upset though-.-but still noe had it very hard ...


as for hiromi ,yes she was trying so hard to not just stay a way from shin but forget him as well and it's was very tragic ..u couid feel her pain ..as for the mum ..i understand her stuation and that she was angry and all but why did she lie to hiromi ?



well i think all the girls love for shin was to the same extent it's and hiromi loved shin since they were children when the flashback showed when shin played with hiromi and hiromi lost her sandals then shin took his and they walked with just 1 pair of sandals hiromi loved shin starting that day so i can tell ai-chan and hiromi were the ones that deserve shin the most and not leaving behind noe she was loved by shin for just a short time
and you can tell noe's fate is tragic but ai-chan's fate was even more tragic and shin didn't even look at her as a woman she was 1 of the girls who loved shin for a long but shin never had interest in her maybe she thought it was unfair cuz she knows shin likes hiromi and was also jelous of noe cuz shin just met her recently so that's why she broke her silence and confessed to shin even though she knew the results but i think she will fall in love with nobuse cuz she wouldn't tell him to start over if she doesn't like him 1 bit

and for hiromi's mom she probably told the lie cuz she knew that hiromi and shin liked each other and knowing her status her husband once loved a wife of another and hiromi was the daughter of that woman so she said that cuz she want revenge to that woman but she died so she could only take out her anger on hiromi who was clueless



i agree that all girls loved him very much but noe's love and hiromi 's love(they're not siblings after all) was much more healther than aiko's love.aiko's love was unhealthy and full of lies(screwed love)..she lied for years ,hiromi lied for one year and had gd reasons to lie,ai was just afraid ,desperate and i guess she was lonely .i also noticed that she's the most conflicted person on the show ,she fight's many conflicts with her feelings, she has a conflict between her love for shin and not wanting to hurt nabuse by pursing shin, she has a conflict between her feelings for shin and having to accept his future with hiromi ,she has a conflict between her feelings for shin and having to live with the fact that he won't return her feelings ,she has a conflict between her feelings for shin and not wanting their sister/brother relationship to fade ,she has a conflict on weather what she's doing is right or wrong ,she has a conflict (the main one)between her feelings for shin and nabuse feelings or her .even though one side of her wants' to love nabuse the other side wants to leave nabuse because he's a burden on her hearts ..both him and shin were burden to her heart ..she had guilt from both sides(too much guilt)out of all the girls ,she's probably the most tragic one of them although hiromi and noe are very tragic characters and were in much worst situation but they were not as real as her ,she felt more tragic to me because she was real and her situation was more of a destiny /fate thing ,hiromi situation was tragic but it was all a lie and she was destined to be happy and be with shin anyway .it'll be more tragic if it was actually the truth ,noe situation was tragic and very painful but it wasn't that realistic . aiko's situation was tragic and realistic because it involved destiny and fate and he never looked at her or gave her the pity love she wanted and it had a relastic theme moving on from on from ur first love which sometimes can be a diseas.even though she got a happy ending it was the because the writers wanted happiness for nabuse and not her ..how can she be happy when she feels guilty ?i'm not sure what she meant by starting over ?as FRIENDS or is planning to date him ?can u answer this for me ?

i think that hiromi's mum and shin's dad didn't even have an affair ,but maybe he had a thing for hiromi's mum i wonder though where's hiromi's dad in all of this ?

oh yeah , did grandma knew of jun siscon ?



well i think aiko want to get over shin so she told nobuse to start over again maybe like the first time they met when they were friends frist and nobuse will ask her out i think that's what she ment by starting over


and i'm sure shin's dad and hiromi's mom did have an affair when hiromi found the picture of the yuasa's with shin parent with her mother burned from the picture shin's mom burned that part that means there was something that happened between the 2 of them that's where i base my thinking


and i don't think noe's grandmother knew about jun's feelings but i can tell that jun hates his grandmother



well this is all the answers i can give to you




so aiko wants to go back to nabuse ,she'd still feel guilty though ,nabuse's main problem was that he fill in love with a messed up girl who'sn't rlly happy with herself or her life even though he tried so much ,he still coudn't make her happy with his great loving ,her love for shin coudn't make her happy ..she just coudn't be happy weather it was shin or nabuse beacuse of her fate..

maybe it was a missunderstanding ,i don't thinik that shin's father is the type of person to cheat on his wife ..

why does junhate his grandmather?


well maybe she just wanted to get over shin just like i said earlier but look on the bright side what if she will love nobuse cuz she's very lucky with nobuse cuz he accepted her back after all she've done


and i can tell shin's dad did really cheat cuz it's like he doesn't love his wife anymore look at how he's acting to her and to hiromi he also cares for hiromi like his own daughter cuz usually when your friends daughter came living with you you'll treat her as your guest not as your own blood relative i mean you usually treat her as a family but not to close


i dunno but you see when noe told shin her grandmother took her tears ayaw ther was a flashback when her grandmother was dying and noe was crying jun told his grandmother and noe get away from each other


i am looking at the bright side and i agree with u that she's trying to get over shin and she will fall in love with nabuse but it will be better if she just forgot both guys but she chose to not forget by wanting to go back to nabuse and i don't think she choose to settle for nabuse as well .she found the one ,she finally discovered true love standing right in front after she was pursing something impossible for years but she will still suffer from the guilt and it might haunt her for the rest of her life .either ways ,she won't be fully satisfied or happy weather it's with shin or nabuse ,they will always be this 'why did I do this 'on her mind there's no way she can not feel guilty .as for the stuff she did ,i understand she made too many mistakes and made some bad choices but i don't think she's a bad person at all.(they all made mistakes).she did all what she did beacuse of shin ,i'm not one of those who wouid say 'she shouid just burn in hell ' she still made great choices at the end ..for me the actions she did was more of a self- sacrifising just like nabuse..nabuse did things for aiko and she did things for shin ..and i know that many wanted a happy ending for her because of nabuse and not her(not sure of ur one of those though)the question is - was it better for her to end up a lone or with nabuse ?some ppl said that the ending for her and nabuse felt forced ,did she just have a sudden change of heart ? was it right for ai to end with nabuse ?many aiko-haters ask these questions and i disagree with them because many ppl view the situation from nabuse point and not aiko .nabuse was a victim but aiko was a victim even more ..nabuse was a winner either ways and he didn't waste his time for nothing but she wasted herself for someone she knew she might not be able to get .to be honest with u i felt for her a bit more than nabuse cuz they'll be guilt in both realtionship weather she ended up with shin or nabuse..even if ppl r happy that nabuse ended up with his girl ..it doesn't mean that she's fully happy she will find happiness in time but not too soon ..the ending felt more like nabuse is happy and she's not end ....

cheat as in he went on dates with her but i don't think that they had an affair and i don't think that he hates his wife and of cource he thinks of hiromi as his daughter ..she's his bestfriend daughter ..but yeah ..he saw how his wife treated hiromi ,why didn't he say anything ?

as for jun ,he was jsut trying to pull his sister so she wouid just stop crying ,and yeah i don't think that he's close with his grandmother because she knows his secret ?

oh yeah , there's a dram CD for the show..


well you said that she'd be better alone well that good but it sort of mean running away from guilt that she didn't make a move and hurted nobuse and for forcing herself on shin and considering her personality she won't run away that she would rather get her than be called a coward for running away from something like that but time will pass by and she'll eventually forget about shin considering hiromi is going-out with shin and she's aquaintance with hiromi she'll just feel guilty but just forget and i think she'll love nobuse in a year or two and BLUNTLY SAYING SHE LOVED SHIN FOR MANY YEARS SO A YEAR OR TO WONT HURT well just kidding about that i'm sure she'll find happiness

well maybe shin's dad and hiromi's mom feelings were just mutual and didn't go out on dates or something and he doesn't LITERALLY hates his wife but it seem he lost some feelings for her and shin's mom wants it back and i think that problem was solved even before hiromi moved in and he did say anything about hiromi he said "HIROMI IS ALSO OUR CHILD SO PLEASE TREAT HIM LIKE YOU TREAT SHIN" and she replied "SHE'S NOT MY CHILD" well it's not very convicing on shin"s father"s part

maybe but to think ots was really obvious that he liked his sister if you look closely at jun's part




i agree with u on how treats hiromi's mum ..and yes i blame the him as well ..why didn't he say anything a bout the situation with him an hiromi's mum ?this show is full of lies ..LOL...he cheated on his wife because she didn't have a daughter ?and that why he thinks of hiormi as his own daughter cuz he doesn't have one ?

i know that jun loved noe ...but he didn't rlly think it was ok to fall in love with his sister though ...




well said i realized that just now well i pity her too cuz she was just lying to herself and every one hurted someone not involve before(nobuse) but maybe be things would have been better if she told shin earlier about her feelings and about sekai at least she made makoto love her even for a while but i don't anything similar to 2 of them cuz sekai was 1 of the main heroines of school days and ai-chan was just a side character


well i didn't really hate him it's not his fault for having feeling for his best friend's wife abd i think they he got over that a long time ago that's why he didn't metion it and i don't think he cheated on his wife cuz he doesn't have a daughter it's just that he sees hiromi's mom in her



well i agree he did think i was wrong to fall in love with his sister that why he never told her i mean anyone would feel guilty for falling inlove with your sibling



I have to disagree with u on her standing a chance if she confessed earlier ..i also noticed that in most harems it's always the childhood friend/sister type who loses/freaks and the one with the desperate unrequited love and the ones who make the most mistakes more than the other girls (like kai ,keade )..hiromi was a childhood friend but not a sister ..It's not that her chances were small, I'd rather say she didn't stand a chance to begin with...Shin would still reject her to her great frustration weather she was dating or not dating nabuse..She was living in a dream and couldn't wake up .no matter how much she wanted shin …u can't always get what u want...That's life, she is a realist and needed to move on and I'm sure she had a sense of all this and I'm sure she wouldn't have confessed and kissed him if noe wasn't there ..aiko was there to be rejected and to lose(that was her purpose )but she was a fraid and didn't want to face it cuz she knew it was coming all along ..she didn't think that it was impossible for shin to love her that's why she went after him..as for sekai ..i know that she is a main character and that aiko is just a side character but they do have some similer things but they're different in many otherways..don't get me wrong ..both payed the price by not been honest with themselves ...yes ,she made mokoto fall in love with her BUT did he love her the same way she did cuz it seems like she was a sex tool for him and at the end he chose katanoha over her so she was unlucky ..i dunno i've seen many ppl comparing both girls ..sekia is hated by many ppl but i dunno why (i like her chracter and i felt for her more than katanoha at the end) same goes for aiko ..


as for the dad ..i agree with u thanb he does see hiromi's mum on her ...but he shouid've worked things out with his wife but i don't blame him...


jun was just trying to pull himself from his sister ..that's why he made go out with shin ..i guess

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shin and hiromi still ended up with each other but its kinda disappointing they should have made up a longer series


u wanted him to be with noe?


well i liked hiromi at first but i like noe more than her
noe's atitude might be weird but it got some unique good points


i liked all the characters in that show and i didn't care for the ending ..it's hard to dislike any chracter from that show ..
do u dislike any ?


well if you ask me its probably jun noe's brother
I mean he fell in love with his sister and ask shin to go out with her
he should have been honest right from the start


i feel for jun although i dun rlly fancy him that much cuz of his siscon and he's bit of a bastard anyway still i don't hate him ,he didnt tell noe i guess because he was afraid that noe will be in a much worst situation than she already is

i hated that mum of his but at the end i didnt rlly hate her that much.i mean i understand her anger and all but still she shouid've never lied to that poor girl.

i liked all the girls but my fav was love- sick Ai-chan,i know that she made mistakes more than hiromi and screwed ,hurted both herself and nabuse,lyed to shin,nabuse and herself for years and i understand that to many she might not be as likeable because she's a realist but
i felt sad for her,she was so helplessly attracted to shin that she wouid do ANYTHING to get to him to the point that wanted to attempt sexual advance on him and abandon her dignity(it was heartbreaken) she kept on clinging to that tiny shred of hope for so long such a hoplessly thin to do even though she knew that her love will never be answered and that chances were less than zero and she was bound to be a failer/loser(desperate,unhealty love) .it was her struggle against destiny.i gree that she got little screen time but i dont think she was pointless.poor girl never stood a chance despite goin through so much for shin for shin.

hiromi and noe were great character as well.both went through so much hardships and pain but why torture my noe like this TT.hiromi truly deserves what she got at the end.

nabuse-two words-THE MAN
i'm happy for him and ai-chan.he went through much labour for ai and it was painful for him to deal with her feelings .
didnt even blame his friend

shin-i liked him,he's one of the better male harem and i think he deserves a break from all the hate he's gettin
his stuation was harder than most harem guys in those unrelastic harem animes.and he shouidnt be compared to other harem guys those three girls were not so normal and were sufferin/highly self -infected and very conflicted/sad girls than most happy,ecchie girls in animes like lovehina,green green that's why it was so hard for him when it came to hiromi and noe still i hated the fact that he was indesive towords both hiromi and aiko and settim them up on dates with other guys even though it was out of kindness and i hated that stupid exchange he made with jun but i like his character.

























well i like your opinion and i also like ai-chan
as well nobuse especially there story..............


but for jun his personality weren't that bad but those attitude just came out of the wrong time


and for noe it's much better if she found someonr else




i liked the side story more than the main one ....it was very painful watching aiko and nabuse ..both were hurting eachother very much ..aiko coudn't be happy with nabuse beacuse as much as she wanted to love him ,he was a burden to her heart ..it was painful how she was chasing after shin even though she knew that she was bound to be a failer/loser she was never happy and it seem like as the years went on her love for shin was becoming a burden to her heart rather than something special and she wanted to get rid of it and the fact that she had to let out her feeling to him forcefully showed just how unhealthy/unhappy person she was even with nabuse pampering her..nabuse's great loving was never enough ..She needed something so badly and nabuse couldn’t relief her ..it was heartbreaking watching nabuse being in denail and not wanting to leave aiko and he didn't even blame he's friend and he rlly loved ai-chan so much to the point that he even wanted to numb himself from the pain .when they're together i feel sorry for both of them .

as for jun i hate his attiude ,he was cold to everyone but noe ..but i felt sorry for him..

poooor noe..didn't deserve what happened to her ...her grandma ,shin and her brother with her state ...why torture noe like this ..it upsets me..noe will find what truly makes her happy one day ..

i guess u couid say that all three girls are extermely tragic/sympathetic characters.heromi had a tragic past and was forbidden to be with the person she loved .noe lost the most precious thing 'her tears' and lost her loved ones (her grandmother,shin and jun).aiko fell deeply in love and was blinded with the wrong person and was always destined to fail and lose everything because of that vital love.heromi is able to smile a gain even though she still effected by her past and aiko found the one who will truly make her happy even though she still lives with a broken heart and still suffering from the guilt .noe is deeply heartbroken but at least she got her tears back and made new friends ..not the best end for these girls but at least they're able to smile a gain which what this show was all about ...





well for ai-chan and nobuse i actually felt bad for them aiko supressed her own feelings thinking that it would go away one day
but continues to break her heart and was forced to date with nobuse because she doesn't want to ruined nobuse and shin's friendship
and for nobuse he's really a reable frie just like you said he didn't blame shin but rather kept their problem from shin and ased himself to be cursed but it's kindda happy for them to still end up with one another

and for noe who happened to have the most cruel fate she blamed herself for hurting everyone by not realizing their feeling which she had no idea about so for my opinion she shouldn't be sorry
but she still loved shin in spite of that she endured just watching from a distance and tried to kill herself but tnx to shin she only broke her leg
i mean she doesn't deserve for her grandmother to die
for her tears to be taken away, to be dated for a short time
and know her brother loves him more than a sibling

and for hiromi she's reallt difficult to read she's unlike the other anime character where you could easily tell if
she-likes-who and predict what will happen but hiromi is really different
at first i want for her to be with shin but when she told her bestfriend she likes jun i kinda liked noe more than her and began
irratated by her actions and when the end finally came i liked her again that's what i ilke about this anime is very unpredictable



ur right a bout aiko .she wanted to forget a bout shin but at the same time she had this maybe' he wouid love me back ' going through her head ' if she accepted the fact that a future for her and shin can never be and that he will always love hiromi, then why did she choose to go after him knowing that she has no chance with him in hell? Why did she take the hard way? Why did she choose to love someone who won't return her feelings? How could you love someone who won't return your feelings? If she actually gave up on shin ,then she was just hurting herself by still having feelings for him I think I know the reason ,she wasn't seeking for true love but all this time ,her goal was to seek for pity love ,she chose to be second best(a replacement for hiromi)she knew deep down that he won't return her feelings but couldn't stop thinking about him unless she heard it out of his mouth that 's why she had gone through so much pain .shin was bad for aiko not because he's bad but because of what she was doing to herself and her life for the sake of getting to him (impossible love) …which was pure torture -.-…nabuse worked so hard for ai-chan ..i know some ppl will say she isn't rlly deserving of him but if she want's to prove to hersilf and him that she's worthy of he's love ..then why not start over ..she doesn't want nabuse to face that painful experiance she had with shin and want's to make it up to him ..

as for noe -i agree noe shouidn't blame herself for what happened ..she had nothing to do with it ..she didnt hurt anybody ..did she ?and yes i didn't like the fact that noe had to be a scrifise for hiromi,shin ending ..i mean i understand them building the theme of her tears but they didn't have to torture her like this ...it was too much for her to take and jun made it worst but still she got her tears and her friends

i never hated hiromi (not one bit )i can ttly undertand where she's coming from ..she was hurting herself like aiko but was also protecting shin from falling inlove with his own sister .i understand that she hid so much ,tortured herself and shin but it was beacuse she hated herself so much ...the mum was bitch to her but i was happy when she let out all that suffering ...


well i understand about what you said tha ai-chan felt cuz when your in-love even if you know you'll be rejected you will just keep telling yourself that there is a chance and eventually you'll forget about about it and start doing it like it natural but i admired her courage to still tell shin about what she felt if she had not done that she would collapse from the pain of not accepting that her love will never be returned well you can say she's unlucky with shin but she got very lucky with nobuse i mean he denied it many times when ai-chan wanted to break up with him and avoided it many times cuz he doesn't want to lose to shin and eventually got tried of running away and accepted ai-chan's decision and for ai-chan she offered him a second chance to start again or should i say nobuse gave her a second chance cuz after your girlfriend left you for your longtime bestfriend and when got rejected wants you back it's really rare for a guy to start again with a girl even if the guy really loves the girl so ai-chan got a happy life because of nobuse kindness

well i watch it again and kinda thought maybe it was better that noe didn't get any lover in the end if she had one she wouldn't get her tears back cuz she cried when she saw what shin wrote when he asked her out she cried when she remembered that that thing occured and shin asked her to go out that shin loved her even it was a short while she will remember it for the rest of her life that even though she got dumped he still asked her out and fell in love with her
and because of that her personality change she made some friends and got a new and bright life and she is sure to have a nice future

well at hiromi's case it was a big misunderstanding when shin mother told her that she and shin are siblings it totally crushed her and forced her to forget about her feelings for shin and never get close to him she just blamed her self for falling inlove with shin which she thought was her brother
and it's hard for me to blame shin's mother cuz i totally understand her part she was just like hiromi when she was jelous of hiromi's mom cuz shin's mother and hiromi's mother i can tell that their realationship is just like hiromi and noe she was just angry that her husband fell in love with his bestfriend wife even just a bit
you know when hiromi was moving out of shin house she talked to shin dad it's just a hunch but when she asked him
"did you really?" he just nodded i think what she was about to ask was "did you really loved my mother"

but that's all the most important things that they got what they deserved



i think that out of all the three girls aiko loved him the most and was supressing her feelings for a very long time way before hiromi found out that they might be siblings..if aiko was lying and torturing herself for all these years then her love for shin was100% unhealthy and desperate and yes ur right aiko's love for shin had the potential to make her go yendere and kill shin and i woudn't blame her for her action at ep 7 she was devestated an d desperate ..poor girl she even had to abandon her deginty and yes aiko has bad luck with shin but it was her destiny /fate and she was bound to be a failer/loser from the begining and she had a sence of all this whichis why she tried to hide from her friend ..is it beacuse she feels empty ?her love for shin couidn't make her happy ,nabuse's coudn't make her happy ...something hurts her so bad that it doesn't matter anymore .and yes nabuse is rare and other guys wouidn't have done what he did ..i'm not sure if the writers meant to give them both happiness or it just for nabuse ..but still i wouidn't want aiko to be a lone (she already is )and she couid go crazy ,she's already had a terrible life been in love with shin(i'm surpised at those who were rooting for her ,her love for shin is unhealthy) will she be able to forget her horrible past with shin ?it will take time but she'll get over it .it will be easier for her to let go of shin if she stays away from him and nabuse will be by her side and give her all the love she needs and didn’t get when she was in love with shin, he'll try his best to make up to her losses and make her happy .I don't think she choose to settle for nabuse .she found the one ,she finally discovered true love standing right in front after she was pursing something impossible for years but she will still suffer from the guilt and it might haunt her for the rest of her life (she hasn't told nabuse a bout the kiss).either ways ,she won't be fully satisfied or happy weather it's with shin or nabuse ,they will always be this 'why did I do this 'on her mind as long as stays with nabuse ..u couid say that aiko's a sicrifising girl ..if she truly wanted to forget she wouid have travel to another country loll but she chose not to forget ..sad girl with a sad fate and a sad life full of regret ,lies, and guilt ...i pity her a lot ..

i agree with u on noe but stil they couid have given her tears of happiness instead of tears of sadness but yeah it can make sense ..in order for her to get back her tears and go back to how she was before her grandma died losing shin (loved one )was a MUST ..this is kinda like when u lose ur memory because u saw something that made u go on truma and then it happens agin and then u become well same thing with noe ...i still don't get why noe fans r upset though-.-but still noe had it very hard ...


as for hiromi ,yes she was trying so hard to not just stay a way from shin but forget him as well and it's was very tragic ..u couid feel her pain ..as for the mum ..i understand her stuation and that she was angry and all but why did she lie to hiromi ?



well i think all the girls love for shin was to the same extent it's and hiromi loved shin since they were children when the flashback showed when shin played with hiromi and hiromi lost her sandals then shin took his and they walked with just 1 pair of sandals hiromi loved shin starting that day so i can tell ai-chan and hiromi were the ones that deserve shin the most and not leaving behind noe she was loved by shin for just a short time
and you can tell noe's fate is tragic but ai-chan's fate was even more tragic and shin didn't even look at her as a woman she was 1 of the girls who loved shin for a long but shin never had interest in her maybe she thought it was unfair cuz she knows shin likes hiromi and was also jelous of noe cuz shin just met her recently so that's why she broke her silence and confessed to shin even though she knew the results but i think she will fall in love with nobuse cuz she wouldn't tell him to start over if she doesn't like him 1 bit

and for hiromi's mom she probably told the lie cuz she knew that hiromi and shin liked each other and knowing her status her husband once loved a wife of another and hiromi was the daughter of that woman so she said that cuz she want revenge to that woman but she died so she could only take out her anger on hiromi who was clueless



i agree that all girls loved him very much but noe's love and hiromi 's love(they're not siblings after all) was much more healther than aiko's love.aiko's love was unhealthy and full of lies(screwed love)..she lied for years ,hiromi lied for one year and had gd reasons to lie,ai was just afraid ,desperate and i guess she was lonely .i also noticed that she's the most conflicted person on the show ,she fight's many conflicts with her feelings, she has a conflict between her love for shin and not wanting to hurt nabuse by pursing shin, she has a conflict between her feelings for shin and having to accept his future with hiromi ,she has a conflict between her feelings for shin and having to live with the fact that he won't return her feelings ,she has a conflict between her feelings for shin and not wanting their sister/brother relationship to fade ,she has a conflict on weather what she's doing is right or wrong ,she has a conflict (the main one)between her feelings for shin and nabuse feelings or her .even though one side of her wants' to love nabuse the other side wants to leave nabuse because he's a burden on her hearts ..both him and shin were burden to her heart ..she had guilt from both sides(too much guilt)out of all the girls ,she's probably the most tragic one of them although hiromi and noe are very tragic characters and were in much worst situation but they were not as real as her ,she felt more tragic to me because she was real and her situation was more of a destiny /fate thing ,hiromi situation was tragic but it was all a lie and she was destined to be happy and be with shin anyway .it'll be more tragic if it was actually the truth ,noe situation was tragic and very painful but it wasn't that realistic . aiko's situation was tragic and realistic because it involved destiny and fate and he never looked at her or gave her the pity love she wanted and it had a relastic theme moving on from on from ur first love which sometimes can be a diseas.even though she got a happy ending it was the because the writers wanted happiness for nabuse and not her ..how can she be happy when she feels guilty ?i'm not sure what she meant by starting over ?as FRIENDS or is planning to date him ?can u answer this for me ?

i think that hiromi's mum and shin's dad didn't even have an affair ,but maybe he had a thing for hiromi's mum i wonder though where's hiromi's dad in all of this ?

oh yeah , did grandma knew of jun siscon ?



well i think aiko want to get over shin so she told nobuse to start over again maybe like the first time they met when they were friends frist and nobuse will ask her out i think that's what she ment by starting over


and i'm sure shin's dad and hiromi's mom did have an affair when hiromi found the picture of the yuasa's with shin parent with her mother burned from the picture shin's mom burned that part that means there was something that happened between the 2 of them that's where i base my thinking


and i don't think noe's grandmother knew about jun's feelings but i can tell that jun hates his grandmother



well this is all the answers i can give to you




so aiko wants to go back to nabuse ,she'd still feel guilty though ,nabuse's main problem was that he fill in love with a messed up girl who'sn't rlly happy with herself or her life even though he tried so much ,he still coudn't make her happy with his great loving ,her love for shin coudn't make her happy ..she just coudn't be happy weather it was shin or nabuse beacuse of her fate..

maybe it was a missunderstanding ,i don't thinik that shin's father is the type of person to cheat on his wife ..

why does junhate his grandmather?


well maybe she just wanted to get over shin just like i said earlier but look on the bright side what if she will love nobuse cuz she's very lucky with nobuse cuz he accepted her back after all she've done


and i can tell shin's dad did really cheat cuz it's like he doesn't love his wife anymore look at how he's acting to her and to hiromi he also cares for hiromi like his own daughter cuz usually when your friends daughter came living with you you'll treat her as your guest not as your own blood relative i mean you usually treat her as a family but not to close


i dunno but you see when noe told shin her grandmother took her tears ayaw ther was a flashback when her grandmother was dying and noe was crying jun told his grandmother and noe get away from each other


i am looking at the bright side and i agree with u that she's trying to get over shin and she will fall in love with nabuse but it will be better if she just forgot both guys but she chose to not forget by wanting to go back to nabuse and i don't think she choose to settle for nabuse as well .she found the one ,she finally discovered true love standing right in front after she was pursing something impossible for years but she will still suffer from the guilt and it might haunt her for the rest of her life .either ways ,she won't be fully satisfied or happy weather it's with shin or nabuse ,they will always be this 'why did I do this 'on her mind there's no way she can not feel guilty .as for the stuff she did ,i understand she made too many mistakes and made some bad choices but i don't think she's a bad person at all.(they all made mistakes).she did all what she did beacuse of shin ,i'm not one of those who wouid say 'she shouid just burn in hell ' she still made great choices at the end ..for me the actions she did was more of a self- sacrifising just like nabuse..nabuse did things for aiko and she did things for shin ..and i know that many wanted a happy ending for her because of nabuse and not her(not sure of ur one of those though)the question is - was it better for her to end up a lone or with nabuse ?some ppl said that the ending for her and nabuse felt forced ,did she just have a sudden change of heart ? was it right for ai to end with nabuse ?many aiko-haters ask these questions and i disagree with them because many ppl view the situation from nabuse point and not aiko .nabuse was a victim but aiko was a victim even more ..nabuse was a winner either ways and he didn't waste his time for nothing but she wasted herself for someone she knew she might not be able to get .to be honest with u i felt for her a bit more than nabuse cuz they'll be guilt in both realtionship weather she ended up with shin or nabuse..even if ppl r happy that nabuse ended up with his girl ..it doesn't mean that she's fully happy she will find happiness in time but not too soon ..the ending felt more like nabuse is happy and she's not end ....

cheat as in he went on dates with her but i don't think that they had an affair and i don't think that he hates his wife and of cource he thinks of hiromi as his daughter ..she's his bestfriend daughter ..but yeah ..he saw how his wife treated hiromi ,why didn't he say anything ?

as for jun ,he was jsut trying to pull his sister so she wouid just stop crying ,and yeah i don't think that he's close with his grandmother because she knows his secret ?

oh yeah , there's a dram CD for the show..


well you said that she'd be better alone well that good but it sort of mean running away from guilt that she didn't make a move and hurted nobuse and for forcing herself on shin and considering her personality she won't run away that she would rather get her than be called a coward for running away from something like that but time will pass by and she'll eventually forget about shin considering hiromi is going-out with shin and she's aquaintance with hiromi she'll just feel guilty but just forget and i think she'll love nobuse in a year or two and BLUNTLY SAYING SHE LOVED SHIN FOR MANY YEARS SO A YEAR OR TO WONT HURT well just kidding about that i'm sure she'll find happiness

well maybe shin's dad and hiromi's mom feelings were just mutual and didn't go out on dates or something and he doesn't LITERALLY hates his wife but it seem he lost some feelings for her and shin's mom wants it back and i think that problem was solved even before hiromi moved in and he did say anything about hiromi he said "HIROMI IS ALSO OUR CHILD SO PLEASE TREAT HIM LIKE YOU TREAT SHIN" and she replied "SHE'S NOT MY CHILD" well it's not very convicing on shin"s father"s part

maybe but to think ots was really obvious that he liked his sister if you look closely at jun's part




i agree with u on how treats hiromi's mum ..and yes i blame the him as well ..why didn't he say anything a bout the situation with him an hiromi's mum ?this show is full of lies ..LOL...he cheated on his wife because she didn't have a daughter ?and that why he thinks of hiormi as his own daughter cuz he doesn't have one ?

i know that jun loved noe ...but he didn't rlly think it was ok to fall in love with his sister though ...




well said i realized that just now well i pity her too cuz she was just lying to herself and every one hurted someone not involve before(nobuse) but maybe be things would have been better if she told shin earlier about her feelings and about sekai at least she made makoto love her even for a while but i don't anything similar to 2 of them cuz sekai was 1 of the main heroines of school days and ai-chan was just a side character


well i didn't really hate him it's not his fault for having feeling for his best friend's wife abd i think they he got over that a long time ago that's why he didn't metion it and i don't think he cheated on his wife cuz he doesn't have a daughter it's just that he sees hiromi's mom in her



well i agree he did think i was wrong to fall in love with his sister that why he never told her i mean anyone would feel guilty for falling inlove with your sibling



I have to disagree with u on her standing a chance if she confessed earlier ..i also noticed that in most harems it's always the childhood friend/sister type who loses/freaks and the one with the desperate unrequited love and the ones who make the most mistakes more than the other girls (like kai ,keade )..hiromi was a childhood friend but not a sister ..It's not that her chances were small, I'd rather say she didn't stand a chance to begin with...Shin would still reject her to her great frustration weather she was dating or not dating nabuse..She was living in a dream and couldn't wake up .no matter how much she wanted shin …u can't always get what u want...That's life, she is a realist and needed to move on and I'm sure she had a sense of all this and I'm sure she wouldn't have confessed and kissed him if noe wasn't there ..aiko was there to be rejected and to lose(that was her purpose )but she was a fraid and didn't want to face it cuz she knew it was coming all along ..she didn't think that it was impossible for shin to love her that's why she went after him..as for sekai ..i know that she is a main character and that aiko is just a side character but they do have some similer things but they're different in many otherways..don't get me wrong ..both payed the price by not been honest with themselves ...yes ,she made mokoto fall in love with her BUT did he love her the same way she did cuz it seems like she was a sex tool for him and at the end he chose katanoha over her so she was unlucky ..i dunno i've seen many ppl comparing both girls ..sekia is hated by many ppl but i dunno why (i like her chracter and i felt for her more than katanoha at the end) same goes for aiko ..


as for the dad ..i agree with u thanb he does see hiromi's mum on her ...but he shouid've worked things out with his wife but i don't blame him...


jun was just trying to pull himself from his sister ..that's why he made go out with shin ..i guess



well you said you were looking on the bright side but why not try looking on a brighter side cuz i think for ai-chan that she is a very strong person that no matter hiw many obstacle she faced she can overcome and your right harem girls like ai-chan usually loses but that's that she lost to hiromi cuz shin didn't look at her as a woman and you can't blame him cuz they have been friends for so long so he thinks as ai-chan like his big sister but for sekia yes she was a sex tool but didn't you think she was more like of noe cuz she made makoto fall inlove with her even for a while just like noe did to shin but he still picked hiromi at the end


well you can't blame him if he dont love his wife anymore


well i think he saw that noe had a crush on shin and he wanted her to go out with sin that why he asked shin
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shin and hiromi still ended up with each other but its kinda disappointing they should have made up a longer series


u wanted him to be with noe?


well i liked hiromi at first but i like noe more than her
noe's atitude might be weird but it got some unique good points


i liked all the characters in that show and i didn't care for the ending ..it's hard to dislike any chracter from that show ..
do u dislike any ?


well if you ask me its probably jun noe's brother
I mean he fell in love with his sister and ask shin to go out with her
he should have been honest right from the start


i feel for jun although i dun rlly fancy him that much cuz of his siscon and he's bit of a bastard anyway still i don't hate him ,he didnt tell noe i guess because he was afraid that noe will be in a much worst situation than she already is

i hated that mum of his but at the end i didnt rlly hate her that much.i mean i understand her anger and all but still she shouid've never lied to that poor girl.

i liked all the girls but my fav was love- sick Ai-chan,i know that she made mistakes more than hiromi and screwed ,hurted both herself and nabuse,lyed to shin,nabuse and herself for years and i understand that to many she might not be as likeable because she's a realist but
i felt sad for her,she was so helplessly attracted to shin that she wouid do ANYTHING to get to him to the point that wanted to attempt sexual advance on him and abandon her dignity(it was heartbreaken) she kept on clinging to that tiny shred of hope for so long such a hoplessly thin to do even though she knew that her love will never be answered and that chances were less than zero and she was bound to be a failer/loser(desperate,unhealty love) .it was her struggle against destiny.i gree that she got little screen time but i dont think she was pointless.poor girl never stood a chance despite goin through so much for shin for shin.

hiromi and noe were great character as well.both went through so much hardships and pain but why torture my noe like this TT.hiromi truly deserves what she got at the end.

nabuse-two words-THE MAN
i'm happy for him and ai-chan.he went through much labour for ai and it was painful for him to deal with her feelings .
didnt even blame his friend

shin-i liked him,he's one of the better male harem and i think he deserves a break from all the hate he's gettin
his stuation was harder than most harem guys in those unrelastic harem animes.and he shouidnt be compared to other harem guys those three girls were not so normal and were sufferin/highly self -infected and very conflicted/sad girls than most happy,ecchie girls in animes like lovehina,green green that's why it was so hard for him when it came to hiromi and noe still i hated the fact that he was indesive towords both hiromi and aiko and settim them up on dates with other guys even though it was out of kindness and i hated that stupid exchange he made with jun but i like his character.

























well i like your opinion and i also like ai-chan
as well nobuse especially there story..............


but for jun his personality weren't that bad but those attitude just came out of the wrong time


and for noe it's much better if she found someonr else




i liked the side story more than the main one ....it was very painful watching aiko and nabuse ..both were hurting eachother very much ..aiko coudn't be happy with nabuse beacuse as much as she wanted to love him ,he was a burden to her heart ..it was painful how she was chasing after shin even though she knew that she was bound to be a failer/loser she was never happy and it seem like as the years went on her love for shin was becoming a burden to her heart rather than something special and she wanted to get rid of it and the fact that she had to let out her feeling to him forcefully showed just how unhealthy/unhappy person she was even with nabuse pampering her..nabuse's great loving was never enough ..She needed something so badly and nabuse couldn’t relief her ..it was heartbreaking watching nabuse being in denail and not wanting to leave aiko and he didn't even blame he's friend and he rlly loved ai-chan so much to the point that he even wanted to numb himself from the pain .when they're together i feel sorry for both of them .

as for jun i hate his attiude ,he was cold to everyone but noe ..but i felt sorry for him..

poooor noe..didn't deserve what happened to her ...her grandma ,shin and her brother with her state ...why torture noe like this ..it upsets me..noe will find what truly makes her happy one day ..

i guess u couid say that all three girls are extermely tragic/sympathetic characters.heromi had a tragic past and was forbidden to be with the person she loved .noe lost the most precious thing 'her tears' and lost her loved ones (her grandmother,shin and jun).aiko fell deeply in love and was blinded with the wrong person and was always destined to fail and lose everything because of that vital love.heromi is able to smile a gain even though she still effected by her past and aiko found the one who will truly make her happy even though she still lives with a broken heart and still suffering from the guilt .noe is deeply heartbroken but at least she got her tears back and made new friends ..not the best end for these girls but at least they're able to smile a gain which what this show was all about ...





well for ai-chan and nobuse i actually felt bad for them aiko supressed her own feelings thinking that it would go away one day
but continues to break her heart and was forced to date with nobuse because she doesn't want to ruined nobuse and shin's friendship
and for nobuse he's really a reable frie just like you said he didn't blame shin but rather kept their problem from shin and ased himself to be cursed but it's kindda happy for them to still end up with one another

and for noe who happened to have the most cruel fate she blamed herself for hurting everyone by not realizing their feeling which she had no idea about so for my opinion she shouldn't be sorry
but she still loved shin in spite of that she endured just watching from a distance and tried to kill herself but tnx to shin she only broke her leg
i mean she doesn't deserve for her grandmother to die
for her tears to be taken away, to be dated for a short time
and know her brother loves him more than a sibling

and for hiromi she's reallt difficult to read she's unlike the other anime character where you could easily tell if
she-likes-who and predict what will happen but hiromi is really different
at first i want for her to be with shin but when she told her bestfriend she likes jun i kinda liked noe more than her and began
irratated by her actions and when the end finally came i liked her again that's what i ilke about this anime is very unpredictable



ur right a bout aiko .she wanted to forget a bout shin but at the same time she had this maybe' he wouid love me back ' going through her head ' if she accepted the fact that a future for her and shin can never be and that he will always love hiromi, then why did she choose to go after him knowing that she has no chance with him in hell? Why did she take the hard way? Why did she choose to love someone who won't return her feelings? How could you love someone who won't return your feelings? If she actually gave up on shin ,then she was just hurting herself by still having feelings for him I think I know the reason ,she wasn't seeking for true love but all this time ,her goal was to seek for pity love ,she chose to be second best(a replacement for hiromi)she knew deep down that he won't return her feelings but couldn't stop thinking about him unless she heard it out of his mouth that 's why she had gone through so much pain .shin was bad for aiko not because he's bad but because of what she was doing to herself and her life for the sake of getting to him (impossible love) …which was pure torture -.-…nabuse worked so hard for ai-chan ..i know some ppl will say she isn't rlly deserving of him but if she want's to prove to hersilf and him that she's worthy of he's love ..then why not start over ..she doesn't want nabuse to face that painful experiance she had with shin and want's to make it up to him ..

as for noe -i agree noe shouidn't blame herself for what happened ..she had nothing to do with it ..she didnt hurt anybody ..did she ?and yes i didn't like the fact that noe had to be a scrifise for hiromi,shin ending ..i mean i understand them building the theme of her tears but they didn't have to torture her like this ...it was too much for her to take and jun made it worst but still she got her tears and her friends

i never hated hiromi (not one bit )i can ttly undertand where she's coming from ..she was hurting herself like aiko but was also protecting shin from falling inlove with his own sister .i understand that she hid so much ,tortured herself and shin but it was beacuse she hated herself so much ...the mum was bitch to her but i was happy when she let out all that suffering ...


well i understand about what you said tha ai-chan felt cuz when your in-love even if you know you'll be rejected you will just keep telling yourself that there is a chance and eventually you'll forget about about it and start doing it like it natural but i admired her courage to still tell shin about what she felt if she had not done that she would collapse from the pain of not accepting that her love will never be returned well you can say she's unlucky with shin but she got very lucky with nobuse i mean he denied it many times when ai-chan wanted to break up with him and avoided it many times cuz he doesn't want to lose to shin and eventually got tried of running away and accepted ai-chan's decision and for ai-chan she offered him a second chance to start again or should i say nobuse gave her a second chance cuz after your girlfriend left you for your longtime bestfriend and when got rejected wants you back it's really rare for a guy to start again with a girl even if the guy really loves the girl so ai-chan got a happy life because of nobuse kindness

well i watch it again and kinda thought maybe it was better that noe didn't get any lover in the end if she had one she wouldn't get her tears back cuz she cried when she saw what shin wrote when he asked her out she cried when she remembered that that thing occured and shin asked her to go out that shin loved her even it was a short while she will remember it for the rest of her life that even though she got dumped he still asked her out and fell in love with her
and because of that her personality change she made some friends and got a new and bright life and she is sure to have a nice future

well at hiromi's case it was a big misunderstanding when shin mother told her that she and shin are siblings it totally crushed her and forced her to forget about her feelings for shin and never get close to him she just blamed her self for falling inlove with shin which she thought was her brother
and it's hard for me to blame shin's mother cuz i totally understand her part she was just like hiromi when she was jelous of hiromi's mom cuz shin's mother and hiromi's mother i can tell that their realationship is just like hiromi and noe she was just angry that her husband fell in love with his bestfriend wife even just a bit
you know when hiromi was moving out of shin house she talked to shin dad it's just a hunch but when she asked him
"did you really?" he just nodded i think what she was about to ask was "did you really loved my mother"

but that's all the most important things that they got what they deserved



i think that out of all the three girls aiko loved him the most and was supressing her feelings for a very long time way before hiromi found out that they might be siblings..if aiko was lying and torturing herself for all these years then her love for shin was100% unhealthy and desperate and yes ur right aiko's love for shin had the potential to make her go yendere and kill shin and i woudn't blame her for her action at ep 7 she was devestated an d desperate ..poor girl she even had to abandon her deginty and yes aiko has bad luck with shin but it was her destiny /fate and she was bound to be a failer/loser from the begining and she had a sence of all this whichis why she tried to hide from her friend ..is it beacuse she feels empty ?her love for shin couidn't make her happy ,nabuse's coudn't make her happy ...something hurts her so bad that it doesn't matter anymore .and yes nabuse is rare and other guys wouidn't have done what he did ..i'm not sure if the writers meant to give them both happiness or it just for nabuse ..but still i wouidn't want aiko to be a lone (she already is )and she couid go crazy ,she's already had a terrible life been in love with shin(i'm surpised at those who were rooting for her ,her love for shin is unhealthy) will she be able to forget her horrible past with shin ?it will take time but she'll get over it .it will be easier for her to let go of shin if she stays away from him and nabuse will be by her side and give her all the love she needs and didn’t get when she was in love with shin, he'll try his best to make up to her losses and make her happy .I don't think she choose to settle for nabuse .she found the one ,she finally discovered true love standing right in front after she was pursing something impossible for years but she will still suffer from the guilt and it might haunt her for the rest of her life (she hasn't told nabuse a bout the kiss).either ways ,she won't be fully satisfied or happy weather it's with shin or nabuse ,they will always be this 'why did I do this 'on her mind as long as stays with nabuse ..u couid say that aiko's a sicrifising girl ..if she truly wanted to forget she wouid have travel to another country loll but she chose not to forget ..sad girl with a sad fate and a sad life full of regret ,lies, and guilt ...i pity her a lot ..

i agree with u on noe but stil they couid have given her tears of happiness instead of tears of sadness but yeah it can make sense ..in order for her to get back her tears and go back to how she was before her grandma died losing shin (loved one )was a MUST ..this is kinda like when u lose ur memory because u saw something that made u go on truma and then it happens agin and then u become well same thing with noe ...i still don't get why noe fans r upset though-.-but still noe had it very hard ...


as for hiromi ,yes she was trying so hard to not just stay a way from shin but forget him as well and it's was very tragic ..u couid feel her pain ..as for the mum ..i understand her stuation and that she was angry and all but why did she lie to hiromi ?



well i think all the girls love for shin was to the same extent it's and hiromi loved shin since they were children when the flashback showed when shin played with hiromi and hiromi lost her sandals then shin took his and they walked with just 1 pair of sandals hiromi loved shin starting that day so i can tell ai-chan and hiromi were the ones that deserve shin the most and not leaving behind noe she was loved by shin for just a short time
and you can tell noe's fate is tragic but ai-chan's fate was even more tragic and shin didn't even look at her as a woman she was 1 of the girls who loved shin for a long but shin never had interest in her maybe she thought it was unfair cuz she knows shin likes hiromi and was also jelous of noe cuz shin just met her recently so that's why she broke her silence and confessed to shin even though she knew the results but i think she will fall in love with nobuse cuz she wouldn't tell him to start over if she doesn't like him 1 bit

and for hiromi's mom she probably told the lie cuz she knew that hiromi and shin liked each other and knowing her status her husband once loved a wife of another and hiromi was the daughter of that woman so she said that cuz she want revenge to that woman but she died so she could only take out her anger on hiromi who was clueless



i agree that all girls loved him very much but noe's love and hiromi 's love(they're not siblings after all) was much more healther than aiko's love.aiko's love was unhealthy and full of lies(screwed love)..she lied for years ,hiromi lied for one year and had gd reasons to lie,ai was just afraid ,desperate and i guess she was lonely .i also noticed that she's the most conflicted person on the show ,she fight's many conflicts with her feelings, she has a conflict between her love for shin and not wanting to hurt nabuse by pursing shin, she has a conflict between her feelings for shin and having to accept his future with hiromi ,she has a conflict between her feelings for shin and having to live with the fact that he won't return her feelings ,she has a conflict between her feelings for shin and not wanting their sister/brother relationship to fade ,she has a conflict on weather what she's doing is right or wrong ,she has a conflict (the main one)between her feelings for shin and nabuse feelings or her .even though one side of her wants' to love nabuse the other side wants to leave nabuse because he's a burden on her hearts ..both him and shin were burden to her heart ..she had guilt from both sides(too much guilt)out of all the girls ,she's probably the most tragic one of them although hiromi and noe are very tragic characters and were in much worst situation but they were not as real as her ,she felt more tragic to me because she was real and her situation was more of a destiny /fate thing ,hiromi situation was tragic but it was all a lie and she was destined to be happy and be with shin anyway .it'll be more tragic if it was actually the truth ,noe situation was tragic and very painful but it wasn't that realistic . aiko's situation was tragic and realistic because it involved destiny and fate and he never looked at her or gave her the pity love she wanted and it had a relastic theme moving on from on from ur first love which sometimes can be a diseas.even though she got a happy ending it was the because the writers wanted happiness for nabuse and not her ..how can she be happy when she feels guilty ?i'm not sure what she meant by starting over ?as FRIENDS or is planning to date him ?can u answer this for me ?

i think that hiromi's mum and shin's dad didn't even have an affair ,but maybe he had a thing for hiromi's mum i wonder though where's hiromi's dad in all of this ?

oh yeah , did grandma knew of jun siscon ?



well i think aiko want to get over shin so she told nobuse to start over again maybe like the first time they met when they were friends frist and nobuse will ask her out i think that's what she ment by starting over


and i'm sure shin's dad and hiromi's mom did have an affair when hiromi found the picture of the yuasa's with shin parent with her mother burned from the picture shin's mom burned that part that means there was something that happened between the 2 of them that's where i base my thinking


and i don't think noe's grandmother knew about jun's feelings but i can tell that jun hates his grandmother



well this is all the answers i can give to you




so aiko wants to go back to nabuse ,she'd still feel guilty though ,nabuse's main problem was that he fill in love with a messed up girl who'sn't rlly happy with herself or her life even though he tried so much ,he still coudn't make her happy with his great loving ,her love for shin coudn't make her happy ..she just coudn't be happy weather it was shin or nabuse beacuse of her fate..

maybe it was a missunderstanding ,i don't thinik that shin's father is the type of person to cheat on his wife ..

why does junhate his grandmather?


well maybe she just wanted to get over shin just like i said earlier but look on the bright side what if she will love nobuse cuz she's very lucky with nobuse cuz he accepted her back after all she've done


and i can tell shin's dad did really cheat cuz it's like he doesn't love his wife anymore look at how he's acting to her and to hiromi he also cares for hiromi like his own daughter cuz usually when your friends daughter came living with you you'll treat her as your guest not as your own blood relative i mean you usually treat her as a family but not to close


i dunno but you see when noe told shin her grandmother took her tears ayaw ther was a flashback when her grandmother was dying and noe was crying jun told his grandmother and noe get away from each other


i am looking at the bright side and i agree with u that she's trying to get over shin and she will fall in love with nabuse but it will be better if she just forgot both guys but she chose to not forget by wanting to go back to nabuse and i don't think she choose to settle for nabuse as well .she found the one ,she finally discovered true love standing right in front after she was pursing something impossible for years but she will still suffer from the guilt and it might haunt her for the rest of her life .either ways ,she won't be fully satisfied or happy weather it's with shin or nabuse ,they will always be this 'why did I do this 'on her mind there's no way she can not feel guilty .as for the stuff she did ,i understand she made too many mistakes and made some bad choices but i don't think she's a bad person at all.(they all made mistakes).she did all what she did beacuse of shin ,i'm not one of those who wouid say 'she shouid just burn in hell ' she still made great choices at the end ..for me the actions she did was more of a self- sacrifising just like nabuse..nabuse did things for aiko and she did things for shin ..and i know that many wanted a happy ending for her because of nabuse and not her(not sure of ur one of those though)the question is - was it better for her to end up a lone or with nabuse ?some ppl said that the ending for her and nabuse felt forced ,did she just have a sudden change of heart ? was it right for ai to end with nabuse ?many aiko-haters ask these questions and i disagree with them because many ppl view the situation from nabuse point and not aiko .nabuse was a victim but aiko was a victim even more ..nabuse was a winner either ways and he didn't waste his time for nothing but she wasted herself for someone she knew she might not be able to get .to be honest with u i felt for her a bit more than nabuse cuz they'll be guilt in both realtionship weather she ended up with shin or nabuse..even if ppl r happy that nabuse ended up with his girl ..it doesn't mean that she's fully happy she will find happiness in time but not too soon ..the ending felt more like nabuse is happy and she's not end ....

cheat as in he went on dates with her but i don't think that they had an affair and i don't think that he hates his wife and of cource he thinks of hiromi as his daughter ..she's his bestfriend daughter ..but yeah ..he saw how his wife treated hiromi ,why didn't he say anything ?

as for jun ,he was jsut trying to pull his sister so she wouid just stop crying ,and yeah i don't think that he's close with his grandmother because she knows his secret ?

oh yeah , there's a dram CD for the show..


well you said that she'd be better alone well that good but it sort of mean running away from guilt that she didn't make a move and hurted nobuse and for forcing herself on shin and considering her personality she won't run away that she would rather get her than be called a coward for running away from something like that but time will pass by and she'll eventually forget about shin considering hiromi is going-out with shin and she's aquaintance with hiromi she'll just feel guilty but just forget and i think she'll love nobuse in a year or two and BLUNTLY SAYING SHE LOVED SHIN FOR MANY YEARS SO A YEAR OR TO WONT HURT well just kidding about that i'm sure she'll find happiness

well maybe shin's dad and hiromi's mom feelings were just mutual and didn't go out on dates or something and he doesn't LITERALLY hates his wife but it seem he lost some feelings for her and shin's mom wants it back and i think that problem was solved even before hiromi moved in and he did say anything about hiromi he said "HIROMI IS ALSO OUR CHILD SO PLEASE TREAT HIM LIKE YOU TREAT SHIN" and she replied "SHE'S NOT MY CHILD" well it's not very convicing on shin"s father"s part

maybe but to think ots was really obvious that he liked his sister if you look closely at jun's part




i agree with u on how treats hiromi's mum ..and yes i blame the him as well ..why didn't he say anything a bout the situation with him an hiromi's mum ?this show is full of lies ..LOL...he cheated on his wife because she didn't have a daughter ?and that why he thinks of hiormi as his own daughter cuz he doesn't have one ?

i know that jun loved noe ...but he didn't rlly think it was ok to fall in love with his sister though ...




well said i realized that just now well i pity her too cuz she was just lying to herself and every one hurted someone not involve before(nobuse) but maybe be things would have been better if she told shin earlier about her feelings and about sekai at least she made makoto love her even for a while but i don't anything similar to 2 of them cuz sekai was 1 of the main heroines of school days and ai-chan was just a side character


well i didn't really hate him it's not his fault for having feeling for his best friend's wife abd i think they he got over that a long time ago that's why he didn't metion it and i don't think he cheated on his wife cuz he doesn't have a daughter it's just that he sees hiromi's mom in her



well i agree he did think i was wrong to fall in love with his sister that why he never told her i mean anyone would feel guilty for falling inlove with your sibling



I have to disagree with u on her standing a chance if she confessed earlier ..i also noticed that in most harems it's always the childhood friend/sister type who loses/freaks and the one with the desperate unrequited love and the ones who make the most mistakes more than the other girls (like kai ,keade )..hiromi was a childhood friend but not a sister ..It's not that her chances were small, I'd rather say she didn't stand a chance to begin with...Shin would still reject her to her great frustration weather she was dating or not dating nabuse..She was living in a dream and couldn't wake up .no matter how much she wanted shin …u can't always get what u want...That's life, she is a realist and needed to move on and I'm sure she had a sense of all this and I'm sure she wouldn't have confessed and kissed him if noe wasn't there ..aiko was there to be rejected and to lose(that was her purpose )but she was a fraid and didn't want to face it cuz she knew it was coming all along ..she didn't think that it was impossible for shin to love her that's why she went after him..as for sekai ..i know that she is a main character and that aiko is just a side character but they do have some similer things but they're different in many otherways..don't get me wrong ..both payed the price by not been honest with themselves ...yes ,she made mokoto fall in love with her BUT did he love her the same way she did cuz it seems like she was a sex tool for him and at the end he chose katanoha over her so she was unlucky ..i dunno i've seen many ppl comparing both girls ..sekia is hated by many ppl but i dunno why (i like her chracter and i felt for her more than katanoha at the end) same goes for aiko ..


as for the dad ..i agree with u thanb he does see hiromi's mum on her ...but he shouid've worked things out with his wife but i don't blame him...


jun was just trying to pull himself from his sister ..that's why he made go out with shin ..i guess



well you said you were looking on the bright side but why not try looking on a brighter side cuz i think for ai-chan that she is a very strong person that no matter hiw many obstacle she faced she can overcome and your right harem girls like ai-chan usually loses but that's that she lost to hiromi cuz shin didn't look at her as a woman and you can't blame him cuz they have been friends for so long so he thinks as ai-chan like his big sister but for sekia yes she was a sex tool but didn't you think she was more like of noe cuz she made makoto fall inlove with her even for a while just like noe did to shin but he still picked hiromi at the end


well you can't blame him if he dont love his wife anymore


well i think he saw that noe had a crush on shin and he wanted her to go out with sin that why he asked shin



i agree with u that she is very strong especially after her ' i'am moving on from u' but she was weak when it came to shin but she managed to not show how her pain for shin and was suppressing her feelings longer than heriomi did and she had many obstacles going on against her (hiormi,her friendship with shin ,nabuse)but u can't blame her for falling in love with shin (maybe he was like her best friend and she was like attached to him )and even if she made mistakes and hurted herself and nabuse ...she was a victim of love still the writers gave aiko mercy .nabuse gave her a chance and saved her .both sacrifised LIKE HELL for love and never stood a chance and aiko and nabuse showed us what is like to love cuz they were strong and were meant for eachother .as for sekai (poor girl)even though she made mokoto love her but used herself to get to him but that's because she loved him so much but still i hated mokoto so much ..he didn't deserve sekai or katanoha ...ur comparing noe to sekai ,..noe's love was pure but sekai's love was painful..

what make u think that he doesn't love his wife ?

jun asked shin to out with noe because he wanted to pull himself a way from his sister and he knew that she was crushing on shin ...
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I hate the ending. When Shin'ichiro walked away back to Hiromi, I was like WHAT???? No!!! I don't like Hiromi...She asked Noe to leave her and "her" Shin'ichiro alone... What the hell....I wish someone could rewrite the ending....
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I hate the ending. When Shin'ichiro walked away back to Hiromi, I was like WHAT???? No!!! I don't like Hiromi...She asked Noe to leave her and "her" Shin'ichiro alone... What the hell....I wish someone could rewrite the ending....


don't think that noe had a sad ending and if she had a choice i'm sure she'd pick her tears over shin ,so why r u noe fans deceiving urselves when it's obvoius who the winner was from the start .shin got hiromi,hiromi got shin and noe got her tears=PERFECT END ............
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well for the ending was very good.... shinitchiro pick the girl she loved most and thats hitori...

nuff said.... kinda feel bad for noe tho but i guess thats what makes a beautiful anime..



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the anime's ending was great but i prefer Noe....lol
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to be quite honest, i disliked the ending. i agree with what the first person said: "why didn't he choose the one who brought the best out of him?" noe was a big favorite of mine while watching it. her brother creeped me out a bit, sure, but i found her to be a delight. she was cute, funny, quirky, interesting, unique, and i thought her relationship with shinichiro was adorable and much too fitting. i found hiromi to be annoying, mean, and clingy, with no transformation whatsoever. i loved the anime, however, for the author's distinct illustration of what it means to be human, as demonstrated by each of the character's flaws or poorly made choices. they were all just a bunch of confused teenagers with either too narrow-minded a mindset or too indecisive a personality. a personal favorite couple of mine was the angsty combination of the initially one-sided relationship between aiko and miyokichi.

so to sum up, the ending shocked me when i realized that shinichiro was in fact not going to end up with noe as i had been rooting for the whole time, and as if the author knew that's what i was thinking, they left the last couple minutes of the episode for me to sadly watch the melancholy stance of noe who gazed far into the distance. sad sad.

(also, there were definite times when i just glared at my computer screen thinking how much of a BEEOTCH both the mother and hiromi were-- the mother to hiromi, and hiromi to noe.)

miyokichi and noe (as separate characters, not together) with a big <3
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