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I say Naruse is wrong. He should just kill Serizawa.. and not killing unrelated people, just to make Serizawa suffer. Yes, he got his objective of making him suffer, but it was wrong because all those people did not at fault at all... plus, the killing of Hideo was a pure accident, afterall...

I think Naruse can't face reality. He can't bear living alone.. that's why he blamed Serizawa for his misery. I think Naruse trully is punishing himself. He refused to move on, refused to love, refused to fight under the spotlight. I didn't know, does Naruse actually knows that Serizawa did it on accident?? Or did Naruse really think Serizawa was trully evil??? It was accident!! And Naruse didn't know that, he believe it was a fake scenario, made up by a rich family as an escape!! Or at least that's what I want to believe... because if normal people know that it was accident and STILL went on revenge (the over-did revenge too, killing innocent people..) then he is twisted.

I don't believe that people should do such evil as what Naruse Ryo did... I still think Ryo is twisted, and coward, and sly, and wrong.

But then!! He's indeed have a heart!! He cried when his nee-chan protected him as said that he gave her strength to live, he almost abort his revenge when he thought maybe he can be a good guy as Shiori obviously has feelings for him.... So, people. I don't know what kind of character Manaka Tomoo was.. He's so absurd I can't understand him!

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YES... Toomo's actions are wrong... hope he will stop killing n live with Shiori happily ever after... lol... *daydreaming...*
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It's morally wrong
But to deeper extend, the loss of people that we love dearly (plus in Ryo's case, his brother and mother being his only relatives) had done him a (perhaps) unrepairable damage. Now I'm not saying that I support 'a life for a life' theory but there are some things that cant be forgiven

But then again, as I said, he is wrong, but I support him 200% in this story, so I just cant say yes or no.
Posted 9/8/08

fathskie wrote:

I say Naruse is wrong. He should just kill Serizawa.. and not killing unrelated people, just to make Serizawa suffer. Yes, he got his objective of making him suffer, but it was wrong because all those people did not at fault at all... plus, the killing of Hideo was a pure accident, afterall...

I think Naruse can't face reality. He can't bear living alone.. that's why he blamed Serizawa for his misery. I think Naruse trully is punishing himself. He refused to move on, refused to love, refused to fight under the spotlight. I didn't know, does Naruse actually knows that Serizawa did it on accident?? Or did Naruse really think Serizawa was trully evil??? It was accident!! And Naruse didn't know that, he believe it was a fake scenario, made up by a rich family as an escape!! Or at least that's what I want to believe... because if normal people know that it was accident and STILL went on revenge (the over-did revenge too, killing innocent people..) then he is twisted.

I don't believe that people should do such evil as what Naruse Ryo did... I still think Ryo is twisted, and coward, and sly, and wrong.

But then!! He's indeed have a heart!! He cried when his nee-chan protected him as said that he gave her strength to live, he almost abort his revenge when he thought maybe he can be a good guy as Shiori obviously has feelings for him.... So, people. I don't know what kind of character Manaka Tomoo was.. He's so absurd I can't understand him!



Yes, Naruse/Tomoo is wrong. I'm absolutely agree~! he should just kill naoto straight away since naoto was the only one who was holding the knife. he wastes his time killing those who're related to naoto, don't you think?

I'm sure he doesn't know that Naoto didi it accidentally. But if he did know, he just wants to take revenge on him since Naoto was seems like a bad boy 11 years ago.

Yes~! he indeed IS twisted, coward, sly and wrong. Why would he killed Kumada-sensei at the first place anyways? He doesn't hurt the Naruse/Manaka family. Why does he have to be killed?

Again yes, I agree~! Ryo/Tomoo did have a heart but not to Naoto. I feel so bad for him, you know. He went on revenge with wrong evidence (he thought Naoto did kill Hideo on purpose).

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Posted 9/8/08
true he might be wrong but it all the fault of his past
he chose this path after consideration
i think he had thought thing through before he even walk this path
but can we blame him for walking this path after losing everything
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He killed Kumada because Kumada helped him get off the case years ago. Naruse is killing everyone who helped Naoto get off, even though I can't work out why he killed Yosuke and Souda, but not Kasai. (Unless he will but I doubt it. I think it's because Kasai is more 'good' like I know he cheated but Yosuke did the debt collecting, etc) He killed Ikehata because Ikehata knew too much about everything. But he probably wanted to do all this to Naoto so he could feel what it's like.
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So all of you guys are saying that Ryo is wrong, blah blah blah...for me, I can't really say if he's right or wrong, because if he's wrong, then who's right? Is it right for Naoto to pretend to stab Hideo but actually punch him and then accidentally kill him? Is it right for Naoto's father to plead self-defense for his son so that he won't lose his place in society? Is it right for Souda to blackmail his friend from middle school after finding out that Kasai was betraying his boss by having an affair with his wife? I think if Ryo is wrong, then so is everyone else in the dorama. The only person I would think is closest to right is Shiori. She did the right thing by testifying on Hideo's behalf and is the one that tries her hardest to stop Ryo. Other than her, everyone else is "wrong".

By the way, Kumano was the lawyer that represented Naoto and helped him get a not-guilty verdict by pleading self-defense. That's why Ryo targeted him.
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i think Ryo is killing all ppl dat related to the case. like Kumada-sensei, yup..he's the one who come up wif whatever self defense (sorry cldn't remember ) and Ikehata is the one who wrote abt the case in newspaper n he twisted the truth. he wrote it based on what Naoto's father asked him to. Yousuke , Souda and Kasai were the witnesses. and Kasai did say dat he was forced to lie juz to save Naoto n he had carrying the guilt since then. (when he was arguing wif kasai). i think Kumada n Eisaku asked the 3 boys to lie to save Naoto. i'm not really sure about Noriyoshi. his pict was on the wall also...but i didn't see the connection yet, only dat he's Serizawa's family.

i found tis quite amusing...for Ryo to be able to manipulate other ppl to kill his targets, actually the targets weren't dat good. imagine if kumada was a real good lawyer n no one held any grudge against him except Ryo, it would be hard for ryo to pull any string cuz there weren't any. the same goes to Yousuke, well, he's not dat bad....but he did threaten the mother to hurt Sora-chan. and Kasai...he committed adultery..what else can i say...those ppl actually had bad side of 'em and Ryo uses dat to work on his brilliant plan....way to go Ryo

erm...but killing is juz wrong....
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Posted 9/8/08
Its WRONG<<
he indirectly killed the people.. even if he didnt actually kill them
he still intended too and planned all this revenge plan out
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Posted 9/8/08
I agree, everyone in the drama seems to have a bad side (except Shiori, but that's how she's meant to be portrayed - like an angel, compared to 'the Devil') but that's what makes them humane. I think Naruse is wrong, but I don't think anyone else is right
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This is my personal opinion in this matter. I think that even if it was an accident, Naoto should have apologized to Tomoo and his mother after the incident. But, I didn't see him doing that. Frankly, its because he himself didn't want to admit to his mistake which cause this problem in the first place. I think that was his biggest mistake. He tried to be the good detective because of this guilt. However, even up till now, he didn't admit that it was his wrongdoing since he was trying to forget about it. He only realized his mistake once his family was being targeted because of his past wrongdoing. It took him that long to realize that. Since for the first time of his life, he realized what its like to lose a loved one.

On the other hand, I do believe Naruse is wrong. But I really do feel pity for him since many well-to-off families get off such petty crimes such as this one. However, I do not agree that murder is the solution even if the family he is targeting are all pretty screwed up anyway. One can say that it was Naoto's family's fault since they seem to destroyed each other with their greed. But, murder will not solve anything.

So, I dont agree with either Serizawa or Tomoo. Both of them are sinful people. I just like Naruse's characterization better.
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Posted 9/8/08
it's hard to justify who's ryte or wrong.

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Posted 9/8/08
i think he's wrong but i can't blame for doing those things...
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I can't say yes it's wrong or not. Since the decision to take differ from person to person. The moral value that each individual make things take different paths.

Meanwhile one person think eye for eye, tooth for tooth revenge is the correct decision. Others may say, I can just forgive and continue with my life. Others just die with the anguish that is devouring and others try to fight back in those circumstances and don't let the time pass.

But since this is a drama xD.. I want Ryo to survive. Ohno does a great job acting this role. He can actually made me feel as I was the character.
Posted 9/9/08
um...I can't judge it's wrong or not
bcoz everybody love their family...right?
if brother was killed by someone
the person who lost his family will angry as normal
naruse also....(intend or not I think he didn't think about that much but he thinks only he lost his brother)

and if be yourself? u will not angry? and forgive that person easily?
Can u forgive who killed the person who u love...easily?
Please ask yourself? and answer it in your mind with frankly

I don't in Naruse side...but I just think about reality

Yes! he is wrong to judge with killing many people but cause is he lost brother
and his mother(bcoz she can't bear with the death of her son so she stoped breath) by Naoto
he isn't intend to be the devil


And about Naoto
he was wrong at the first that abuse his friend...
if he didn't do that...his friend will not dead
if he just took his friend to hospital...his friend will not dead
if he was really not intend to do....y don't he hold his friend and took to the hospital?
if he brave to accept what he did at the first....I will call that he is really not intend and he is contrite
if he brave to accept and go to jail at first.....I will call that he is manliness.

after that he is just contrite and try to be a good man but I think it's too late and the sin can't wash out...
the fact that he was killed his friend still with him forever....in fact in his mind still in hell bcoz his guilty

but at least he can contrite and try to be a good one
(I admire him in this case)

I believe in retribution
who do good will got the good thing back soon or later but will exactly got it
and who do bad will got the bad effect from what that person did.....soon or later....exactly got it.

conclusion
both Naruse and Naoto are wrong in them ways
and both are correct in them ways too
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