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The way, I seen things was this.

From all 'facts of events on the time line' All of the clues which conclude my theories was on my own.

I didn't discard Obito out of the picture. It just I needed Kishimoto to reveal more bout Zetsu extra ability.

In order words, Yes we learn from the battle of Minato & Danzou body guards that he has infused himself with Senju/Zetsu inside of him. Clue came to me, when he stated Danzou as an 'incomplete' unlike Tobi himself. Which he perform Izanagi on Konan.

And Tobi remind me of Piccolo. So I had an theory that maybe 'who' ever took Obito body infused him with Zetsu. That Zetsu is able to reform body part & maybe restore Obito left eye. But while having Senju/Zetsu. He was able to advance his MS Jutsu. Instead of Kakashi since he was an Non Uchiha, he was 'only' unlock an 'lower' I call it an ' Black Hole' yet with Tobi.

He was able to unlock it to another stage, which allow him to unlock Time Space Nin Jutsu. You all have to admit, Once Sasuke, Itachi, Madara unlock MS. They unlock 'rare' Jutsu. like Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi,Susanoo. Not to mention, Shisui's Koto Amatsukami.

In other words. Zetsu/Senju is like an 'cure' to Cancer. Or able to 'restore' light in someone who is blind. And able to regrow body parts.

So if this is true, then Kishimoto will explain it this way.

Unless, someone did an ' Soul Transfer Jutsu' on Obito. Like Orochomaru try to do on Sasuke. Which is why he look Obito to us, but someone elst is controlling his body.

But if this is true that someone transfer inside of Obito then it has to be someone elst that Madara know.
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I think if anyone discarded Tobi being Obito as a possibility, they were foolish. I'm not too sure Obito did get his eye back, otherwise he'd be using Kamui like Kakashi. I always considered Kamui as space-time ninjutsu ever since I was aware of the term. Kakashi said it himself: it sends whatever he is focusing on to another dimension. It's possible that the mysterious world Sasuke and Karin ended up in when tobi absorbed them contains part of Deidara's arm and has blast scars from an explosion. Tobi could be sending his body there to avoid injury, Naruto's clone might have gotten a glimpse of that place, which the real once will see/has seen.
Kamui is designed to send other things into another dimension from a long range, Obito's Ocular jutsu is point blank, and he can send himself to the dimension, or just parts of himself. Tobi can't use Susano'o because he lacks the eye. Face it, he would have used it if he had both of his MS eyes. Perhaps he couldn't use Sasuke's either because he's incompatible. He also seemed quite fine with discarding the eye in favour of a Rinnegan when the time was right. True, he could switch it for a different eye that's used for Izanagi but why use it when you can use a long-range space-time ninjutsu?
Zetsu is likely to be a key component to Tobi's body and appearance. Obito could still just be some kind of husk/component as well so it's still possible that it's not him.
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Ok so there are obviously going to be some plot holes here the entire flashback in this weeks chapter takes place BEFORE Kakashi Gaiden
BUT look at this pic
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Vejaske wrote:

Ok so there are obviously going to be some plot holes here the entire flashback in this weeks chapter takes place BEFORE Kakashi Gaiden
BUT look at this pic
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So following that we look back at kakashi gaiden





Notice the difference?
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Vejaske wrote:


Vejaske wrote:

Ok so there are obviously going to be some plot holes here the entire flashback in this weeks chapter takes place BEFORE Kakashi Gaiden
BUT look at this pic
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So following that we look back at kakashi gaiden





Notice the difference?


and following that we have the fact that kakashi gaiden is said to have taken place 10 years in the past...we have to assume this is 10 years before Naruto's birth because where the manga fits in is when Naruto is 13.5 years old and leaves to train with Jiraya and Kushina confirmed it was 16 years ago Naruto was born from the point after he returns.



So we can figure Kakashi/Obito's ages at roughly 17-24 when Naruto is born and 33-40 now if we assume they were 12-14ish when Kakashi Gaiden takes place so from this figure a 24 year old obito would have been likely able to do all of the things he did against the fourth.

I have never once supported it being Obito, but if you take time to think about it...it does add up
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Erm... I just think that was a drawing error on Kishi's part. Minato's not supposed to be on the hokage monument back then. Funny that you seem to the the first to notice.

I wasn't one to support the theory either, but neither did I ignore/shun it. Kishi's done so much now that we can't rule anything out.

Also, here's a request: can you please put large images like that in spoiler tags? That would save so much space on the page, and save us scrolling time.
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I remember the Minato on the Hokage Monument. It was another 'troll' part in his doing. Like did you notice the way Rin was acting watching Kakashi & how Obito was looking at her. Was the same as Sasukra was doing with Sasuke in his fights. While Naruto watch her watching him.

The only thing Kishi had done in his past is doing the 'age' issues. When it come to events in past which kills us in our research.

Vejaske, if u like to show us that Kishi added Minato face on the Hokage Monument. Did u see Suigetsu in the group xD
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Erm... I just think that was a drawing error on Kishi's part. Minato's not supposed to be on the hokage monument back then. Funny that you seem to the the first to notice.

I wasn't one to support the theory either, but neither did I ignore/shun it. Kishi's done so much now that we can't rule anything out.

Also, here's a request: can you please put large images like that in spoiler tags? That would save so much space on the page, and save us scrolling time.


Sorry bout that will do next time.
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I remember the Minato on the Hokage Monument. It was another 'troll' part in his doing. Like did you notice the way Rin was acting watching Kakashi & how Obito was looking at her. Was the same as Sasukra was doing with Sasuke in his fights. While Naruto watch her watching him.

The only thing Kishi had done in his past is doing the 'age' issues. When it come to events in past which kills us in our research.

Vejaske, if u like to show us that Kishi added Minato face on the Hokage Monument. Did u see Suigetsu in the group xD


Went back and looked that is really odd considering he is from the mist village.....
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Vejaske wrote:


DarkOne wrote:


I remember the Minato on the Hokage Monument. It was another 'troll' part in his doing. Like did you notice the way Rin was acting watching Kakashi & how Obito was looking at her. Was the same as Sasukra was doing with Sasuke in his fights. While Naruto watch her watching him.

The only thing Kishi had done in his past is doing the 'age' issues. When it come to events in past which kills us in our research.

Vejaske, if u like to show us that Kishi added Minato face on the Hokage Monument. Did u see Suigetsu in the group xD


Went back and looked that is really odd considering he is from the mist village.....


Ya, if you read the manga. Kishi has trolled an few times. That not alot knew bout. Ya, Suigetsu was state to be from the Mist That like Orochimaru issue. When the 3rd Hokage found out bout his 'experiments' he went to his hide out. 1 page. Orochimaru has the leaf head band, the other page, he doesn't xD

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I dont know about yall but since Konan almost kill this Tobi guy I lost some respect on him. And now that we know who he is, its like he is just some weakling out for revange. He coulnt surpass Minato, Kakashi is still smarter than him. Naruto is going to kick some ass. His lucky Naruto doesnt have the thunder god tech. Whatever happen to Obito kishii has some major explanation to give us for all this !
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INCORRECTION xD


If this is true, then those who still think Obito is Tobi is going to be hating soon
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that would be so crazy, that would mean Obito and Izuna look alot alike
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well I've been saying it was Izuna for a long time, the whole obito thing doesn't make sense. It makes much more sense for it to be Izuna....guess we find out tomorrow.
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chapter is out
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